How bad was the 2008 offseason?

Golabki · Post #1 » by **Golabki** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:44 pm

We had four roster spots to fill with the MLE and vet min contracts.

We had major holes at backup Center, Small Forward, Shooting Guard and Point Guard.

We got two guys that we just dumped for nothing. A backup point guard that we had to replace mid-season for the second year in a row. And an injury prone SG, who surprisingly, got injured.

Any of the offseason signings is defensible on it's own, but all together, and knowing what we know now... I looks really really bad.

Bluewhale · Post #2 » by **Bluewhale** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:54 pm

As long as Celtics didn't take bad long term commitment (aka Posey), then it is a successful off-season.

GWVan · Post #3 » by **GWVan** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:05 pm

The sky indeed fell.

We have struggled all season, probably won't make the playoffs.

Golabki · Post #4 » by **Golabki** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:05 pm

I agree to some extent, and I didn't want to resign Posey, but was POB really the best back-up center available? Why did we sign House and Cassell, if we were just to bring in a new PG half way through the season?

Bluewhale · Post #5 » by **Bluewhale** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:10 pm

Murbury is not available at summer.

Tony/Eddie/POB is the best option at that time. Birdman and Mutombo both have place they want to go more for personal reason.

Maybe we should draft Mario Chalmer than Giddens. But the jury is still out for Giddens. It is also hard to say Chalmer will be better than Eddie house at that time.

TheSheriff · Post #6 » by **TheSheriff** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:11 pm

Golabki wrote:I agree to some extent, and I didn't want to resign Posey, but was POB really the best back-up center available? Why did we sign House and Cassell, if we were just to bring in a new PG half way through the season?

House has been an extremely important part of this team.

greenbeans · Post #7 » by **greenbeans** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:19 pm

Fire Danny!

GreenMachine · Post #8 » by **GreenMachine** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:25 pm

Well it is quite clear DA new he was getting Steph all along (and I even said so before the season started).

So knowing that, and hopping PJ would come back one more time... who exactly would you have signed last off season? I agree we didn't get much, but sometimes the best move is not making a move.

Your plan would have been?

Post #9 » by **ParticleMan** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:33 pm

Hindsight is always 20/20. the point is we made the best moves at the time. house has been great, i haven't had any complaints with eddie. even with steph, this just means house will move to SG. POB was a low-risk gamble that failed. meh. we tried to get PJ and Deke, but it can't work out every time.

The only thing that matters is that the team should be strong going into the playoffs. It looks like we should be all good, once we get our health in order. So once again I'd say the season has unfolded really well. I'd rather have Smith than Moore but it's not a huge deal, and who knows Smith may still not get a buyout before Mar 1. So overall kudos to Danny and the FO. I can't think of what I would have done very differently.

TheOGJabroni · Post #10 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:21 pm

greenbeans wrote:Fire Danny!

+1

Scalamental · Post #11 » by **Scalamental** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:55 pm

You can't be mad at the team for getting a bad hand. What could we do? We did it. What would you have done? That's right, complain and point fingers, after the fact.

Danny 4 Prez.

Datruth345 · Post #12 » by **Datruth345** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:58 pm

i still say more of a pitch should have been made to matt barnes

OBisHalJordan · Post #13 » by **OBisHalJordan** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:10 pm

Datruth345 wrote:i still say more of a pitch should have been made to matt barnes

i agree. back up small forward is the teams big weakness. it doesn't seem like a big deal but when the only person we have to guard Lebron is pierce it seems a bit concerning, especially given the the likelihood that the Cs and Cavs will be meeting in the playoffs.

Mahoney_jr · Post #14 » by **Mahoney_jr** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:26 pm

I think Ainge tried to trade Giddens like crazy (since draft day), but nobody wanted the salary. Ainge just made a minor mistake. Cassell was the Marbury insurance. POB (worth) a try, but Birdman would've been better obviously. Otherwise Ainge counted on some buyouts and he hit a homerun at the deadline again.

