Official Annual Pre-Deadline Trade "Ideas" Thread

[TMU]

red96, your thread got locked so let's move the discussion here. You should also re-post your proposal in this thread.

Re:
Have you thought about what we should do with Ben Gordon? You mentioned that he should be getting his salary + 2m but to me it's not clear what your suggestion is.

An extension to Artest, an extension to Gordon, then you have Hinrich's 3 year contract, and with the possibility that the salary cap will go down in the subsequent years, that means this team will have very little money to resign Yao. This counters Morey's intention to resign Yao for a long term.

[Yao21]

I still think Artest and Alston to Chicago for Hinrich and Grey/Noah would be a great trade because it's mutually beneficial. There's no way we'll ever have a shot at the championship with Alston at the point - he's a poor shooter and just an inconsistent player overall. And Artest, there's no guarantee that he will stay after this year and he doesn't seem to be fitting in well with us anyway. In return, we get a solid PG in Hinrich who's a better shooter, defender, pace setter, and an overall better PG than Alston. Hinrich is the type of player that you could picture helping your team to a championship. Plus, we also get Grey or Noah, both excellent solid centers, and either could help fill our void at the back up center position (because let's be honest, Mutombo is way too old and Adelman doesn't use him).

This is also really good trade for Chicago. They are already stacked at the guard positions but Alston is a professional/veteran, and he will contribute solid minutes regardless and maybe even show Rose a few tricks or two. The real jewel in this trade for Chicago is Artest. The Bulls were one of the toughest teams in the league in a couple years ago but somewhere along the way, they lost their mojo. Artest could help bring their toughness back and he's a good player in general. He would also be more inclined to resign in a bigger market like Chicago.

This is just a great trade for both teams who are in need of a shake up. No frits and frizzles.

[LHead2]

Ask any Rockets' fan what the major missing position on our roster is, and they'll usually tell you Point Guard. So why the hell is everyone posting trades for Vince or Amar'e or Butler? There are point guards in the NBA, who are acquirable with what the Rockets have, and are starting material.
Point Guards possibly being shopped, mostly for expiring contracts:
Baron Davis
Steve Nash (unlikely, but possible if the Suns want expirings)
Kirk Hinrich
T.J. Ford

The Clippers offered Baron Davis for Jason Kidd, for example. The Clippers were not concerned with Kidd's skill, only his expiring contract. So...
Artest/Alston for Davis/(DeAndre Jordan) might be a possibility, but is Davis' contract too much for the Rockets to bear? Probably.

Much less likely with the firing of Terry Porter, but Nash seems like he wants out of Phoenix. Probably wouldn't mix well with Yao though, despite their charitable cooperations.
Artest/Alston/(Brooks and/or Landry) for Nash/Tucker/Lopez

Hinrich might be a nice fit. Decent defender, can shoot the ball well, high IQ player. Might not have to give up Artest, but he's one possibility.
Artest/Landry?/Head for Hinrich/Sefolosha?/Gray, might be giving too much, but it fits.

Landry/Alston/Head for Ford/Hibbert; Ford seems to be having trouble getting a regular place in the line-up, but a good mid-range shooter and consistent finisher would be a major gain for the Rockets. Unlikely, but substitute Artest for Landry/Alston? Indianapolis probably doesn't want the Tru Warier back thouth.

Unfortunately, most of these would just add injury to injury, but a few could really turn the Rockets into contenders. Consistency is the most lacking part, and the injuries are not the only cause. PG play has been incredibly inconsistent, but the above players would bring a more solid presence.

EDIT: Yes, I know this is my "first" post. I probably have posted before, but I forgot my old account on account of having been away for a long while. Don't just dismiss me for being a ball boy.

[TMACFORMVP]

EDIT: Yes, I know this is my "first" post. I probably have posted before, but I forgot my old account on account of having been away for a long while. Don't just dismiss me for being a ball boy.

And you chose your new SN to be LHead2 But who am I to talk, lol.

As for your post, I'd agree with the options you listed at PG. I think Nash is too unrealistic, especially with his improved play as of late, and the firing of Porter. Ford, I'm not too much a fan of, would much rather go after Andre Miller if the choice was between the two. And in the Ford deal, I highly doubt we could get Hibbert in that deal, considering how highly the rate him. Baron is likely the best option in terms of being able to get and actual talent coming back, but his contract is awful, and presents many of the same problems T-Mac brings to this team; injuries, inefficient shooting, and chucking, but Baron has a much worse contract. I don't think he's the type to take us over the top to take on a contract of his magnitude.

