Celtics vs Pacers - Friday, February 27th

[Spud34]

There is no member of the big 3 thats better then the other they are all Equal.


| R.Allen = Pierce = Garnett |


Seperated they falter Together they conquer

I sorry, friend, but you are wrong.

Paul Pierce ≠ Ray Allen
Paul Pierce > Ray Allen
Kevin Garnett ≠ Ray Allen
Kevin Garnett > Ray Allen
Paul Pierce=Kevin

It's the Big 2 featuring Ray Allen. Try to remember that.

[SuigintouEV]

Before becoming a Celtic....
Ray Allen made the 2nd round in the west as the 1st option as many times as Garnett did.
Ray Allen made the ECF as the 1st option as many times as Pierce ever did. (he even led the league in Offensive Win Shares that year)



Ray Allen currently has by FAR the best TS% on the team.
Ray Allen scores WITHOUT needing isolations.
Ray Allen has the HIGHEST +/- on the team.
without Ray Allen's 3 pointers, this all of a sudden becomes one of the weakest 3pt shooting teams in the league, especially with Rondo and Tony Allen in the backcourt.

The only thing you can possibly knock ray allen for is being 1 or 2 years older than the other stars. Pierce might make the plays, but Ray gets him the space to do so. Garnett might get the dunks, but it's ray that gives rondo the passing lane to throw those alleyoops. Rondo might get in the lane, but it's Allen that bailes him out so often and pads Rondo's assists stats.

Please, spud, stfu. Ray struggled against the cavs last year in the playoffs, yes. but that's essentially IT. He was only getting like 5 shots in some of the games in that series because rondo was passing up wide open jumpers and killing the celtics' offense. The only reason you don't love having a SG as amazing as Ray Allen is because Rondo is a flawed basketball player , and Pierce as great as he is, is no Lebron James regardless. Ray Allen's impact might not be evident in Ray Allen's statline, but it sure manifests itself on Pierce and Rondo's statlines. (just like Rondo and Pierce's impact manifest on Garnett's statline, and Garnett's impact is seen on Rondo and Perkins' statline)

That's what makes this team such a joy to watch when healthy.

[PP34RA10]

Before becoming a Celtic....
Ray Allen made the 2nd round in the west as the 1st option as many times as Garnett did.
Ray Allen made the ECF as the 1st option as many times as Pierce ever did. (he even led the league in Offensive Win Shares that year)



Ray Allen currently has by FAR the best TS% on the team.
Ray Allen scores WITHOUT needing isolations.
Ray Allen has the HIGHEST +/- on the team.
without Ray Allen's 3 pointers, this all of a sudden becomes one of the weakest 3pt shooting teams in the league, especially with Rondo and Tony Allen in the backcourt.

The only thing you can possibly knock ray allen for is being 1 or 2 years older than the other stars. Pierce might make the plays, but Ray gets him the space to do so. Garnett might get the dunks, but it's ray that gives rondo the passing lane to throw those alleyoops. Rondo might get in the lane, but it's Allen that bailes him out so often and pads Rondo's assists stats.

Please, spud, stfu. Ray struggled against the cavs last year in the playoffs, yes. but that's essentially IT. He was only getting like 5 shots in some of the games in that series because rondo was passing up wide open jumpers and killing the celtics' offense.

ray allen was not the 1st option on the bucks, glen dog and cassell shot just as many times

pierce made it to the confrence finals with a terrible supporting cast

the thing about ray allen is, he can do good against bad defences, but when there are good defensive teams he really struggles(only a couple good defensive teams, but they are the top teams-cavs-spurs..), which is expected but pp can score other ways by getting to the line and creating.

ray allen 1 on 1 defence is also the weakest on the C's

[PP34RA10]

Before becoming a Celtic....
Ray Allen made the 2nd round in the west as the 1st option as many times as Garnett did.
Ray Allen made the ECF as the 1st option as many times as Pierce ever did. (he even led the league in Offensive Win Shares that year)



Ray Allen currently has by FAR the best TS% on the team.
Ray Allen scores WITHOUT needing isolations.
Ray Allen has the HIGHEST +/- on the team.
without Ray Allen's 3 pointers, this all of a sudden becomes one of the weakest 3pt shooting teams in the league, especially with Rondo and Tony Allen in the backcourt.

