Whats Marvins potential?

[ATL DirtyBird]

Its been great watching the kids game progress this year. Personally I think that he could become a 18-19 Pt, 7-8 rb a game type player but that would take work and effort. I dont think this is the right team for him to reach the potential, unless we get rid of Smith. Thoughts?

[parson]

I don't think Smoove's the problem. It seems to me that Marvelous has scored in bunches anytime Woodson needed him to. If I'm right, then maybe the scheme is the barrier.

[ATL DirtyBird]

It just seems that Marvin plays so much better when Smoove is out, and when just about anyone is out, I just dont know why everytime he touches the ball when were healthy he passes it immeaditely. Its quite annoying cuz the man has game.

[parson]

I hear ya, but consider last night: was it Smoove's absence or was it Bibby's? I think if Bibby had been there, we'd have seen him split those 34 shots that Marvelous and Horford had between himself and Joe. Marvelous and Horford might not have gotten 15 shots altogether.

You might be right, but do you remember how great BOTH Marvin AND Smoove looked against the Knicks?

Maybe Woodson's offense can only handle 3 players getting the shots?

[HMFFL]

Marvin needs to be the second or third option on this team. Coach Woodson needs to call more plays for his young 3 instead of allowing him to play comfortable basketball behind the scenes. Marvin's heart and desire to win really come out when he's being used right. So, theres need to be a reality check for Woodson, Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson and especially Josh Smith that Marvin needs to have a bigger role on the team.

The problem I have with small forwards is that I don't view the position as a priority compared to the rest of the positions. I'm open to seeing Marvin go after the end of the season if it's going to hurt the future of this team financially. I feel small forwards are rather easy to acquire and I see no reason to overpay to keep Marvin here.

While I praised him, I'm also willing to say goodbye due to him being a 3, so will see what happens this off-season.

[D21]

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Maybe Woodson's offense can only handle 3 players getting the shots?

If Woodson and better systems, Bibby would not need all the shots he takes.
He would be running pick-&-roll, and only take open shots. Bibby is also in contract year, so maybe he will shoot less by himself next year.

And there's a thing that show that it's not taking lots of shots, but maybe more a system problem: in these games there Marvin had lots of points, he never had to take lots of shots.
@ DEN : 17 for 31pts
@ CHA : 15 for 29pts
@ MIN : 13 for 23pts
@ NY : 13 for 28pts

It's easy to say that the SF position is the easiest to fill, but when you don't have at least one impact guy outside and one inside. Who will be our inside offensive impact player ? Horford ? Smith ?
I have problem to believe in it.

And since Marvin takes advantage of playing PF, sometimes I think I would prefer have him playing half his minutes at PF, and half at SF, with Horford playing the main on PF, and Smith traded for C.
Now, Smith has huge impact on our defense, and it would be hard to find it elsewhere.
But if we have to trade Marvin, we have better to get a C and improve inside play, because the SF we would sign to fill Marvin role won't be better than him.

For what it's worth, his Net production has increased every year:
own opp Net
13.2 18.9 -5.7
13.4 17.2 -3.8
16.4 18.4 -2.0
17.5 14.8 +2.7

[conleyorbust]

Its been great watching the kids game progress this year. Personally I think that he could become a 18-19 Pt, 7-8 rb a game type player but that would take work and effort. I dont think this is the right team for him to reach the potential, unless we get rid of Smith. Thoughts?

He also played better when Joe was out, maybe Joe is the problem?

[ATL DirtyBird]

^^^Josh and Joe are both a problem and seem to hurt us alot these days, its sickening!

[LL Cool Scott]

I would say his absolute ceiling (on a good team) is 17 points and 6 rebounds. He could get more on a bad team, but that means nothing. He's a good 3rd option, decent spot up shooter who occasionally gets to the line and can run and get some garbage baskets. Good enough defender. Unselfish passer. Not a good rebounder at all.

[raleigh]

I would say his absolute ceiling (on a good team) is 17 points and 6 rebounds. He could get more on a bad team, but that means nothing. He's a good 3rd option, decent spot up shooter who occasionally gets to the line and can run and get some garbage baskets. Good enough defender. Unselfish passer. Not a good rebounder at all.

