Ziller: Moore is "Mark Blount Bad"

[Larry Joe Bird]

by Jeff Clark on Feb 23, 2009 3:11 PM EST

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[CelticsBlog] You know the sound that Krusty the Clown makes when he gets bad news? "AAAARGH!" Yeah, that sound. That's what went through my head when I read the following lines.

I was going to ask Tom Ziller (Kings blogger extrordinare) for a scouting report on Mikki Moore if we signed him, but he beat me to the punch. Here's what he had to say:

Art Thompson III of the Orange County Register suggests that Moore could "duplicate or at least come close to providing the type of production that P.J. Brown supplied."

I like Mikki, and he's a great teammate. I will miss rooting for him more than any of the other five players the Kings traded or waived last week. But anyone expecting salvation in the form of this dude is in for great a surprise.

Moore is, and has been, among the worst rebounders in the league at the power forward position ... never mind center. He's Mark Blount bad in this area of the game. MARK. BLOUNT.

P.J. Brown, by contrast, is in the Top 100 all-time in rebound rate.

Moore has springs in his legs, but he does not block shots (6'6 Francisco Garcia had more per-minute last season). He can do three things well: take charges (though he'll also rack up a ton of fouls trying to get those), hit the elbow jumper and finish at the rim, provided the ball is handed off to him within five feet of the basket and there are no defenders within 10 feet.

Moore has an amazing story, with a one-in-a-million work ethic and a heart of solid gold. I'm a huge fan of Moore, The Man. So if a team like Boston wants to had him in order to help the youngsters stay motivated, to add 2.3 guttural screams per game, to boost the dreadlock/frightening tattoo quotient ... by all means, do it. But don't think Mikki will come in and be another P.J. Brown. That is not this dude.

To read Jeff Clark's bullet points on Mikki Moore, CLICK HERE.

[campybatman]

I already posted this in the other thread.

[Larry Joe Bird]

I already posted this in the other thread.

I didn't see your post in the other thread. Which thread is it posted in?

[greenbeans]

Mikki Moore day here at the celtics board... lol

This type of the stuff is why I don't even read the front page of that hole anymore.

[Zin5]

As it was stated in another thread. We have KG, Perk, Powe, Davis, and Pierce to carry the rebounding load. He'll look like an even worse rebounder here because we have all of these guys that are above average at their positions. I'd like to see how he does with the green before I pass judgment on him. Stats are deceiving depending on what a player's role is. Hell, POB had per 36 numbers of 13 points, 11 rebounds, and 3 blocks.

[Zin5]

I already posted this in the other thread.

I'd say it warrants its own thread. It just kind of got ignored in the other topic.

[Rocky5000]

He's just replacing POB. I wish we were getting Joe Smith, but must be the inside info is that a buyout is unlikely for him.
On the subject of Blount...

Mark Blount, believe it or not, would be a great big to have off the bench, if he didn't have the 'tude that he does. A long 7 foot shooter with 3 point range, and a decent shot blocker. I thought that Blount and KG made a respectable pairing while together in Minnesota. Mark Blount could have definitely hit the same jumpers that PJ Brown did and if we need a PJ Brown replacement, he could do it.

Looking at Blount's player page I noticed that his turnovers were out of control while here in 05-06. 3.06 TO per game! But, upon arriving in Minnesota, they were cut virtually in half to 1.76. I remember complaining an awful lot about Doc having Blount handling the ball too much while here, and those TOs stuck out in my head. But apparently outside of the beginning of that year, he's been Perkins like with his TOs.

[sully00]

As it was stated in another thread. We have KG, Perk, Powe, Davis, and Pierce to carry the rebounding load. He'll look like an even worse rebounder here because we have all of these guys that are above average at their positions. I'd like to see how he does with the green before I pass judgment on him. Stats are deceiving depending on what a player's role is. Hell, POB had per 36 numbers of 13 points, 11 rebounds, and 3 blocks.

