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Re: Hammond Speaks-Season Ticket holder event 

Post#281 » by EastSideBucksFan » Tue Mar 3, 2009 4:13 am

paul wrote:Just wanted to say old skool and ESBF were on fire in the middle of this thread.


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They didn't really say anything other than "Trust in Hammond! He'll pull a rabbit out of his hat!"


I have not agreed with all of Hammonds moves.

I'm just not ready to set the guy on fire and throw him off a cliff cause we're not two steps away from a championship yet.
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Post#282 » by emunney » Tue Mar 3, 2009 4:29 am

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paul wrote:Just wanted to say old skool and ESBF were on fire in the middle of this thread.


this brings up something i've been paying attention to recently, the people that take the time out to point out when they think someone has made a good post, never ever, ever, say it about a post they don't agree with

ever


Yeah, that's not true. Good post, though.
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Re: Hammond Speaks-Season Ticket holder event 

Post#283 » by GrandAdmiralDan » Tue Mar 3, 2009 6:46 am

jerrod wrote:
paul wrote:Just wanted to say old skool and ESBF were on fire in the middle of this thread.


this brings up something i've been paying attention to recently, the people that take the time out to point out when they think someone has made a good post, never ever, ever, say it about a post they don't agree with

ever


I can only speak for myself, but in my case that is not true.

I wish I could remember which thread it was now (to use as an example) but as recently as yesterday or the day before I recall telling someone that they making a good point and a good argument but I happened to disagree with it.

But even so, I know it isn't something I do often. Somewhat along the lines of what paul said, it would be kind of unnatural to frequently praise opposing viewpoints.

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jerrod wrote:this brings up something i've been paying attention to recently, the people that take the time out to point out when they think someone has made a good post, never ever, ever, say it about a post they don't agree with

ever


Yeah, that's not true. Good post, though.


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Re: Hammond Speaks-Season Ticket holder event 

Post#284 » by Sigra » Tue Mar 3, 2009 2:17 pm

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Mid-round draft picks are regularly bought for 3 million or less. I'm unsure why a team would want to buy one for 6.5 million (Ridnour's contract) from us.


So Ridnour is worthless? He is overpaid by 6.5 million??? Is that your honest opinion???
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Post#285 » by trwi7 » Tue Mar 3, 2009 2:18 pm

europa wrote:2. Watching a team win 45 games and make the playoffs for the next two years and then hopefully take a big step in 2011


Great. I can't wait for our 16-4 finish to get to 45 wins. I also can't wait for next year when we get to 45 wins. Hopefully Redd, Bogut and Jefferson will play all 82 games so we can achieve that glorious goal.
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Post#286 » by trwi7 » Tue Mar 3, 2009 2:23 pm

Sigra wrote:
midranger wrote:
Mid-round draft picks are regularly bought for 3 million or less. I'm unsure why a team would want to buy one for 6.5 million (Ridnour's contract) from us.


So Ridnour is worthless? He is overpaid by 6.5 million??? Is that your honest opinion???


Where did he say that? He said you can regularly buy mid 1st round picks for $3 million or less (Phoenix comes to mind as a team that sells draft picks), so if you're a team wanting another 1st round pick, why wouldn't you go to a team looking to just sell their pick first before going to the Bucks who are trying to attach Ridnour as well.

Total cost of buying a mid round pick for $3 million, $4,623,720 (don't know if that's the total, I'm just using the 15th pick and his first year salary as an example)

Total cost of taking Ridnour plus the 15th pick, $8,123,720

Total savings, $3,500,000.
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Re: Hammond Speaks-Season Ticket holder event 

Post#287 » by Sigra » Tue Mar 3, 2009 2:26 pm

trwi7 wrote:
Sigra wrote:
midranger wrote:
Mid-round draft picks are regularly bought for 3 million or less. I'm unsure why a team would want to buy one for 6.5 million (Ridnour's contract) from us.


So Ridnour is worthless? He is overpaid by 6.5 million??? Is that your honest opinion???


Where did he say that? He said you can regularly buy mid 1st round picks for $3 million or less (Phoenix comes to mind as a team that sells draft picks), so if you're a team wanting another 1st round pick, why wouldn't you go to a team looking to just sell their pick first before going to the Bucks who are trying to attach Ridnour as well.

Total cost of buying a mid round pick for $3 million, $4,623,720 (don't know if that's the total, I'm just using the 15th pick and his first year salary as an example)

Total cost of taking Ridnour plus the 15th pick, $8,123,720

Total savings, $3,500,000.


Ridnour doesn't have career ending injury. So when you trade for him you don't look at him only as a contract cost because if you do then you think he is worthless as a basketball player
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Post#288 » by trwi7 » Tue Mar 3, 2009 2:43 pm

Right, but teams that have the cap space to absorb his contract don't want him. They're rebuilding teams, they could care less about a veteran, mediocre starting PG.
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Post#289 » by randy84 » Tue Mar 3, 2009 2:48 pm

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randy84 wrote:As for players better than RJ and Redd who would Milwaukee be able to attract?

Are you serious? Less than a month after we could have had Amare Stoudamire for cap space and a small asset, you're questioning whether it has any value?


I must've missed when the Bucks could have gotten Amare. Last I looked, the Suns turned down much better offers for Amare than anything the Bucks could ever offer.
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Post#290 » by Sigra » Tue Mar 3, 2009 2:52 pm

trwi7 wrote:Right, but teams that have the cap space to absorb his contract don't want him. They're rebuilding teams, they could care less about a veteran, mediocre starting PG.


