Matt Cassel dealt to KC

xTitan · Post #1 » by **xTitan** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:15 pm

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/

Pioli isn't wasting any time bringing his boys to KC, just wonder how many draft picks he will end up with.

Kerb Hohl · Post #2 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:22 pm

I'm not sure what to think of Cassel yet. I know he isn't awful but I think he's going to be a run-of-the-mill guy without Moss, Welker, that line, etc. obviously. And it costs the Chiefs something like 10 mil/year and a few draft picks? The Patriots keep getting richer.

Post #3 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:55 pm

If they gave up the #3 I'll ****.

Post #4 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:06 pm

It's Vrabel and Cassell for the #34. Great deal for the Chiefs to say the least.

Kerb Hohl · Post #5 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:15 pm

DrugBust wrote:It's Vrabel and Cassell for the #34. Great deal for the Chiefs to say the least.

I think it's a win-win. That is a very high 2nd and you can draft a starting caliber or solid contributor guy at that spot.

The Pats also won't be paying a backup QB 14 million now.

Post #6 » by **Jollay** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:30 pm

Glad it wasn't the Vikes...

eagle13 · Post #7 » by **eagle13** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:35 pm

Jollay wrote:Glad it wasn't the Vikes...

Amen! Seems Vikes went brain dead? I mean 2nd for Cassell (& Vrabel) >>>>> 4th for Sage

xTitan · Post #8 » by **xTitan** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:17 pm

DrugBust wrote:It's Vrabel and Cassell for the #34. Great deal for the Chiefs to say the least.

That is unreal...wow.

mnstinks · Post #9 » by **mnstinks** » Sun Mar 1, 2009 3:13 pm

Hilarious...I was listening to MN sports talk radio awhile back and some fans were willing to give up a 1st and third or the two firsts for the franchise tag, and now KC gets him for a 2nd?!?

blueedwards · Post #10 » by **blueedwards** » Mon Mar 2, 2009 4:13 pm

Why would Pats turn down 12th pick for Cassel?

March 1, 2009 12:25 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Tim Graham

Circumstances surrounding the Matt Cassel trade keep getting curiouser and curiouser.

The more we learn, the more inexplicable it gets.

The New England Patriots sent Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel to the Kansas City Chiefs for the 34th overall selection in this year's draft, compensation that seemed a little weak on the surface.

ESPN's Chris Mortensen has since reported there was a much better offer on the table, that the Patriots passed on the 12th overall pick in a three-way trade that would've sent Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

The Patriots did business with Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, who for the previous nine years worked closely with Bill Belichick in the Patriots' front office. It must be noted new Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels was Belichick's offensive coordinator in New England.

Mort and I have exchanged a few e-mails on the subject. Here is how he broke down the proposed three-way deal:

This one defies logic, but a source I really trust tells me it's true: The Broncos were willing to offer their own first-round pick (12th overall) to the Patriots for Cassel. Obviously, it was conditional upon Cutler being traded and Tampa Bay was the most likely destination, the Bucs willing to part with their first- and third-round picks.

But Belichick never embraced a trade with the Broncos, even though it was a head-scratcher on the value part (second-rounder versus a first-rounder). It suggests two or three speculative thoughts:

1. Belichick has always valued second-round picks (he now has three) and didn't want to be stuck at No. 12 financially for whatever reason;
2. Belichick had an agreement with Pioli all along and wouldn't break his word;
3. Belichick isn't about to help another former assistant.

The Broncos sensed resistance all along, which is why they held the Bucs, Lions, Vikings, etc., at arm's length and allows McDaniels his plausible deniability on trading Cutler (and logic supports his denial).

However, despite intense efforts to keep this run at Cassel under wraps, enough damage has been done that Cutler may now be on the block.

The Broncos/Cutler aspect of the trade was reported by the Boston Globe. A Patriots' leak? Why? To mess with McDaniels?

Mort is correct. The information is astounding.

Several citizens of Patriot Nation have written into my AFC East mailbag and left notes in the comments section that Belichick didn't want a first-round pick for Cassel, that a second-rounder is more financially palatable.

Ridiculous, I say. The Patriots had the No. 10 pick last year and were highly successful with it, selecting defensive rookie of the year Jerod Mayo, a franchise player who could anchor their defense for the next decade.

The No. 12 pick is a commodity. The Patriots might've traded it for additional picks, dangling it on draft day to a team that has the hots for, say, quarterback Mark Sanchez, and doesn't want him to get away.

Mort left me with one last thought:

It is also interesting that Pioli made the trade without doing a deal with Cassel. This puts a lot of leverage on Cassel's side going forward. Then again, Pioli probably sensed Cassel would have preferred McDaniels and the Broncos for all the obvious reasons, which may have influenced negotiations in Cassel's favor anyway. AFC West rivalry revived here.

That's a lot to think about.

What do you think happened?

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast/0-6- ... ssel-.html

Post #11 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Mar 2, 2009 4:36 pm

Pioli and Belicek had an agreement. Tampa and Denver were a little late to the party and instead of working out a three way deal, Bill went ahead with the KC trade because of money and his relationship with Scott. The Pats were tight up against the cap and didn't want to risk KC taking their offer off the table. It cleared them somewhere between $14 and $16 million. I think if Bill had known then what he knows now, he would have waited that extra day. He just pulled the trigger a little early.