[parson]

Well, I'm on record as saying I see Bernard King in Marvelous, so I can't back down now.

But the real answer to what his "ceiling" is will be answered by our ball distribution.

[tontoz]

Well, I'm on record as saying I see Bernard King in Marvelous, so I can't back down now.

But the real answer to what his "ceiling" is will be answered by our ball distribution.

OMG King averaged 24 ppg as a rookie shooting 48%. Marvin will never even get close to that in a month let alone a year.

[LL Cool Scott]

Well, I'm on record as saying I see Bernard King in Marvelous, so I can't back down now.

But the real answer to what his "ceiling" is will be answered by our ball distribution.

Wow. Dude, your glass is more than just half full, it's overflowing into a whole 'nother glass.

[tontoz]

Well, I'm on record as saying I see Bernard King in Marvelous, so I can't back down now.

But the real answer to what his "ceiling" is will be answered by our ball distribution.

Wow. Dude, your glass is more than just half full, it's overflowing into a whole 'nother glass.

Not only that but their games aren't similar at all. King's signature shot was his pullup J off the dribble. He might have been the best i ever saw at that shot and Marvin doesn't have it at all.

Marvin either shoots off the catch or tries to drive all the way in. every now and then he will shoot a little floater when he gets cut off.

King was a scoring machine. When he got it going it was almost comical to watch. He wasn't that fast and wasn't a great leaper but his skill and quick release made him unstoppable at times.

[parson]

Wow. Dude, your glass is more than just half full, it's overflowing into a whole 'nother glass.

Yep. It runneth over, all right.

But look, last year about this time most of the same guys who are now giving him faint praise were calling him a role-player at best and some of them were calling him a bust. I told them to wait until he grew into his body. Am I - now - supposed to worry when the same guys tell me I'm going overboard?

The kid's longer, bigger (with a huge frame), a better outside shooter and a better defender than most SFs in the NBA. And, although he's already a pretty strong SF, he'll soon be one of the strongest. Most guys with his frame have to move to PF, but he won't have to. His present defensive prowess tells me that.

Look how easily he gets to the FT line. Think about when he's used more in our offense -- and he will be. There are a lot of guys on this team who want their shot, and Marvelous is deferring to them ... but he won't always.

He can be as good as he wants to be.

[tontoz]

Wow. Dude, your glass is more than just half full, it's overflowing into a whole 'nother glass.

Yep. It runneth over, all right.

But look, last year about this time most of the same guys who are now giving him faint praise were calling him a role-player at best and some of them were calling him a bust. I told them to wait until he grew into his body. Am I - now - supposed to worry when the same guys tell me I'm going overboard?

The kid's longer, bigger (with a huge frame), a better outside shooter and a better defender than most SFs in the NBA. And, although he's already a pretty strong SF, he'll soon be one of the strongest. Most guys with his frame have to move to PF, but he won't have to. His present defensive prowess tells me that.

Look how easily he gets to the FT line. Think about when he's used more in our offense -- and he will be. There are a lot of guys on this team who want their shot, and Marvelous is deferring to them ... but he won't always.

He can be as good as he wants to be.

Wow you sure come up with some crazy stuff. Marvin's lack of strength is his big problem. He can't take contact for crap.

Here are some small forwards easily stronger than marvin:

Lebron
Artest
Butler
melo
GWallace
Maggette
Pierce
Marion
Harping
RJefferson

And those are just the obvious ones. Marvin gets a lot of calls specifically because he is weak and his body collapses on contact.

Marvin's shooting is nothing special at the 3. I am glad he is making 3s but shooting 45% from the field, 36% from 3 just ok for a guy averaging 14 ppg.

JJ has made 3 All Star games and isn't close to King's level which is the Top 50 all time. A guy averaging 14/6 in his fourth season of big minutes has nothing in common with King other than playing the same sport.

I have no problem with Marvin and hope he gets resigned but your comments are nuts.