Kings @ Mavs - Feb. 21

[10B10]

Skater dude, I absolutely agree with you and so do many kings fans. The problem is too many positive kings fans that accept mediority. Me and you both understand that playoffs and championships are not made through players like noci, beno, and garcia, but from players deserving of there salary. Just understand skater that there are fans that do agree with you and are done accepting crappy players as starters. there is a reason arco is empty, and its not because we are rebuilding, but because we are rebuilding wrong and seem to have no plan. We want better from our GM and we are not bad fans for wanting that. I am personally never going to jump ship, and its an insult to think I will. I just want the best for the team I love, and that is absolutely not happening. Nite.

That's fine - and debating the deal that was made last week has been done sufficiently. You guys don't like it. Ok, if you truly want what is best for this team, then use this space to discuss the situation we are currently in. There's no going back and we can point blame for bad deals at whoever we want but at the end of the day, I doubt Petrie or the Maloofs are going anywhere. What can be done with the roster AS IS right now?

When I look back at it, who did we honestly believe would come to Sacramento without a trade of some kind. With virtually every team looking to have cap space in 2010, I don't think its Nocioni thats standing in the way of what you coin as "our 2010 FA plan."

[KingInExile]

The problem wasn't that Salmons wasn't worth more than pure expirings--he was. But Brad wasn't (the market decided), and because of that we had to take what was essentially a downgrade from Salmons to Nocioni.

It only helps our 2009 FA plans, and in 2010, assuming we were assuming Salmons was going to stay in his contract (which we should, because relying on him opting about would be a stupid risk) the difference between Nocioni and Salmons is a whopping $1million. And we're not going to be able to attract a big time FA anyway. If we do, it'll almost certainly be a S&T.

This is the point that seems to get lost in the hyper-emotional rants that keep getting posted to bash the trade. Moving Miller was an absolute necessity to clear his salary and to make room for Hawes. However Miller's value was so low that Salmons had to be attached to him to get teams to bite. Sure, Petrie probably could have moved Salmons for Bass and Stackhouse (as someone pointed out earlier as an option) and gotten "better value" for Salmons. But if that deal was done there is a 100% likelihood that Miller would still be on the roster...and we would be hearing those same people crying about how Petrie didn't do enough to move Miller (and how Miller is taking up Hawes' minutes).

Rebuilding is like a sewage treatment plant. What goes into it really stinks and is not something people really like to be around; the process is slow and pretty ugly to look at. But, if done right, you can turn **** into crisp, clean water.

[a-rod]

And let me say, not only is he not worth the contract, his contract is keeping us from getting a max FA in 09 or 10.

No, being in Sacramento is keeping us from getting a max FA in 09 and 10.

I disagree, granted it is difficult for certain small markets teams to attract big talent, but there are many important elements that can come into play that are being overlooked, for example to attract big free agent you're going to have to have good players here and they're going to have to show & they have prove that they can win without the big free agent. anyway both big & small market teams has max money to spend on FAs, but I’m pretty sure it will come down to money, and having the best chance to win.

as for the kings, i think we have a very solid core of potential stars & great role players & 1 future lottery pick , it allow us to attract a big time FA's.

[boffacheerios]

Another reason why I hate Nocioni...he takes away playing time from Donte Greene.

IT'S BEEN ONE GAME!

[Nicky Nix Nook]

If you don't like what the Kings are doing, then jump off ship and swim to over to the Lakers if you like. People seem to think we can turn Miller/Salmons in to Micheal Jordan and they're surprised when it doesn't happen. No wonder this country is so freakin' screwed.

Ya the economy is in the sh***er because of Kings Fans!!!!!

[pillwenney]

And let me say, not only is he not worth the contract, his contract is keeping us from getting a max FA in 09 or 10.

No, being in Sacramento is keeping us from getting a max FA in 09 and 10.

I disagree, granted it is difficult for certain small markets teams to attract big talent, but there are many important elements that can come into play that are being overlooked, for example to attract big free agent you're going to have to have good players here and they're going to have to show & they have prove that they can win without the big free agent. anyway both big & small market teams has max money to spend on FAs, but I’m pretty sure it will come down to money, and having the best chance to win.

as for the kings, i think we have a very solid core of potential stars & great role players & 1 future lottery pick , it allow us to attract a big time FA's.

I was more referring to the fact that it's nearly impossible to just outright sign a max FA away from almost any team--or even in a S&T. You either have to overpay like crazy (see: Lewis, Rashard), or there has to be some very unusual circumstances.