Millsap

aad · Post #1 » by **aad** » Mon Mar 2, 2009 4:09 pm

What is he worth because if boozer or okur doesnt opt out you guys can loose him

Ming Kong! · Post #2 » by **Ming Kong!** » Mon Mar 2, 2009 5:22 pm

I think the Jazz are going to offer +/- 10M a year. Sort of depends on what they plan on doing with Boozer. If they dump Boozer, maybe they'll spend as much as 12+M a year, but if they keep Boozer they'll probably try to retain him for 10M or less, and maybe even short term. The Jazz need to see if Okur can maintain his 20ppg 9rpg form with Boozer, cause if he can't he may need to be dumped, and then we'd definitely keep Millsap. With it looking more and more like we're going to loose our 1st round pick (top 22 protected), we need some backup, so I think the Jazz will try to retain the two, hopefully Boozer chooses to take his player option.

Anyways, the basic point I'm trying to make is that the Jazz will most likely offer Millsap the most as most teams are far more concerned in saving those $10-12M for the 2010 summer, while the Jazz are going to be concerned about retaining their players who when healthy make the Jazz contenders, also the Jazz are horrible at attracting free agents.

3960HOOD · Post #3 » by **3960HOOD** » Mon Mar 2, 2009 5:40 pm

10 mil year?? God No!!

David Ginola 14 · Post #4 » by **David Ginola 14** » Mon Mar 2, 2009 8:09 pm

3960HOOD wrote:10 mil year?? God No!!

10 milion...?
No thanks...

sendai91 · Post #5 » by **sendai91** » Mon Mar 2, 2009 8:43 pm

The issue is this - what will Memphis and Detroit offer? Those two will set the market for Milsap. I would imagine that they would come to the table with a 4 yr 25-30 mil offer, and Milsap's agent will ask for 4 yr 40 mil or 5 yr 45 mil. If either of them bite, and they may, then the Jazz have 7 days to decide whether or not they value Milsap that highly. My guess is that Milsap ends up with a 4-5 year, 34-44 million dollar offer that the Jazz decide to match and eat the salary tax for a year if Boozer doesn't opt out.

carrottop12 · Post #6 » by **carrottop12** » Mon Mar 2, 2009 9:04 pm

Millsap has been garbage lately and he's looking more like a 6-7 mil guy for the Jazz.

Batu7 · Post #7 » by **Batu7** » Mon Mar 2, 2009 9:25 pm

Personally, I wouldn't give more than 8-9 mil for him. What do you think about Okur and Boozer? Will they opt out?

erudite23 · Post #8 » by **erudite23** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 12:49 am

Not in this market, that's for damn sure. The guy might bank 9 mil a season. First of all, I just can't see him getting more than that in this market, and secondly, even if he did the Jazz would never match.

Utah has been very good in the past at not bidding against ourselves. Its cost us a time or two--most notably in the Raja Bell negotiation--but has saved us a lot of money over the long haul. As long as OKC or Detroit doesn't overpay, I have a hard time seeing Millsap in any other uniform besides a Jazz one come next season.

If I had to guess, I would say a 4 year 35m contract is in the offing.

carrottop12 · Post #9 » by **carrottop12** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 1:11 am

I'm guessing it's closer to a 3 year 21 million with an option (could be player or team) for an additional year at 7 or 8.

kebutah · Post #10 » by **kebutah** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 4:13 pm

I think he will get a contract in the midlevel range about $5M for 4 years.

majortripps69 · Post #11 » by **majortripps69** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 4:25 pm

5-6mil per season is about on par. I could see the Jazz doing a 4 year deal at those #'s.

hoops4life · Post #12 » by **hoops4life** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 4:46 pm

I don't think I want him for $10 mil.

Ming Kong! · Post #13 » by **Ming Kong!** » Tue Mar 3, 2009 6:28 pm

You guys do realize that in 24 games between December and January that Millsap averaged 17+ppg 11+rpg 2.8apg 1.4spg and .9bpg, you can't get that type of production for 5-6 milllion a year. $10M a year for a 23yr old 2nd rounder coming into his own is a fair price to pay. Maybe we can get him for a little less if continues to struggle or he doesn't get enough PT to impress opposing teams, but what matters most is to decide what we do with Okur and Boozer first, then make a decision on Millsap, because signing two PFs to long term $10+M/yr is pretty ridiculous.

kebutah · Post #14 » by **kebutah** » Wed Mar 4, 2009 2:33 am

You do realize that Milsap wore himself out while putting up those numbers and really has slowed down lately. Boozer puts up numbers like that across entire seasons. Milsap is anice player and Boozer is a great player=not in the same category of talent or worth.

erudite23 · Post #15 » by **erudite23** » Wed Mar 4, 2009 2:45 am

The most important thing is that Millsap has shown an inability to regularly get off his shot against longer players. I'm not just referring to the typical struggles that everyone has when presented with a long opponent. Everyone struggles with length to some extent, but Millsap just can't be a go-to type because of the way that longer defenders affect him.

