harrell

[aaprigs311]

justin harrell = jamal reynolds. this pick was just as stupid as everyone first thought it was. we have a plethera of quality dt's. pickett, williams, and jolly has been stellar in camp. they would have been much better off taking a safety or a nickelback that eventually would take over for rastafarian harris and woodson. greg olsen wouldn't have been a bad pick either. maybe the jamal reynolds comparison is a little harsh and it's too early to judge, but the pack could be a better and more complete team had they selected a different player.

[deep throat]

justin harrell = jamal reynolds. this pick was just as stupid as everyone first thought it was. we have a plethera of quality dt's. pickett, williams, and jolly has been stellar in camp. they would have been much better off taking a safety or a nickelback that eventually would take over for rastafarian harris and woodson. greg olsen wouldn't have been a bad pick either. maybe the jamal reynolds comparison is a little harsh and it's too early to judge, but the pack could be a better and more complete team had they selected a different player.

I tend to agree with the basic premise-there were better options. I don't think you can say this is Jamal Reynolds -that is way off. I think this guy is going to be solid, but may not be any better then our two deep guys. I don't think Ted thought some of these guys would progress as well as they have.

Some will say "you can't have enoung good D-linemen" YES YOU CAN- 7 or 8 deep is enough-you need to balance your team and fill needs. I don't have a lot of faith in Bigby in coverage.

[xTitan]

justin harrell = jamal reynolds. this pick was just as stupid as everyone first thought it was. we have a plethera of quality dt's. pickett, williams, and jolly has been stellar in camp. they would have been much better off taking a safety or a nickelback that eventually would take over for rastafarian harris and woodson. greg olsen wouldn't have been a bad pick either. maybe the jamal reynolds comparison is a little harsh and it's too early to judge, but the pack could be a better and more complete team had they selected a different player.

Greg Olson is not an every down player because he can't block....I love Bush, Blackmon, and hope Willaims makes the team you have 3 very talented, young defensive backs......Harrell is a massive individual and will be fine for the long run.....Jolly was not a blip on the screen until this camp and to me Williams is vastly over-rated....thought he was one of the few line-man who played poorly last night....and last year the majority of his sacks were in 2 games.

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Greg Olson is not an every down player because he can't block....I love Bush, Blackmon, and hope Willaims makes the team you have 3 very talented, young defensive backs......Harrell is a massive individual and will be fine for the long run.....Jolly was not a blip on the screen until this camp and to me Williams is vastly over-rated....thought he was one of the few line-man who played poorly last night....and last year the majority of his sacks were in 2 games.

Your making a lot of assumptions

#1 Olsen is 6'5" 255, he could learn to block like many have before in the NFL. David martin was a WR coming out of college who couldn't block worth a lick.

#2 There's no way to say Harrell will be ok in the long run. It looks like he wont help much this year, and who knows how good he will ever be (or injuries).

All the DBs you mentioned are CBs. The Pack doesn't have much at S-which is where the major starting concern is, hopefully some of the young CBs will pan out.

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Your making a lot of assumptions

#1 Olsen is 6'5" 255, he could learn to block like many have before in the NFL. David martin was a WR coming out of college who couldn't block worth a lick.

#2 There's no way to say Harrell will be ok in the long run. It looks like he wont help much this year, and who knows how good he will ever be (or injuries).

All the DBs you mentioned are CBs. The Pack doesn't have much at S-which is where the major starting concern is, hopefully some of the young CBs will pan out.

and your not making alot of assumption? Give me a break....I like 3 of the Packer's young safetys, Bigby, Collins, and Rouse....i do not have near the concern with Bigby as you obviously do.

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and your not making alot of assumption? Give me a break....I like 3 of the Packer's young safetys, Bigby, Collins, and Rouse....i do not have near the concern with Bigby as you obviously do.

Did you watch the 1st preseason game? Bigby stunk it up. He played well on the line in game 2, but hasn't shown much in coverage. Haven't seen Rouse enough to draw any conclusion-but you obviously did. Collins is one starter. You give me a break.