The only thing you can possibly knock ray allen for is being 1 or 2 years older than the other stars. Pierce might make the plays, but Ray gets him the space to do so. Garnett might get the dunks, but it's ray that gives rondo the passing lane to throw those alleyoops. Rondo might get in the lane, but it's Allen that bailes him out so often and pads Rondo's assists stats.

Please, spud, stfu. Ray struggled against the cavs last year in the playoffs, yes. but that's essentially IT. He was only getting like 5 shots in some of the games in that series because rondo was passing up wide open jumpers and killing the celtics' offense. The only reason you don't love having a SG as amazing as Ray Allen is because Rondo is a flawed basketball player , and Pierce as great as he is, is no Lebron James regardless. Ray Allen's impact might not be evident in Ray Allen's statline, but it sure manifests itself on Pierce and Rondo's statlines. (just like Rondo and Pierce's impact manifest on Garnett's statline, and Garnett's impact is seen on Rondo and Perkins' statline)

That's what makes this team such a joy to watch when healthy.

Pierce spaces the floor for ray as well, Pierce shoots around 40 % from 3 on about 4 attemps, same with KG who opens the floor with His great midrange jumper where 80% of his points come from

[BillessuR6]

I sorry, friend, but you are wrong.

Paul Pierce ≠ Ray Allen
Paul Pierce > Ray Allen
Kevin Garnett ≠ Ray Allen
Kevin Garnett > Ray Allen
Paul Pierce=Kevin

It's the Big 2 featuring Ray Allen. Try to remember that.

You haven`t watched games this year have you? Ray has been our best and most consistent player. But I guess we can`t really expect bitter ex-girlfriends to be objective ...

[Avalanche]

Spud is a clown, interested in hyping up Paul more than he is concerned or educated about the celtics as a whole.

We know this team can run through a different primary offensive option depending on a match up, I'm the most die hard KG fan there is, so much so i switched teams when he did... but i am not willing to make comments dissing the other core members of this team. Spud, just appreciate the fact Paul has 2 hall of fame players helping him get to the top

[chakdaddy]

BBD, Marbury, and Ray were basically the only ones who showed up last night. Rondo looked bad to me despite the assists...missed jump shots, no drives were there.

Marbury was exactly what we needed - a spark in a totally stagnant offense that had degenerated into strictly bad jump shots. I think he is going to be a fantastic addition.

Meanwhile, Mikki Moore looked awful; hopefully we don't regret not waiting for Joe Smith. Hopefully he'll be ok with a little more time to assimilate.

[RayAllen#34]

Before becoming a Celtic....
Ray Allen made the 2nd round in the west as the 1st option as many times as Garnett did.
Ray Allen made the ECF as the 1st option as many times as Pierce ever did. (he even led the league in Offensive Win Shares that year)



Ray Allen currently has by FAR the best TS% on the team.
Ray Allen scores WITHOUT needing isolations.
Ray Allen has the HIGHEST +/- on the team.
without Ray Allen's 3 pointers, this all of a sudden becomes one of the weakest 3pt shooting teams in the league, especially with Rondo and Tony Allen in the backcourt.

The only thing you can possibly knock ray allen for is being 1 or 2 years older than the other stars. Pierce might make the plays, but Ray gets him the space to do so. Garnett might get the dunks, but it's ray that gives rondo the passing lane to throw those alleyoops. Rondo might get in the lane, but it's Allen that bailes him out so often and pads Rondo's assists stats.

Please, spud, stfu. Ray struggled against the cavs last year in the playoffs, yes. but that's essentially IT. He was only getting like 5 shots in some of the games in that series because rondo was passing up wide open jumpers and killing the celtics' offense.

ray allen was not the 1st option on the bucks, glen dog and cassell shot just as many times

pierce made it to the confrence finals with a terrible supporting cast

the thing about ray allen is, he can do good against bad defences, but when there are good defensive teams he really struggles(only a couple good defensive teams, but they are the top teams-cavs-spurs..), which is expected but pp can score other ways by getting to the line and creating.

ray allen 1 on 1 defence is also the weakest on the C's

Ray took an extremely week Sonics team to the second round, and took the eventual champion Spurs team to 6 games. Only reason it didn't go to 7 is because duncan hit a buzzer beater to win the 6th game. This was also in the Western conference when the West was clearly stronger than the East. He was the first option on that Sonics team.

