The Kings Financial Report + Plans for 2009-2010~

[deNIEd]

Stop thinking that we will get the number 1 pick overall....you're just setting us up for disappointment.

How many years has it been since the worst record actually received the top pick?
There is a 75% chance that we WONT be getting the first overall pick.


Plan for the worst, hope for the best.

[KM44]

Denied is completely correct. 75% of losing is how you have to look at this.

As for Smills, Harden flat out can't play the 1. Give up, no one other than you wants harden to be a king. And there is no way on earth the kings pay Villanueva to start for half of the year until he underachieves and gets benched in favor of thompson.

Then Murray, oh boy. You are wrong in so many different ways. You're like a kings fan version of zakmc, which isn't a good thing.

Garcia's contract isn't our biggest problem. He is on our team to be a role player, not start at the 3 next to martin. He's a Hedo type of player for us. He isn't grossly overpaid like other players on our team. The biggest issue is Nocioni right now, because I hate to say it, but we're stuck with beno through thick and thin. So what's going to have to happen is us giving away Nocioni or Thomas in a yard sale so we can get Williams, not Garcia.

I do like your excitement for Williams, but it has to be done with reason and logic, not just pouting and obsession. K, so now im going on to your beane metaphor. Not only did it contradict itself and make 0 sense, but it in no way personified how beane has GM'd the A's.

Beane loves role playing guys like Garcia, just look at Mark Ellis, who is practically Garcia at 2nd base. He hasn't lived up to his potential at all, and he has underachieved, but he just got a huge extension. Same thing goes with Eric Chavez, he got like 6 years despite never hitting over 34 HR in a season.

These are moves almost identical to stuff that Petrie has done, and I need to point out two more things. The first: by saying Beane should be like Petrie, you're saying that we shouldn't sign Williams, because Beane has never signed any bigtime FA in all of his years. The second is the most important. I'll let you tell me what it is- how many championships has Beane won?

[murray]

Denied is completely correct. 75% of losing is how you have to look at this.

As for Smills, Harden flat out can't play the 1. Give up, no one other than you wants harden to be a king. And there is no way on earth the kings pay Villanueva to start for half of the year until he underachieves and gets benched in favor of thompson.

Then Murray, oh boy. You are wrong in so many different ways. You're like a kings fan version of zakmc, which isn't a good thing.

Garcia's contract isn't our biggest problem. He is on our team to be a role player, not start at the 3 next to martin. He's a Hedo type of player for us. He isn't grossly overpaid like other players on our team. The biggest issue is Nocioni right now, because I hate to say it, but we're stuck with beno through thick and thin. So what's going to have to happen is us giving away Nocioni or Thomas in a yard sale so we can get Williams, not Garcia.

I do like your excitement for Williams, but it has to be done with reason and logic, not just pouting and obsession. K, so now im going on to your beane metaphor. Not only did it contradict itself and make 0 sense, but it in no way personified how beane has GM'd the A's.

Beane loves role playing guys like Garcia, just look at Mark Ellis, who is practically Garcia at 2nd base. He hasn't lived up to his potential at all, and he has underachieved, but he just got a huge extension. Same thing goes with Eric Chavez, he got like 6 years despite never hitting over 34 HR in a season.

These are moves almost identical to stuff that Petrie has done, and I need to point out two more things. The first: by saying Beane should be like Petrie, you're saying that we shouldn't sign Williams, because Beane has never signed any bigtime FA in all of his years. The second is the most important. I'll let you tell me what it is- how many championships has Beane won?

Dude are you serious? U compared Garcia to Chavez? Chavez was a allstar and gold glove. Garcia avg 11 points a game and wouldn't start on any other team. Big difference there. 2nd, last time I checked there is no salary cap in baseball to make things fair. If the kings could only spend a fourth to a third as other teams in the NBA thats what the A's go through. I think u miss the point about young inexpensive talent being vital.

Also Hedo compared to Garcia really? Hedo is a completely different player. One who is big enough to play the 3 and 4, and skilled enough to play 1,2,3, or 4. Hedo is a borderline allstar. Garcia is a borderline rotational player.

And last I never said Garcias contract is the worst on the team. I prefer his over Beno and Noci. All three are symbols of us screwing up IMO.