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Did you watch the 1st preseason game? Bigby stunk it up. He played well on the line in game 2, but hasn't shown much in coverage. Haven't seen Rouse enough to draw any conclusion-but you obviously did. Collins is one starter. You give me a break.

sometimes what you see on TV and the reality of the situation is quite different both Bigby and McCarthy have said on local radio that Bigby was not responsible for getting beat in Pittsburgh, he was covering for someone else who blew coverage....but oh well who the hell cares about 1 preseason games...he made plays in the previous 2 games.....and if you are talking about the ability to judge talent I do think Bigby and Rouse have definite skills....how it plays out is anyones guess...so who should be playing safety?

[eagle13]

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Greg Olson is not an every down player because he can't block....I love Bush, Blackmon, and hope Willaims makes the team you have 3 very talented, young defensive backs......Harrell is a massive individual and will be fine for the long run.....Jolly was not a blip on the screen until this camp and to me Williams is vastly over-rated....thought he was one of the few line-man who played poorly last night....and last year the majority of his sacks were in 2 games.

Who knows about Olson? No one has any better idea what he can do than Harrell. At least we know Olson doesn't have history of serious injury. DT is very right that Olson could learn to block. Martin did that's true. We'll see about Olson just like every other rookie.

I share your enthusiam about same 3 CBs but we'll see if that proves to be justified? How they do if their forced to start?

DT is right - no way we can know Harrell will be alright. Hope so.

Yes seems TT and M3 did not recognize / expect Jolly to improve much. It was a surprise to me also.

As for Corey it seems you under-rate him as much as some over-rate him. Facts are once Jenkins started at DE the DL shut down the run and Corey was the starter and Jolly wasn't doing much yet and neither was Cole. So Williams did fine. So your saying because his sacks came in a few games they don't matter?

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sometimes what you see on TV and the reality of the situation is quite different both Bigby and McCarthy have said on local radio that Bigby was not responsible for getting beat in Pittsburgh, he was covering for someone else who blew coverage....but oh well who the hell cares about 1 preseason games...he made plays in the previous 2 games.....and if you are talking about the ability to judge talent I do think Bigby and Rouse have definite skills....how it plays out is anyones guess...so who should be playing safety?

I'm not so much talking about the blown coverage as I am the three missed tackles in the open field-two came on TDs-one was that horrible attempt where he body tackled a guy and the guy bounced of and ran in for the TD. Another was when he arm tackled Davenport and was dragged 8 yards (weak)-are those just TV illusions? his 2nd game he played well rushing the QB. the third game he didn't do much (nothing either way really stood out). That said, I hope he works out alomst anything is better then the manuel screw up.

As far as Bigby and Rouse having skills-everyone at this level has skills, that doesn't make sense. I don't know if the eventual SS starter of this team in one year is on the currnent roster. Probably Bigby untill he plays himslef out of the spot (which could happen)-Culver, a pickup off cuts, or it's possible they move Bush/Blackmon/?

[stillgotgame]

justin harrell = jamal reynolds. this pick was just as stupid as everyone first thought it was. we have a plethera of quality dt's. pickett, williams, and jolly has been stellar in camp. they would have been much better off taking a safety or a nickelback that eventually would take over for rastafarian harris and woodson. greg olsen wouldn't have been a bad pick either. maybe the jamal reynolds comparison is a little harsh and it's too early to judge, but the pack could be a better and more complete team had they selected a different player.

Quote from jsonline about the game:
"He played slow and looked sluggish," one scout said. "Poor reactions. He stalled out on the line of scrimmage rushing the passer. He got knocked back too far one time on the goal line. He really picks his spots."
Looks like this scout agrees w/ you.

[MickeyDavis]

I have no idea when/if Harrell will ever contribute, but many of the same people that say not to get excited about Jones because it's the preseason are saying Harrell is a bust based on the.....preseason.

[El Duderino]

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Quote from jsonline about the game:
"He played slow and looked sluggish," one scout said. "Poor reactions. He stalled out on the line of scrimmage rushing the passer. He got knocked back too far one time on the goal line. He really picks his spots."
Looks like this scout agrees w/ you.

Of course it's early,but i did notice alot of what that scout said.The one thing to worry me a bit is Harrell to this point hasn't looked as athletic as i expected.

I haven't done the DVR deal yet so i didn't watch close how Harrell has done holding position on running plays.On some of his pass rushes though,he looked stiffer than i expected and on a few plays i saw him trailing in pursuit Harrell seemed more plodding than a big athletic tackle that moves well.