[Spud34]

Pierce spaces the floor for ray as well, Pierce shoots around 40 % from 3 on about 4 attemps, same with KG who opens the floor with His great midrange jumper where 80% of his points come from

Agreed. Ray doesn't space the floor for Pierce at all. Last night Pierce was getting double teams, and Ray was getting wide open shots. You think he would be shooting such a high % was on his own team? Hell no!

ray allen 1 on 1 defence is also the weakest on the C's

lol at thought of Ray trying to score without a wide open shot or a set of screens.

[Spud34]

I sorry, friend, but you are wrong.

Paul Pierce ≠ Ray Allen
Paul Pierce > Ray Allen
Kevin Garnett ≠ Ray Allen
Kevin Garnett > Ray Allen
Paul Pierce=Kevin

It's the Big 2 featuring Ray Allen. Try to remember that.

You haven`t watched games this year have you? Ray has been our best and most consistent player. But I guess we can`t really expect bitter ex-girlfriends to be objective ...

Pierce is averaging more points, rebounds, assists and steal. He has also accumulated more points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks. More consistent my ***.

[Mahoney_jr]

What's up with the Ray bashing? Paul and Ray complement each other perfectly. Having to scoring wings with slightly different games on both sides of the perimeter, offers consistent mismatches against the other contenders (esp. LA).

[EvadedHavoc]

There is no member of the big 3 thats better then the other they are all Equal.


| R.Allen = Pierce = Garnett |


Seperated they falter Together they conquer

I sorry, friend, but you are wrong.

Paul Pierce ≠ Ray Allen
Paul Pierce > Ray Allen
Kevin Garnett ≠ Ray Allen
Kevin Garnett > Ray Allen
Paul Pierce=Kevin

It's the Big 2 featuring Ray Allen. Try to remember that.

stfu and gtfo.

Without Ray Allen this team is worse then there current record.


You can reply back but im not going to acknowledge it because you lose.

[Spud34]

There is no member of the big 3 thats better then the other they are all Equal.


| R.Allen = Pierce = Garnett |


Seperated they falter Together they conquer

I sorry, friend, but you are wrong.

Paul Pierce ≠ Ray Allen
Paul Pierce > Ray Allen
Kevin Garnett ≠ Ray Allen
Kevin Garnett > Ray Allen
Paul Pierce=Kevin

It's the Big 2 featuring Ray Allen. Try to remember that.

stfu and gtfo.

Without Ray Allen this team is worse then there current record.


You can reply back but im not going to acknowledge it because you lose.

You STFU GTFFO, Pierce and Garnett are better than Ray, period. If Ray goes down with an injury the imapact on the team would be minimal. We wouldn't skip a beat.

[Kefa461]

They are all important....The Big 3....I'm sure glad they don't don't fight like some fans do......

[3pt %]

Isn't it nice that all we have to argue about is which HOF is better?

Go back a couple of years and we were arguing about which Celtic players were actually NBA quality.

[ParticleMan]

Spud, you're looking pretty dumb here.

Ray has the best Roland rating and net +/- on the team. He also is statistically our best defender outside of Tony Allen, and Doc has said that Ray has been our best player this year.

You've clearly got some weird agenda against Ray. I dunno what it is, but you need to get over it and start watching the team. Ray has been fantastic this year.

[SuigintouEV]

Ray took an extremely week Sonics team to the second round, and took the eventual champion Spurs team to 6 games. Only reason it didn't go to 7 is because duncan hit a buzzer beater to win the 6th game. This was also in the Western conference when the West was clearly stronger than the East. He was the first option on that Sonics team.

Don't forget Bruce Bowen took out Ray's ankles in that series.

[return2glory]

One play I couldn'y stand was Rondo driving to the basket and passing up on 6-8 footers and giving it to Perkins. Perkins was about 5 feet from the basket and would pass away easy chances. This happened atleast 5 times during the game. I don't like it when Rondo isn't an offensive weapon. Perkins is useless on the offensive end.

Good win, though. Moore and Marbury looked good. Great games by Ray and BBD. I think BBD scored the last 6 points for us.