The reason it was ignored is that it just wasn't very accurate. Moore is not a great rebounder or great anything except perhaps person. But this team is looking for tall and decent. PJ Brown was a great basketball player, 10 years ago, last year he was tall and rather clutch in one very important game, but beyond that he was pretty below average. Championships have away of coloring one's memory.

Moore is much more effective as a PF as opposed to C, I think Moore can fill the role of countering Varejao or Odom and help out against the bigger lineups that ORL can put on the floor, he is just not a great match up against starting 5's.

[celtxman]

He's just replacing POB. I wish we were getting Joe Smith, but must be the inside info is that a buyout is unlikely for him.
On the subject of Blount...

Mark Blount, believe it or not, would be a great big to have off the bench, if he didn't have the 'tude that he does. A long 7 foot shooter with 3 point range, and a decent shot blocker. I thought that Blount and KG made a respectable pairing while together in Minnesota. Mark Blount could have definitely hit the same jumpers that PJ Brown did and if we need a PJ Brown replacement, he could do it.

Looking at Blount's player page I noticed that his turnovers were out of control while here in 05-06. 3.06 TO per game! But, upon arriving in Minnesota, they were cut virtually in half to 1.76. I remember complaining an awful lot about Doc having Blount handling the ball too much while here, and those TOs stuck out in my head. But apparently outside of the beginning of that year, he's been Perkins like with his TOs.

When I saw this thread the first thing I thought was that Blount played well with KG and could give them minutes. Mark Blount provides a knee-jerk reaction much like Marbury does when you hear his name, without considering that the expectations and the roles are different for any of these players. Everybody knows Moore's game and there is interest beyond the Celtics. He provides some shooting, energy and length. Energy and length were things that the Celtics needed last year in the playoffs. Going into the playoffs PJ Brown hardly got a yawn from Celtic fans and rightfully so. He had DNPs and averaged 2 points and 2 rebounds and shot 35% in the shots he took during the regular season. Some nice defense in brief stints and one big shot and he became a cult hero. Brown filled an important role but few remember he averaged 3 points and 2 rebounds in his ballyhooed playoff - in other words he wasn't asked to do much, but what he did, he did well and was valuable. Moore can do the same type of thing in different areas Maybe he can harass Ilgauskus more than PJ could. Maybe he hits a few more jumpers. I think he will be an asset in different ways than PJ was, but he will be a solid addition assuming he signs.

[Larry Joe Bird]

Agent says Moore still undecided

[Scalamental]

"Moore has an amazing story, with a one-in-a-million work ethic and a heart of solid gold." Comparing this guy to Mark Blount is something a shock jock would do.

[MaxwellSmart]

Players like Moore usually thrive with Great teams and suck with Bad teams...Everyone here wants PJ Brown--but how would he be playing in Sacramento? How is Joe Smith performing in OKC?....With all the attention that our Big 3 receive from the opposing teams--a guy like Moore could create a lot of havoc....You think Andeson Varejao would look as good as he does if he was on the Kings or Thunder?..He kills you, cause you're worried about LeBron James.
Moore will be a pleasant surprise to all the C's fans if/once he gets here.

[Dogen]

Players like Moore usually thrive with Great teams and suck with Bad teams...Everyone here wants PJ Brown--but how would he be playing in Sacramento? How is Joe Smith performing in OKC?....With all the attention that our Big 3 receive from the opposing teams--a guy like Moore could create a lot of havoc....You think Andeson Varejao would look as good as he does if he was on the Kings or Thunder?..He kills you, cause you're worried about LeBron James.
Moore will be a pleasant surprise to all the C's fans if/once he gets here.

This looks like a good pickup to me--- what do people expect at this point in the season with the kind of money the Celtics are going to be able to pay? Let's face it, if the guy didn't have any faults there would be no way he is available right now. But for certain matchups he's going to be fine for 10-12 minutes a game.