Hopefully it's just a case of a guy still not in shape that's also rusty.I didn't pay attention to Harrell when he was in college so all i can go by on is the short draft video clips that were online.His numbers in college didn't suggest that he was a big time inside pass rushing/pressure threat in the Harris/Williams mold,but i'm assuming Thompson thought there was untapped potential in regards to being able to create pressure along with being stout vs the run.

I'm guessing Harrell will play alot next week,i'm gonna DVR the game a watch all his plays close and see how holds his position vs the run and if he at least flashes something in the pass rush.

[paulpressey25]

I'm ok with picking Harrell versus all those other guys...but still frosted that we passed on this guy who was BPA.



Aug 26
News: Quinn put up another strong performance against the Broncos on Saturday, going 7-of-11 with 81 yards and a touchdown.

Spin: Quinn, while playing against the Broncos' first unit, should have had another touchdown, but officials erroneously nixed a 39-yard touchdown pass to Joe Jurevicius while coach Romeo Crennel did not challenge. Quinn has now gone 13-of-20 for 155 yards with three touchdowns and no interceptions during the preseason.

[msiris]

I'm ok with picking Harrell versus all those other guys...but still frosted that we passed on this guy who was BPA.



Aug 26
News: Quinn put up another strong performance against the Broncos on Saturday, going 7-of-11 with 81 yards and a touchdown.

Spin: Quinn, while playing against the Broncos' first unit, should have had another touchdown, but officials erroneously nixed a 39-yard touchdown pass to Joe Jurevicius while coach Romeo Crennel did not challenge. Quinn has now gone 13-of-20 for 155 yards with three touchdowns and no interceptions during the preseason.

[stillgotgame]

Packers: Harrell deep on depth chart

By JASON WILDE 608-252-6176
August 28, 2007

GREEN BAY

[Ill-yasova]

Watching tonight's game against Ten. and man does Harrel look bad. He did have a gift interception, but the only reason he caught that was because he got stuffed at the line. It seems like every snap he just comes up off of the line engages the guard and just stands there. No push, no moves, nothing. He has been clearly outperformed by Muir this game. Man am I disapointed. No heart. I don't want to hear anything about the year off, bicep injuries don't make you get fat and lazy.

[LUKE23]

Man, the people ragging on Harrell need to get a clue. Can we give him at least half a season in the regular season before calling him a bust? People were ragging on Hawk last training camp and preseason too.

Just because he wasn't the guy you wanted doesn't mean there needs to be an agenda against everything he does. The season will bear things out.

[deep throat]

I think if he can stay healthy he will be fine. He's not a pass rushing DT -They brought him in because he is a guy that can bottle up the middle, hopefully can get some push. The trend around the NFL is to get two big DTs that can fill the hole and allow your quick LBs to flow to the ball. If and when he starts he is a guy that they will expect to have 40 tackles/4 sacks per season, but more than those stats is how he wil cut off the middle.

It takes a little time to make the transition from college to the NFL for most DTs. If you were expecting Reggie White you will be severely disappointed. Your expectations should be something closer to a Randy Starks. http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/players/p ... yerId=5596

[Ayt]

He actually got good push on several occasions (including the TD where he pushed the G right back into Young's face) and he showed good awareness of where the play was going on most occasions. He simply looked a little sluggish to me.

I think once he gets into top NFL shape and gets used to this level he'll be very good at what he does. I watched for him and keyed on him every time I saw him in there and I can see why he was so highly thought of. I'm not expecting much this year though since, like most rookies, he's hit or miss on many plays and we have a lot of good guys ahead of him.

[Ill-yasova]

He actually got good push on several occasions (including the TD where he pushed the G right back into Young's face) and he showed good awareness of where the play was going on most occasions. He simply looked a little sluggish to me.

I think once he gets into top NFL shape and gets used to this level he'll be very good at what he does. I watched for him and keyed on him every time I saw him in there and I can see why he was so highly thought of. I'm not expecting much this year though since, like most rookies, he's hit or miss on many plays and we have a lot of good guys ahead of him.

Never saw the "push" you were talking about. All I saw was a player who was never even worth the trouble of throwing a double team at. Again people say "once he gets in shape" he'll be good, and that is my biggest problem. This was the most important event in his life, coming to the NFL. He came in out of shape, and has shown no pass rush moves. Muir, a rookie free agent, has undeniably outperformed him.

The fact of the matter is that right now Harrel is the sixth best tackle on this team, and we should all expect a little more out of our first rounder.