Hinrich is nice, but I think why so many people are enamored by the bigger names like Carter/Amare is because, despite Hinrich filling in more a need, I don't think there's any doubt those bigger names have a bigger impact on the game, and the overall decision whether you win or lose. Like in a playoff series, are you more afraid of Carter/Yao or Hinrich/Yao? And Hinrich also has a rather large contract, and hasn't been the player he was two years ago with his own injury problems and erratic shooting. I'd agree though, that Hinrich from 2-3 years back would arguably be after Billups the best fit on this team.

[red96]

How about T-Mac for B-Diddy + Camby and Ron+ Landry+ Head for V.Carter. It works on the trade checker.

Baron, Alston, Brooks
Carter, Von Wafer
Battier, VonWafer/Barry
Camby/Scola,Hayes
Yao, Camby, Deke

Whatcha think? We just kill all plans for 2010 though.

[TMU]

How about T-Mac for B-Diddy + Camby and Ron+ Landry+ Head for V.Carter. It works on the trade checker.

Baron, Alston, Brooks
Carter, Von Wafer
Battier, VonWafer/Barry
Camby/Scola,Hayes
Yao, Camby, Deke

Whatcha think? We just kill all plans for 2010 though.

I hate Baron's contract but a package of Baron Davis + Marcus Camby for Tracy will be too good to be true. I haven't done any calculations but I doubt that we'll have enough cap space for Yao's extension.

[red96]

In 2010 we will only have Baron($13,050,000), Carter($17,300,00), and Battier($7,354,500) on guaranted contracts. Hayes($2,301,250), Brooks($1,680,576), and Dorsey($946,300) are team options. In 2010 we have $37,704,500 guaranted total for Vince, Battier, and Shane. Add the team options and its $42,632,626. I think Yao would sign for a starting salery of around $18,500,000(I hope). That would be a total of $61,132,626 in 2010 (if Yao signs for salery mentioned)with this roster:
Baron, Brooks
Carter
Battier
Hayes/Dorsey
Yao, Dorsey???

Our needs would be: starting PF, and backup SG,SF, and maybe C if Dorsey doent develop.
I dont know what if Yao would sign for this amount or what the cap will be in 2010. But I dont think Yao would try to break the bank if we have a chance to win. And Carter is off the books after the 2010 season(team option). Thoughts???

[LHead2]

Assuming that's the lineup we stayed with for the next couple of years, we might have enough cap space to go after someone like Carmelo Anthony or Rudy Gay, both of whom I believe have expiring contracts in 2011. Too many people are talking 2010, but a real team could be built the following year.
The Clippers are starting to look like they'll do anything to be rid of B-Diddy's contract, and they did essentially get Camby for the right to exchange 2nd rd picks and some luxury tax relief. They'll throw him away just as quickly. An effective passing big man with an eye for blocking shots is exactly what Yao needs on the other side of the post.
That trade would keep us in "competition" for the next couple of years, and would be an attractor for a free agent. If I'm Morey, I'd consider those factors, but I have my doubts about his willingness to revolutionize the team.

EDIT: And yes, my SN is rather ironic. I became a fan of Luther a couple years ago, where he performed well in the clutch for a few games. It's probably my fault for believing in him that he's what he is now.

[red96]

^ Exactly. I not in favor for waitng until 2010 to compete(unless we have no choice). I see it just as risky as my trade proposal if not more.
In 2010:
1. We will have to hope we can get another superstar.
2. Hope he can play well and blend with Yao(Yao will be back)
2. Find a new starting PG, SG, and PF since Alston and Scola will be off the books. And Ron will more than likely be long gone by this time.
3. Find new backup SG, SF, and C.
4. And then all these new players will have to learn their roles, gain chemistry, and learn Adelman's motion offence(which may take atleast a couple seasons or more).
5. And hope Hope Yao's 7'6 stature holds up within all this time.

Alot of people see us contending in 2010. I see us contending in the earliest in 2011 or the 2012 season(for reasons stated above). I dont think Yao will be Yao by then. I think Yao has 4-5 years left including this year(with his history and the history of player at his size). Some of the open positions in 2010 could be filled with our own players just off thier last contracts(like Scola). It would make things a little better. But it still will be a very big transision for the team with all of the other new players.

[RaoulDuke79]

I sent Fran a question on his live chat and he hasn't answered it yet, and I am sad. I guess asking if he'd pet my vagina wasn't really a high priority question on his list.

[moofs]

Not too odd of a reaction from a guy named Fran.