Petrie's Plan

[SacTown Kings]

No that 56 million does NOT include Diogu, McCants, and Simmons so you cannot subtract those figures. Add it up by hand or calculator, I have done so 3 times. You can subtract SAR's 6.6 and 4.2 of Moore;s but that's it. So we are roughly 45-46 million and we will be over 50 million once we sign our draft picks. And if we re-sign give McCants the qualifing offer then you can add another 3.4 million to that.

[Nicky Nix Nook]

we better not sign mccants

[SacTown Kings]

Also if we let everyone walk then we only have 10 players and that is including our two 1st round picks, so we are going to have to spend more money to fill out the roster. I just do not see any possible way we will be able to add anyone of significance. Unless we make a trade this offseason this is pretty much our team next year

[SacTown Kings]

If we would have done the Marion/Banks deal then we would be more like 42 million, which would of given us a chance to maybe go after someone. Just one of the many reason why Marion/Banks would of been better than Gooden/Noci.

[SacKingZZZ]

Then again as Mitch brought up, with possible firesales (originally alluded to by Mark Cuban with his "Nuclear winter" comment) it might be the perfect time to make a huge trade. We can offer young talent, Kenny's expiring, draft picks, and cap space. I said before that would hurt us pretty bad but I think we just added a long term piece in Nocioni so we have less holes to fill if we were to make a trade and since the market might be there we might be able to give far less of that young talent away as you would expect.

Hmmmm....if there is an NBA to come back to after the summer this could be quite interesting.

[deNIEd]

A while back, I read a book about a guy talking about a friend he had that was some famous NY artist. So one day, the author went over to his friends so the two could go get lunch. Right before they left, the painter said to the author "wanna see me make 50k?", he then proceeded to take a couple buckets of paint and splatter it onto a blank canvas, and replied "there, I can see that for 50k without any problem." Point being, once you build a reputation, people don't really question it.

I'm still uncertain about Petrie. I'm not sure if he actually has a plan or not. I'm sure that everyone here believes that Petrie knows exactly what he's doing, he has a vision for the team, and everything is working perfectly in his little world. But what if he doesn't? What if he really has no idea what's going on or what he is going to do with the team, but simply is living off his name?

I know that Petrie is great, or at least was great...but at what point do we draw the line? At what point do we say, "your plan has still not produced anything at all, your time is done" 1 season? 2, 3, 5, 7 seasons? At what point do you say enough is enough.

[darkadun]

I agree to a certain extent denied, but its not as easy as you should do this or that. There are alot of factors that play into being a GM, and sometimes luck is one of them.

Unfortunately luck did not help us. We are still feeling the affects of Webber's contract. When Webber was given that huge contract, we had many good years ahead of us, but his injury changed all that and we stopped being a legit contender. Even though he was traded, we are still feeling the affects of his contract, namely in KT's contract. That is really Webbers money that were still paying on. That and other things have limited us.

So, I just think Petrie has not had a ton of options, and one thing he does not do is make rash decisions, which I tend to agree with.

[KF10]

I think it is fair to be really critical on Petrie in this offseason. If everything goes in "plan", there shouldn't be no reason why we would call for his head. BUT if it doesn't, I think it would be really fair to start going against him gradually. This offseason should be the turning point of our team's future IMO. Can we have a realistic bright future? Or a future barring deficiencies? There is alot of time from here and out. A lot of factors is involved and I can't claim or say something with a definite judgment.

[dozencousins]

BOTH KIE & MITCH are correct here

A. I heard the cap will go down next year by quit a bit because of the economy hurting more than half of the leauge i believe 17 teams borrowing almost 12 million each from the leauge !

B. MITCH is spot on that many teams that are over the cap by alot will be looking to dump major players ala TYSON CHANDLER was going to be dealt by NEW ORLEANS because of economic reasons & financial difficulties . If PETRIE can work his magic getting more salary slashed from our payroll (meaning guys who dont fit into the KINGS future plans ) then we can go after big name players or aquire other teams big name players for next to nothing as they will be desperate to unload big contracts due to the economy !

The last thing the organization needs to do & fast is reduce ticket prices to bring the fans back & have more promotions that are economic friendly we all know the arena with the exception of C-WEBBS & likely VLADE'S retiring of their jerseys were only about 60% full at best !

