The Kobe Step Through

Zeitgeister · Post #261 » by **Zeitgeister** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 2:27 am

shaggyZ wrote:I am seriously not being sarcastic. I was dead wrong. No sarcasm. I could have just disappeared in humiliation but I'll come and admit how wrong I was.

That's cool, you have my respect for that.

sixerswillrule · Post #262 » by **sixerswillrule** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 2:41 am

This just doesn't add up. I've been playing and watching basketball for 12 years and I've always believed that this was a travel. I wouldn't have argued this for so long otherwise. I didn't just imagine this rule up. I'm not the only one who was under this impression. This is from experience watching and playing the game. I'm still going to look out for someone to actually pull this move in the league(more then what Kobe does or the common up and under), but I guess, until then, I'm wrong...

And mrfatwrecker, you're still a douchebag. Have fun with being that for the rest of your life. It's 973562 times worse then being wrong about one insignifcant detail.

shaggyZ · Post #263 » by **shaggyZ** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 2:52 am

I feel the same way. You would think that if it's legal like it does say in the rules that players would do it all the time but you never really see it. It seems like it would be a huge advantage and be used a lot. But according to all the rules I read everywhere on google, it's evidently legal. The only time I've seen it is when Kobe does it sometimes and I think once when I was bored watching some awful womens college basketball game and a girl did it I was like "OH MY GOD THAT WAS A TRAVEL" but it wasn't called then. I just thought the women's refs were as bad as the actual players.

marcroboy · Post #264 » by **marcroboy** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 3:05 am

There we go

I respect the fight you put up tho sixerswillrule.

garcia3 · Post #265 » by **garcia3** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 3:27 am

^^no iissshhh, but you know what, all this symbolizes is the lack of knowledge the american people have on the fundamentals of basketball. If you use Kobe's step through (as sixersrule called it) in a pick up game, some people may tell you it is a travel, since people rarely use this move and as a consequence of this they don't take full advantage of it.

But as someone said earlier, the fact that Kobe as a 2-guard takes full advantage of moves like the pivot is just a proves Kobe Bryant is one of the most (if not THE most) skilled player in the league.

sixerswillrule · Post #266 » by **sixerswillrule** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 3:35 am

I never denied Kobe's skills. I think he's amazing. I wasn't even talking about his move. He doesn't gain much of an advantage from using that move, and his non-pivot is only on the ground for a split second. I was talking about much more blatant, much more obvious moves that could and should be done, yet aren't. It's puzzling, to say the least.

garcia3 · Post #267 » by **garcia3** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 3:47 am

sixerswillrule wrote:I never denied Kobe's skills. I think he's amazing. I wasn't even talking about his move. He doesn't gain much of an advantage from using that move, and his non-pivot is only on the ground for a split second. I was talking about much more blatant, much more obvious moves that could and should be done, yet aren't. It's puzzling, to say the least.

well its because the refs suck...this is a way more blatant travel and it was not called, its sad really:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN_ljDfevB0

casey · Post #268 » by **casey** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 3:51 am

garcia3 wrote:well its because the refs suck...this is a way more blatant travel and it was not called, its sad really:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN_ljDfevB0

or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbUqK32ht3Y

doozyj · Post #269 » by **doozyj** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 4:03 am

Wow, now thats what I call manning up to being proven wrong. Sorry I said you fail at RealGM, you don't.

garcia3 · Post #270 » by **garcia3** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 4:17 am

casey wrote:
garcia3 wrote:well its because the refs suck...this is a way more blatant travel and it was not called, its sad really:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN_ljDfevB0

or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbUqK32ht3Y

well no, maybe it was a travel but it was not called because Kobe did not gain any advantage from that spinning move, he basically spinned away from the basket and proceeded to take a contested fall away jumper. He made the shot because he's just that great, but he didn't gain anything from that move at all.

The one the other guy showed where Kobe faked Ginobli and step through was way much more blatant, he switched pivot foot, stepped through and took a wide open lay-up, that indeed was a travel, and i'm a Kobe fan.

shaggyZ · Post #271 » by **shaggyZ** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 4:46 am

doozyj wrote:Wow, now thats what I call manning up to being proven wrong. Sorry I said you fail at RealGM, you don't.

hey, when you're wrong you're wrong.

casey · Post #272 » by **casey** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 4:47 am

garcia3 wrote:well no, maybe it was a travel but it was not called because Kobe did not gain any advantage from that spinning move, he basically spinned away from the basket and proceeded to take a contested fall away jumper. He made the shot because he's just that great, but he didn't gain anything from that move at all.