Come on man stop taking this stuff personally. I would love more than anything having Marvin playing the 3, but in the last 10 months we have screwed ourselves completely out of it with the extensions and trades.

ps. If Tyreke Evans can play the pg and excel, I would like to see what Harden could do before dismissing the idea. I don't totally agree, but not so quick to shoot it down.

[SacTown Kings]

I like the idea of bringing Charlie V but it wont happen. We wont have 7 million to throw at him. If we did have money to throw at someone I would rather throw it at Sessions.

Harden? Yuck. Nice player but one of the last guys we need to draft. He can't play the point and another sg is the last thing we need.

Rubio's buyout might be lowered making it a possibility for him to enter the 09 draft. If that's the case then we should draft him. Even if we get the 2nd pick and OKC gets the 1st pick then we can still draft him as OKC will be all over Griffin. If we get the 1st pick then we can swap with them and get a little something extra. Getting Nocioni could make Garcia expendable (do we really need 2 hustle role players playing the same position?) If we get the #1 pick how about Garcia/Houston's#1/and the #1 overall pick for OKC's pick (if it's the 2nd pick = Rubio) and Jeff Green. Also I wouldn't mind giving McCants the qualifying offer, the guy has skills and could be our new Bobby Jax/instant offense off the bench. So we look like:

Beno/Rubio
Martin/McCants
Green/Nocioni
Thompson/Greene (he looked good playing the pf spot, nightmare matchup for other pf's)/K9
Hawes/2nd rounder

I think this would be a fun team to watch, not a playoff team but I like the future lineup of Rubio/Martin/Green/Thompson/Hawes with Greene and McCants coming off the bench.

[deNIEd]

The difference between

Griffin and Monroe/Thabeet
isn't nearly as great as the difference between
Garcia/Hous 1st and Green

You are talking about a player that looks to be a future allstar lock against a player that could be a 6th man contender at best.


Realistically, perhaps something like
#1 for #2 and #25, #32
or (I'd want)
#1 and Nocioni for #2, and Rights to Ibaka

[ethiosew]

I don't really like any of those players on that FA list. Maybe M.Williams but that's if we don't overpay for him. The kings should just stick to youth movement for another year, even if it means having a terrible season again. Hopefully we get lucky and draft Griffin and Collison with Houston's pick. Let those players develop along with the young guys we have now. By 2010 we'll have another lotto pick along with a cap space to sign a solid player.

[dozencousins]

The cap next year will likely be between 50 - 54 million if i were any of you i really would figure conservatively !
We wont have much cap room to do anything but sign our # 1 draft pick & other rookies .

I think there is a very good chance petrie may decide to trade our 1st round pick along with k9 (next year expiring ) as a package deal in order to free up another 8.5 million or so to help us use that money for a free agent !

I see us drafting a big likely a power forward or a center i dont see us drafting a pointguard as the majority of you say unless we trade down or get unlucky in the lottery i do not see a point guard getting drafted before the # 4 pick anyways see (curry,rubio or jennings ) I personally think curry is the most nba ready right now !

Also wif the KINGS dont deal Nociani wich i doubt we do dont be suprised if Garcia is dealt between Nociani & the KINGS having D.Green now .

I dont see us having anychance of keeping anyone we traded for except the possibilities of
Nociani,McCants & Solomon &Solomon only if he plays really well for us as a back up the rest of this season !

[RIPskaterdude]

^^^ There's no way the cap will drop to 50 million.

[Nicky Nix Nook]

The cap next year will likely be between 50 - 54 million if i were any of you i really would figure conservatively !
We wont have much cap room to do anything but sign our # 1 draft pick & other rookies .

I think there is a very good chance petrie may decide to trade our 1st round pick along with k9 (next year expiring ) as a package deal in order to free up another 8.5 million or so to help us use that money for a free agent !

I see us drafting a big likely a power forward or a center i dont see us drafting a pointguard as the majority of you say unless we trade down or get unlucky in the lottery i do not see a point guard getting drafted before the # 4 pick anyways see (curry,rubio or jennings ) I personally think curry is the most nba ready right now !

Also wif the KINGS dont deal Nociani wich i doubt we do dont be suprised if Garcia is dealt between Nociani & the KINGS having D.Green now .


I dont see us having anychance of keeping anyone we traded for except the possibilities of
Nociani,McCants & Solomon &Solomon only if he plays really well for us as a back up the rest of this season !

!