[SacKingZZZ]

What they need to do is promote a team that will actually feature guys that will BE HERE longer than 6 months. Maybe we are heading that way.

[longfellow44]

I came up with about 41 using this years salaries and I didn't include POB for some reason I thought he went to toronto. With next years salaries we will be at 45 million before the draft and at about 50 million after it leaving us with little better than midlevel money.

What we need to do is to move one of garcia, noccioni, or udrih we simply can't sustain paying so many mediocre players 5 mil plus. I vote to keep garcia and noccioni for now. Ship udrih to another team for a useful longterm contract thats a smaller total number.

[pillwenney]

I came up with about 41 using this years salaries and I didn't include POB for some reason I thought he went to toronto. With next years salaries we will be at 45 million before the draft and at about 50 million after it leaving us with little better than midlevel money.

What we need to do is to move one of garcia, noccioni, or udrih we simply can't sustain paying so many mediocre players 5 mil plus. I vote to keep garcia and noccioni for now. Ship udrih to another team for a useful longterm contract thats a smaller total number.

Yup, that's what I got too. STK, are you sure you're not counting SAR's salary?

As for who to move, obviously, no one for a little while at least. Eventually, for me, it will just kind of depend on who increases their value quickly enough to be movable.

[SacTown Kings]

I came up with about 41 using this years salaries and I didn't include POB for some reason I thought he went to toronto. With next years salaries we will be at 45 million before the draft and at about 50 million after it leaving us with little better than midlevel money.

What we need to do is to move one of garcia, noccioni, or udrih we simply can't sustain paying so many mediocre players 5 mil plus. I vote to keep garcia and noccioni for now. Ship udrih to another team for a useful longterm contract thats a smaller total number.

Yup, that's what I got too. STK, are you sure you're not counting SAR's salary?

As for who to move, obviously, no one for a little while at least. Eventually, for me, it will just kind of depend on who increases their value quickly enough to be movable.

Check it out:

Martin = 10,180,170
Nocioni = 7,500,000 (17,680,170)
Thomas = 8,553,125 (26,233,295)
Beno = 6,077,500 (32,310,795)
Moore = 2,000,000 (34,310,795)
Hawes = 2,332,800 (36,643,595)
Garcia = 5,800,000 (42,443,595)
Thompson = 2,035,920 (44,479,515)
Greene = 870,000 (45,349,515)

That's over 45 million and only 9 players signed. We will probably take up 3 to 4 million more with the 2 draft picks and we will still be at only 11 players.

[deNIEd]

It'll be more. Everyone is hoping we get the 1st round pick, well the starting salary for the 1st overall (in 08-09) was 4.8 mil.

[SacTown Kings]

^ Yea I was jus guessing later I went and looked it up and found out it was closer to 5 million for the #1 pick and about 1 million give or take for the 25th pick.

[pillwenney]

I came up with about 41 using this years salaries and I didn't include POB for some reason I thought he went to toronto. With next years salaries we will be at 45 million before the draft and at about 50 million after it leaving us with little better than midlevel money.

What we need to do is to move one of garcia, noccioni, or udrih we simply can't sustain paying so many mediocre players 5 mil plus. I vote to keep garcia and noccioni for now. Ship udrih to another team for a useful longterm contract thats a smaller total number.

Yup, that's what I got too. STK, are you sure you're not counting SAR's salary?

As for who to move, obviously, no one for a little while at least. Eventually, for me, it will just kind of depend on who increases their value quickly enough to be movable.

Check it out:

Martin = 10,180,170
Nocioni = 7,500,000 (17,680,170)
Thomas = 8,553,125 (26,233,295)
Beno = 6,077,500 (32,310,795)
Moore = 2,000,000 (34,310,795)
Hawes = 2,332,800 (36,643,595)
Garcia = 5,800,000 (42,443,595)
Thompson = 2,035,920 (44,479,515)
Greene = 870,000 (45,349,515)

That's over 45 million and only 9 players signed. We will probably take up 3 to 4 million more with the 2 draft picks and we will still be at only 11 players.

Yeah. In the last post, you said you had counted $49.5 before the draft picks. That's what I was arguing.