The one the other guy showed where Kobe faked Ginobli and step through was way much more blatant, he switched pivot foot, stepped through and took a wide open lay-up, that indeed was a travel, and i'm a Kobe fan.

The feet are pretty much exactly the same on those two. They're both pretty obvious travels. And he certainly gained an advantage. He got more separation from the defenders, making it easier to get the shot off. It was still an incredible play though.

mrfatwrecker · Post #273 » by **mrfatwrecker** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 5:56 am

sixers insulting me, especially after admitting he's wrong, well that just takes the cake. he doesn't respect his opponents. He probably called the Lakers douchebags after they pinched a fat loaf on his sixers and kept Iverson in no-ring land.

Anyways, I'm doin just fine, I'm takin my douchebag skills to law school in August. Have fun flunking out of community college.

You're wrong.

Dr Aki · Post #274 » by **Dr Aki** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 6:14 am

i cant believe this thread went 20 pages simply because there was a fundamental misunderstanding about when a pivot foot is actually established

the fundamental rule that is a travel is taking 3 steps without a dribble, not the changing of a pivot foot

the entire pivot foot travelling ruling was written so that you can't establish your second step as your pivot foot without a third step (it re-touching the floor, not just leaving the floor) after establishing it the first step as your pivot with your second step

at least the two most hardnosed naysayers finally buckled under weight of evidence, and the latter only grudgingly did it because the other one finally admitted he was in the wrong and still tried to justify why he thought he was right then went on to attack someone for being right

Gutter92 · Post #275 » by **Gutter92** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 1:53 pm

Whenever I do a crab dribble, people call it travel...what can I do about that? :-?

Frosty · Post #276 » by **Frosty** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 2:03 pm

garcia3 wrote:
casey wrote:
garcia3 wrote:well its because the refs suck...this is a way more blatant travel and it was not called, its sad really:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN_ljDfevB0

or this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbUqK32ht3Y

well no, maybe it was a travel but it was not called because Kobe did not gain any advantage from that spinning move, he basically spinned away from the basket and proceeded to take a contested fall away jumper. He made the shot because he's just that great, but he didn't gain anything from that move at all.

There is nothing in the rule book that says "if the player didn't gain an advantage it's not a travel...."

He pivoted, brought his pivot foot around and off the ground, put his pivot foot down (travelled) and then went up for a shot. And yes he gained seperation from his defenders that he ran into so even if there was such a rule he would sill be guilty.

If it looks to good to be true it probably is.

Rasho Brezec · Post #277 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 3:54 pm

Gutter92 wrote:Whenever I do a crab dribble, people call it travel...what can I do about that?

Change your name to Lebron James.

sixerswillrule · Post #278 » by **sixerswillrule** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 4:44 pm

mrfatwrecker wrote:sixers insulting me, especially after admitting he's wrong, well that just takes the cake. he doesn't respect his opponents. He probably called the Lakers douchebags after they pinched a fat loaf on his sixers and kept Iverson in no-ring land.

Anyways, I'm doin just fine, I'm takin my douchebag skills to law school in August. Have fun flunking out of community college.

You're wrong.

How many people disagreed with me? And how many people did I insult? Figure that one out...

sixerswillrule · Post #279 » by **sixerswillrule** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 4:46 pm

Akiho wrote:then went on to attack someone for being right

No, I attacked him for being a douche bag for 15 pages. Several others were right, I didn't say anything to them...

garcia3 · Post #280 » by **garcia3** » Wed Mar 4, 2009 4:02 am

Frosty wrote:
garcia3 wrote:well no, maybe it was a travel but it was not called because Kobe did not gain any advantage from that spinning move, he basically spinned away from the basket and proceeded to take a contested fall away jumper. He made the shot because he's just that great, but he didn't gain anything from that move at all.

There is nothing in the rule book that says "if the player didn't gain an advantage it's not a travel...."

He pivoted, brought his pivot foot around and off the ground, put his pivot foot down (travelled) and then went up for a shot. And yes he gained seperation from his defenders that he ran into so even if there was such a rule he would sill be guilty.

If it looks to good to be true it probably is.

i know the rule book doesn't say anything about gaining advantage, i just posted the reason why it wasn't called by the ref. He should have been called for the travel though