I think Ainge has some good connections within the NBA, because he got the deals for Cassell and POB.

Zin5 · Post #15 » by **Zin5** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:31 pm

OBisHalJordan wrote:
Datruth345 wrote:i still say more of a pitch should have been made to matt barnes

i agree. back up small forward is the teams big weakness. it doesn't seem like a big deal but when the only person we have to guard Lebron is pierce it seems a bit concerning, especially given the the likelihood that the Cs and Cavs will be meeting in the playoffs.

This is the only thing I look back on and say that I really wanted to happen then and really still regret that it didn't happen now. I was baffled when we didn't make a strong play for him and then he signed with Phoenix for the minimum. Maybe he had personal reasons, but he would have at least been a suitable replacement for Posey and given us some legitimate depth behind Pierce.

celticfan42487 · Post #16 » by **celticfan42487** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:45 pm

Barnes would of been a great replacement for Posey.

We could of offered Maggette the full MLE while at least give the vet min to Barnes.. who went to Phnx for that amount...

Also Maglorie would of been a better PJ Brown insurance then Patrick O'Bryant.. Maglorie signed for the vet min.

During all-star break Mutumbo said he was interested in coming to BOS for the vet min but Ainge in the end wasn't interested in him.. which is an epic failure and inexcusable.

James Jones was signed by MIA as well, he could of provided some 3 point shooting as well as a SF/SG player that would of given our wings needed depth... but we didn't get him.

Eddie House, is a nobody that did well. Was overpaid and then given a guaranteed 2 year contract that is completely unnecessary and is the first of his career for a reason. That was a bad financial move that tied up key money for next offseason.

Then we sign the bust of a player O'Bryant to a 2 year contract also wasting a roster spot for a replacement next season on a Gerald Green Center.

This is coming off a championship before CLE got Mo Williams [for almost all these moves] and before anyone knew ORL would be halfway decent. As far as off seasons supporting a championship squad it was a horrible horrible job done by Danny Ainge.

Bluewhale · Post #17 » by **Bluewhale** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:04 pm

Jamaal 44%FG Magloire? Jamaal Magloire is done. He didn't show anything better than POB.

James 21%3P Jones can provide us good 3pter. Are you serious?

Eddie house is solid and he worth every penny of his two year contract (5M)

Mutombo always loves Huston more than any other team. I think this is a common knowledge.

I love Barnes, too. But I am not sure if he has personal reason to go Phoenix before any other team.

humblebum · Post #18 » by **humblebum** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:12 pm

Matt Barnes is a dirty player.

celticfan42487 · Post #19 » by **celticfan42487** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:36 pm

^ we call them "instigators" around here.

And Maglorie is the equivalent of Pollard from last year. A person with beef is better insurance then a stick without a brain. Let alone a stick without a brain on a 2 year deal.

And yes the 39% career 3 point shooting James Jones can shoot a 3 ball. He was top 5 in 3% last season. Not to mention he's 6'8" and mobile. MIA isn't even using him greatly so he'd get just as many minutes here.

You can break down players as much as you want for the options and disregard Mutombo's comments is you like. But when you see you're comparing these players to House on a 2 year deal for 2.5 mil a year and a waste of a basketball player in O'Bryant on a 2 year deal it is a massive failure. I'm very happy we won't have O'Bryant taking up a roster spot next free agency.

At the very least looking at LA's big men and CLE's Lebron and ORL's D-12 Ainge should of came away with James Jones and Maglorie/Wright.

*edit: oh James Jones, Maglorie/Wright, and Eddie House on a one year deal*

Post #20 » by **ParticleMan** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:53 pm

Obryant signed a 1 year deal with a team option. We're not paying him after this year.

Seriously, if the worst thing you can say about an offseason is that Ainge signed a 7-footer former lotto pick for a minimum contract... i dunno man, i think you've just got a serious agenda.

I like Barnes overall but TA is a way better defender. Ainge showed him some loyalty, i think it's fine. TA will help us. and James Jones... LMAO, you can't be serious...