He can still be a 16-10 type of player, and that is certainly worth somewhere around 9 or 10 mill a year, but I don't think he will ever be a star, sadly. Not just that, but can he take the pounding that his style of play inflicts on his body. I think you may have seen the worst possible situation happen for Millsap: that is to say, a huge stretch followed by a complete disappearance.

The worst thing you ever would want to deal with is increased expectations followed by devastating failure. If Millsap were to go to another team for big money (raised expectations), have an excellent pre season and TC (raised expectations) and then a strong start to they year (raised even further), followed by a stretch of games like the one he's been in for the last month and a half or so, it would be an absolute PR nightmare for the team involved, especially if they didn't have anywhere to turn for alternate production. Its just too big a risk, and now there is concrete evidence to suggest that that is exactly what will happen if a team gives him big bucks.

I love the guy, but in this economic climate, a team simply CANNOT afford to give their bread-winner money to someone who isn't bankable. It would be better if they didn't get anyone at all and saved the money entirely.

If the Jazz can get him for 8mil or less a year, I think we take that deal. There is no way he gets signed for the MLE, though. That is a ridiculous assesment.

kebutah · Post #16 » by **kebutah** » Wed Mar 4, 2009 2:02 pm

Milsap reminds me of Malik Rose when playing for the Spurs. He was an undersized good backup putting up good stats with hustle and heart. Then he signed a bigger deal with the Knicks and never lived up to the signing. More minutes made the hustling harder and exposed his shortcomings. It looks like only five teams (Detriot, Atlanta, Minnesota, Memphis, Portland) will be under the projected cap which means the mid-level is the most logical choice for his salary. Of those five teams only Detroit and Memphis appear to have more than $5M under the cap. It is not just a question of skill but availability of money that will determine his salary

Warspite · Post #17 » by **Warspite** » Wed Mar 4, 2009 8:48 pm

I wouldnt be shocked to see Detroit offer between 8-11mil per. On the Pistons board we are talking about making a big offer for Milsap and then offering to take Boozer in a salary dump so Utah can keep him Milsap or force the Jazz into lux tax or even taking both players. The Pistons have the cap space to take any 2 of Okur, Sap, Boozer. My guess is that they get at least and this board seems to go back and forth as to which is most valuable.

If Milsap is going to sign for the MLE then the Pistons could take all 3 of them from the Jazz

erudite23 · Post #18 » by **erudite23** » Wed Mar 4, 2009 8:57 pm

Yeah, that's a good comparison, except that Rose never cleared 47% FGs, only played over 20mpg in SA, once, wasn't as good a rebounder and never posted a PER of above 16.5 (in a year in which he met the minimum minutes played threshold), and didn't sign the big money contract with NY until he was over 30, after which his game *gasp* began to fall of dramatically.

Sorry, not to be harsh or anything, but I get a little irritated at that comparison. Yes, both were similarly sized PFs who got by on heart and hustle, but Millsap's performance has been much better than Rose's was in his first 3 years, and he has already played more minutes this year than Rose ever played.

While the caution of overpaying undersized PFs is a good one, the Rose/Millsap comparison is wildly off base in many ways. That's like saying that Dwight Howard is as good as Shaq, except that Shaq scored 7-9 more ppg, rebounded just as well or better, shot the ball better, blocked more shots and passed the ball more proficiently. Similarities? Sure. But there are some extreme differences as well. Millsap is already a much better player than Rose ever was.

Post #19 » by **jazzfan1971** » Wed Mar 4, 2009 9:15 pm

I doubt we give him more than 7mil per.

GP · Post #20 » by GP » Thu Mar 5, 2009 2:10 am

kebutah wrote:You do realize that Milsap wore himself out while putting up those numbers and really has slowed down lately. Boozer puts up numbers like that across entire seasons. Milsap is anice player and Boozer is a great player=not in the same category of talent or worth.

Great point, GM will look at millsap and wonder how he is going to be their starter for a WHOLE season, if he is breaking down after a half a season. Not to mention the economy is in shambles and the offseason will be like the trade deadline, team are looking to cut payroll. Just read on ESPN that players like Iverson, Wallace...etc, might only garner the mid-level exception (or closer to it) because of the economy. I would place Millsap in the $6-7mil range.