OT -Delgado Blames Playing In Toronto On Lack Of Recognition

[Morris_Shatford]

Its not a slag at the Canadian baseball culture as a whole,
Its simply a valid point, Baseball is not really at the top of the depth chart for the average Torontonians entertainment dollar,

And had he been playing in a market such as Los Angeles, New York, Boston, Chicago etc then he would have got a little more chatter in more major baseball media markets,

I think a fair comparison is perhaps Rick Nash of the Columbus Blue Jackets, some of us know he is pretty darn good but if he played for the Leafs, Red Wings or Rangers all of us would know how pretty darn good he is.

[LLJ]

Carlos has been putting up the same numbers he did in Toronto for the Mets for the past 3 years and he's fallen even further off the map.

Maybe if he had something called a personality, he might be a little more popular.

So true. Even when you look at Vince's case - has he really gained that much more popularity and acclaim in the swamp then when he has here?

If I'm not mistaken, he was playing on national tv, on the cover of SI, and on every highlight reel in North America.

Bang on. People put too much stock in markets (that's why everyone is now bankrupt, hyuk, hyuk!). If San Antonio had been a lottery team for the past 15 years, would people really care about them. You win, you get acclaim.

[Mustard_Tiger]

Which means if the Jays start winning, they will get more recognition. ie. Colorado, Tampa Bay.

You seem to think that Colorado and Tampa players actually had proper recognition for what they did. It's an idealistic view, but it's not the case at all.

They really didn't have any major star players, either, so the situation isn't quite comparable to Toronto.

[timdunkit]

Of course Toronto is soo bad at getting media attention , though we all forget that VC was more popular here then he is with the Nets. So popular he was nearly always top in all-star voting , and even one year got more votes then MJ ... this kinda of power which has only ever been matched by the Chinese for Yao ...

Carter was so much better and more exciting than everyone else that he couldn't be ignored. Especially at a time when Michael Jordan's career was winding down.

MJ, you mean the greatest of all time? MJ had the world in his hands, he is the biggest basketball icon in the world even if his career was going down, he was stil amazing then (didn't he avg like 27 pts still?) and I am not sure but wasn't Carter injured that season as well? Also, even when carter was also injured, he would still garner a lot of votes ... The fact is that the toronto media does have power, and all this mumbo jumbo about how we don't is just a bias perspective ...

[Mustard_Tiger]

The fact is that the toronto media does have power, and all this mumbo jumbo about how we don't is just a bias perspective ...

Toronto media doesn't have any power in the United States.

[Mustard_Tiger]

I think a fair comparison is perhaps Rick Nash of the Columbus Blue Jackets, some of us know he is pretty darn good but if he played for the Leafs, Red Wings or Rangers all of us would know how pretty darn good he is.

Pretty much the same thing. If Nash played in Toronto, he would be a huge star.

[timdunkit]

The fact is that the toronto media does have power, and all this mumbo jumbo about how we don't is just a bias perspective ...

Toronto media doesn't have any power in the United States.

Still doesn't explain how VC got more votes then MJ the biggest basketball icon in the world (MJ still was having an amazing season) ... and then how little votes he got once he mvoed to New Jersey ...

[LLJ]

The fact is that the toronto media does have power, and all this mumbo jumbo about how we don't is just a bias perspective ...

Toronto media doesn't have any power in the United States.

Still doesn't explain how VC got more votes then MJ the biggest basketball icon in the world (MJ still was having an amazing season) ... and then how little votes he got once he mvoed to New Jersey ...

MJ was washed up by then. (Okay, he was still a 20 ppg player, but people don't vote for wax museum artifacts. If it was 1996 MJ would have killed Prime Raptor Vince in the votes, no contest.)

[timdunkit]

MJ was washed up by then. (Okay, he was still a 20 ppg player, but people don't vote for wax museum artifacts. If it was 1996 MJ would have killed Prime Raptor Vince in the votes, no contest.)

Majority of the fans that vote are casual fans, not hardcore realgmers. The casual fan around the world and the states would know who MJ is and if we are saying TO gets no attention then wouldn't know who VC is. MJ was still a 20 ppg player even been washed, he was still considered the goat, and was a world icon compare to carter who would supposedly get no attention because he was TO. Getting votes over the most popular guy ever to don a basketball jersey while your playing in city that supposedly gets no attention and is not even a contender ...