Even if they don't want him they can always trade him letter because he is NOT wortless
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Post#291 » by trwi7 » Tue Mar 3, 2009 2:57 pm

Sigra, why would they trade for him if they don't have to? Would you want to pay for something you didn't want?
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Post#292 » by Sigra » Tue Mar 3, 2009 2:59 pm

trwi7 wrote:Sigra, why would they trade for him if they don't have to? Would you want to pay for something you didn't want?


Ridnour + 1st round pick for 2nd round pick is just great trade for any team that has enough money under cup. You get more value and more talent period
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Post#293 » by trwi7 » Tue Mar 3, 2009 3:01 pm

Sigra wrote:
trwi7 wrote:Sigra, why would they trade for him if they don't have to? Would you want to pay for something you didn't want?


Ridnour + 1st round pick for 2nd round pick is just great trade for any team that has enough money under cup. You get more value and more talent period


Teams under the cap are rebuilding. They don't want mediocre veterans on $6.5 million contracts. They'd much rather see if a team is just willing to sell their pick. If a team is willing to do that, that's the route they would go first.
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Post#294 » by Sigra » Tue Mar 3, 2009 3:04 pm

trwi7 wrote:
Sigra wrote:
trwi7 wrote:Sigra, why would they trade for him if they don't have to? Would you want to pay for something you didn't want?


Ridnour + 1st round pick for 2nd round pick is just great trade for any team that has enough money under cup. You get more value and more talent period


Teams under the cap are rebuilding. They don't want mediocre veterans on $6.5 million contracts. They'd much rather see if a team is just willing to sell their pick. If a team is willing to do that, that's the route they would go first.


Ok then. Let them try that route and when they fail we will offer our route
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Post#295 » by LISTEN2JAZZ » Tue Mar 3, 2009 5:35 pm

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adamcz wrote:
randy84 wrote:As for players better than RJ and Redd who would Milwaukee be able to attract?

Are you serious? Less than a month after we could have had Amare Stoudamire for cap space and a small asset, you're questioning whether it has any value?


I must've missed when the Bucks could have gotten Amare. Last I looked, the Suns turned down much better offers for Amare than anything the Bucks could ever offer.

Reports were that Cleveland could have had him for Wally's contract and additional assets (but honestly what additional assets do they have after Lebron and Mo?). We know that they held a veterans meeting to get player input on whether the trigger shold be pulled, and they decided not to.

So my question for you is, if the Bucks had cap space to absorb Amare, what else would we have to add in order to match whatever Cleveland could have been offering? Hickson and a pick in the late 20's? You don't think we could have come up with something as valuable as Amir Johnson part 2 a #27 draft pick?
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Post#296 » by Ayt » Tue Mar 3, 2009 7:45 pm

Sigra wrote:
Ok then. Let them try that route and when they fail we will offer our route


With so many teams unexpectedly up against the luxury cap, it won't be hard to find teams that want to sell their 1st rounder and get rid of that guaranteed contract that comes with it.
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Post#297 » by randy84 » Tue Mar 3, 2009 9:55 pm

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randy84 wrote:
I must've missed when the Bucks could have gotten Amare. Last I looked, the Suns turned down much better offers for Amare than anything the Bucks could ever offer.

Reports were that Cleveland could have had him for Wally's contract and additional assets (but honestly what additional assets do they have after Lebron and Mo?). We know that they held a veterans meeting to get player input on whether the trigger shold be pulled, and they decided not to.

So my question for you is, if the Bucks had cap space to absorb Amare, what else would we have to add in order to match whatever Cleveland could have been offering? Hickson and a pick in the late 20's? You don't think we could have come up with something as valuable as Amir Johnson part 2 a
#27 draft pick?


Actually, reports were that once Porter was fired, the Suns wanted to keep Amare. Plus, Cleveland wasn't the only team interested in Amare and didn't offer the best package. Chicago was offering Gooden, Thomas, and a pick. The reality was that once Porter got the ax, the Suns wanted to keep their team and return to the run and gun style of last year.

So no, I don't think the Bucks could have offered anything short of Bogut, RJ, LRMAM and a number 1 pick to get Amare, even if we had cap room.
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Re: Hammond Speaks-Season Ticket holder event 

Post#298 » by midranger » Tue Mar 3, 2009 10:42 pm

Sigra, Ridnour is in no way, shape, or form worth 6.5 million dollars. The myth that he's been good for us has somehow permeated this board. He was awful in his two October games. He was pathetically awful in all of November. He was very good in December. He was below average in January. He's was injured and awful in February. He's sucked this year, just like he's sucked the last two years.

That said, it's more than the simple 6.5 million that they'd pay him. It's that cost, PLUS the cost of losing the opportunity to spend 6.5 million on a better player. If you but a pick for 3 million, that 3 million doesn't count against your cap. But if you buy a pick for Luke Ridnour, you're not only losing an addition 3.5 million, but you're also losing 2/3 of the salary to absorb Marcus Camby.

There is a HUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference there, which is why we'll be trying to trade Ridnour in the first place. He is certainly a negative in any trade for cap space.
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Post#299 » by smauss » Mon Jun 8, 2009 8:55 pm

I just thought that I'd bump this thread up to recount who's who in the Sessions & CV walking for nothing discussion. Obviously, this was not the first debate/discussion on this issue but as the draft approaches and the summer comes near I thought it might be interesting to revisit this.

DB's post in the "Session's Will He Return" thread prompted my brain to go back and find this..... Thanks DB! :-)
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Re: Hammond Speaks-Season Ticket holder event 

Post#300 » by paulpressey25 » Mon Jun 8, 2009 9:13 pm

Great bump. I'll go back and read this tonight. I want to see how Sessions and CV both did in the subsequent six-weeks after this thread.
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