[dozencousins]

Well skaterdude i said between 50 -54 milion either way prepare then to be shocked !

[SacKingZZZ]

If the cap is lowered that much for the first time you will see both owners and the players union go on strike regarding the same issue. It could get seriously UGLY. Like I said before, typical Kings luck with the timing!

[SacKingZZZ]

Denied is completely correct. 75% of losing is how you have to look at this.

As for Smills, Harden flat out can't play the 1. Give up, no one other than you wants harden to be a king. And there is no way on earth the kings pay Villanueva to start for half of the year until he underachieves and gets benched in favor of thompson.

Then Murray, oh boy. You are wrong in so many different ways. You're like a kings fan version of zakmc, which isn't a good thing.

Garcia's contract isn't our biggest problem. He is on our team to be a role player, not start at the 3 next to martin. He's a Hedo type of player for us. He isn't grossly overpaid like other players on our team. The biggest issue is Nocioni right now, because I hate to say it, but we're stuck with beno through thick and thin. So what's going to have to happen is us giving away Nocioni or Thomas in a yard sale so we can get Williams, not Garcia.

I do like your excitement for Williams, but it has to be done with reason and logic, not just pouting and obsession. K, so now im going on to your beane metaphor. Not only did it contradict itself and make 0 sense, but it in no way personified how beane has GM'd the A's.

Beane loves role playing guys like Garcia, just look at Mark Ellis, who is practically Garcia at 2nd base. He hasn't lived up to his potential at all, and he has underachieved, but he just got a huge extension. Same thing goes with Eric Chavez, he got like 6 years despite never hitting over 34 HR in a season.

These are moves almost identical to stuff that Petrie has done, and I need to point out two more things. The first: by saying Beane should be like Petrie, you're saying that we shouldn't sign Williams, because Beane has never signed any bigtime FA in all of his years. The second is the most important. I'll let you tell me what it is- how many championships has Beane won?

He easily has the offensive talents, ball handling, and passing ability to play PG. He is very similar to Brandon Roy. I think a Harden/Martin backcourt would be awesome, and if it doesn't work, trade somebody. That or Harden might be, and I mean MIGHT BE, big enough to play SF.

[RIPskaterdude]

Well skaterdude i said between 50 -54 milion either way prepare then to be shocked !

Once again, that won't happen in one year. It will be 55-57, at the least. In 2010, however...

[chriswebb86]

Okay here's my plan:

1) Draft Harden in the lotto
2) Draft Terrence Williams with our Rockets pick
3) Grab Brackins with our 2nd round pick
4) Sign Charlie Villanueva to a 5 year 35 million dollar deal with our cap space. Have it stay at 7 million a year.
5) Sign Levance Fields to a rookie deal as an undrafted Free agent


New roster:

C: Spencer Hawes, Craig Brackins
PF: Charlie Villanueva, Jason Thompson, Kenny Thomas
SF: Francisco Garcia, Andres Nocioni, Donte Greene
SG: Kevin Martin, Terrence Williams
PG: James Harden, Beno Udrih, Levance Fields

Rotations:

Hawes - 32 minutes @ C
Villanueva - 32 minutes @ PF
Thomson - 16 minutes @ C and 16 minutes @ PF
Garcia - 20 minutes @ SF Nocioni 28 minutes @ SF
Martin - 36 minutes @ SG Garcia 12 minutes @ SG
Harden - 30 minutes @ PG Beno 18 minutes @PG

Brackins
Williams
Fields
see spot minutes due to injury/foul trouble/etc

Kenny Thomas rides the pine on inactive list as an expiring deal until a trade comes along.

I like your idea about the Wizzards. To add another loto pick would be great.

Just curious, do you think Harden can play the point?

[chriswebb86]

I havent read a lot of this, but I honestly hope the Kings use the extra room for a trade. Maybe absorb a player like Bosh or Amare so that team does not have to take back as much. If we are going to sign a freeagent to more then a 2 year deal I hope that is Ramon Sessions. He would fix our pg problem and then we would be the superstar away from being a competing team.

[Smills91]

I absolutely think Harden can play the point, ESPECIALLY when coupled with a good ball handler like Cisco.

[SacTown Kings]

Rubio would be the better pick on many diferent levels.

[Nicky Nix Nook]

KM44 is a closet Beno supporter, but would never say it on the boards because he likes to fit in.