[Mustard_Tiger]

Some of you should seriously trying living in the United States. You'll see the amount of disrespect that athletes like Halladay and Bosh get.

[timdunkit]

Some of you should seriously trying living in the United States. You'll see the amount of disrespect that athletes like Halladay and Bosh get.

Even if you get disrespected, its attention non the less ...

[YogiStewart]

i can be brief and state:

Delgado's an egotistical, bitter idiot who wants more glory and money .

but let me briefly expand...

what has he accomplished career-wise? the Mets make the playoffs? no. the Jays? no.

let that, not his stats, judge his career.

not sure what you are looking for, Carl-ass, but you never would be a superstar. you are lacking.

[Mustard_Tiger]

i can be brief and state:

Delgado's an egotistical, bitter idiot who wants more glory and money .

but let me briefly expand...

what has he accomplished career-wise? the Mets make the playoffs? no. the Jays? no.

let that, not his stats, judge his career.

not sure what you are looking for, Carl-ass, but you never would be a superstar. you are lacking.

And you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Not unlike most people on this board.

[Mustard_Tiger]

Some of you should seriously trying living in the United States. You'll see the amount of disrespect that athletes like Halladay and Bosh get.

Even if you get disrespected, its attention non the less ...

Uh, no. A lack of attention=disrespect.

[timdunkit]

Some of you should seriously trying living in the United States. You'll see the amount of disrespect that athletes like Halladay and Bosh get.

Even if you get disrespected, its attention non the less ...

Uh, no. A lack of attention=disrespect.

you didn't say they get less attention, you said they were less respected, thats two different thiings ... and maybe thats what Delgado was trying to really say, he didn't get the respect (not attention) he deserved ...

In fact just expanding, if you used this as a basis, it explains most things. It seems that athletes feel that don't get enough respect because they play in Canada; however, that does not mean they don't get enough attention ...

[O'DEAN_MAGNUM]

Delgado is partially right, but it has to do with the era he played in, and not just playing in T.O

late 80's-early 90's, the Jays were recognized for.....World Series, new Skydome, all star game, 4 million attendance and free agents all over the league wanting to play here.

This is going back, but does anyone remember Cleveland shortstop Carlos Bearga (sp.) getting snubbed for the all star game even though he had better numbers than Roberto Alomar.

Carlos had the bad luck of playing when with no World Series/Playoffs, aging Skydome that nobody cared about, and dwindling attendance.

Toronto wasn't recognized during those days, but it was understandable why.....but as always we've turned it into some pissing match with the U.S and U.S media, blah, blah blah

the infreriority complex seems to be ingrained in Torontonians.

[ldnk]

The attacks on Delgado are strange. He isn't criticizing Toronto itself, he is criticizing the coverage that teams get around the league which is completely true. Just recently we had the story of a Chicago beatwriter who intentionally left Jays players off his ballot because he didn't believe Canada should be included in baseball. It is no different than the complaints we see on RealGM about the coverage of the team.

The Raptors don't get ESPN games. The Raptors don't get TNT games. The Raptors don't play on NBC. The Raptors gets stuck on TSN2. There is 40 minutes of hockey coverage before Raptors highlights, etc. Those are the things Delgado is calling out and they are absolutely true. He was top 10 in power numbers during the "steriod era" and he was rarely discussed as one of the great power hitters of the game.

[Geddy]

I think a lot of people here are confused. He is not bashing the Blue Jays, Toronto or even Canada. He is simply stating that he didn't win the MVP that year because the Jays aren't on many voters' minds in the US. That is a valid point that he is making.

Also, he was just trying to deflect any talk that steroids were the cause for ARod getting the MVP and him not getting it.

I don't see how people are getting all upset over this, or saying things like he has a bad attitude when the reality is that the guy is one of the nicest guys in the league.

[Mustard_Tiger]

I think a lot of people here are confused. He is not bashing the Blue Jays, Toronto or even Canada. He is simply stating that he didn't win the MVP that year because the Jays aren't on many voters' minds in the US. That is a valid point that he is making.

But it's so much easier to hate Carlos Delgado for no reason!