The RealGM Wizards Board Draft Thread 2008/2009

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Thabeet looked outstanding early against Notre Dame.

He covered Harangody all the way out at the three point line and didn't get beat or go for any fakes.

CCJ, cnnsi got a good article on Sam Young one of your fellow Friendly Patriots.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/the_bonus/02/26/sam.young/index.html

"Sam has always been a terrific athlete, but he's worked on his skills so much that now you can't leave him alone on the perimeter," said Georgetown coach John Thompson III, who tried to recruit Young out of Friendly High in Clinton, Md. "

I know why JT III didn't get him. He went to the wrong town.

Last time I checked 10000 Allentown Road was located in Fort Washington (was called Oxon Hill way back in the day).

Clinton, Maryland???? Thompson probably ended up at Surrattsville and couldn't find anybody that could play there.

Terps and Hoyas recruiters need to use GPS or Mapquest.

[Ruzious]

Couple of thoughts:

Regarding Danny Green. Ruz, I'm not saying Green wouldn't be a bad 2nd rd pick, I just don't see the guy as a real difference maker. Honestly, ever since Hughes left, I've wanted another ball handler with Gil in the backcourt. I've seen Gil have no problem playing off the ball with either Hughes or AD in the game. See no reason why he couldn't do so again. Gil can dominate the rock but he doesn't need to nor should he. I want a shot creator and guy that can initiate the offense alongside Gil. I think that takes pressure off of Gil to be this pure PG which he is not. It's sorta like pairing a combo guard with another combo guard. It's a good fit to the puzzle.

Thing is - when Hughes left, he was replaced by Caron as the 2nd creator - and if you got yet another player like that, you can't keep them all productive. And if Young is kept on the roster, he's useless without the ball in his hands. Besides that, Green is a good ball-handler. A player like Hughes would no longer be a good fit - simply because the Wiz have Butler to be the 2nd option - and they do not have spot up jump shooters that can consistently hit the 3. They need that to make their offense more efficient. And they need to add a great defender. Green is made to order perfectly for both needs.

[heelsfan]

I don't quite get the fascination with Danny Green. Sure, he might be a darn good pick for a 2nd rounder by why in the world are we looking for the next DeShawn Stevenson? Sure, Green can hit the open 3 & play solid D but can he create off the dribble? Can he rebound well for an SG? Can he finish in the paint?

I'm a Carolina fan, and I see him quite regularly. You mentioned some of his positives which are spot on. A question you asked was can he rebound. He can give you 6-8 rebounds on any night. Ball-handling is a issue. Not an over-whelming athlete but decent. I wouldn't take him to replace a starter but to come off the bench for 10-15 a night yeah. Hope that helps.

[Dat2U]

Thing is - when Hughes left, he was replaced by Caron as the 2nd creator - and if you got yet another player like that, you can't keep them all productive. And if Young is kept on the roster, he's useless without the ball in his hands. Besides that, Green is a good ball-handler. A player like Hughes would no longer be a good fit - simply because the Wiz have Butler to be the 2nd option - and they do not have spot up jump shooters that can consistently hit the 3. They need that to make their offense more efficient. And they need to add a great defender. Green is made to order perfectly for both needs.

I have to disagree with Caron being a creator on offense. I view him as more of a facilitator. Yes he can handle the rock but creating off the dribble isn't Caron's strong point. He's not breaking down his man, getting into the lane and creating easy shots for himself or others. He uses his dribble to create space for his jumper. Caron has also developed into a fine passer but I'm not sure if I'm totally comfortable with him as the 2nd ballhandler in the lineup.

Green seems more of a natural swing man (SG/SF type) as opposed to a pure SG that handles the ball well. I agree with the above poster. Green looks like a spot contributor on the next level. 10-15 minutes a game. I just don't see him as NBA starter, and even if he is, unless he's the 2nd coming of Shane Battier (which he isn't IMO) I don't think he's an asset for a team as a starter.

Like I said in another post somewhere, I think Dom McGuire is our best candidate for that role playing wing player. He may not hit the 3 but he's pretty darned good at rebounding & defense and his shot is improving. I don't see a huge need for another role playing SG.

I'll agree with you on Young though. He is useless without the ball in his hands and honestly I wouldn't hestitate to package him with a bad contract or two and move him to another team. I don't think he's ever going to be more than a streaky shooter who brings little else to the table.

[nate33]

I'll agree with you on Young though. He is useless without the ball in his hands and honestly I wouldn't hestitate to package him with a bad contract or two and move him to another team. I don't think he's ever going to be more than a streaky shooter who brings little else to the table.

I've come around to this viewpoint as well. Package Stevenson with Young and send them away for contracts that expire by 2010. Ideally, we get a decent player back - somebody like John Salmons or Mike Miller. But ultimately, I'd take a lesser player like a Maurice Evans or Sasha Pavlovic if that's all we could get.

[Da HomeTeam]

Thabeet looked outstanding early against Notre Dame.

He covered Harangody all the way out at the three point line and didn't get beat or go for any fakes.

CCJ, cnnsi got a good article on Sam Young one of your fellow Friendly Patriots.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/the_bonus/02/26/sam.young/index.html

"Sam has always been a terrific athlete, but he's worked on his skills so much that now you can't leave him alone on the perimeter," said Georgetown coach John Thompson III, who tried to recruit Young out of Friendly High in Clinton, Md. "

Whoever wrote that article probaly just picked a suburb in PG County. Young grew up in S.E...those city transplants that move to PG County to play ball public school ball usually go to Potomac, Oxon Hill, or Friendly. I can't imagine that he lived all the way in Clinton they would've made him go to Surrattsville. Friendly's football team got in trouble cuz a couple of the boys lived outside the area. Friendly has one of the best athletic programs in PG County so its a not a reach that he snuck in bust I'm guessing that was the writer being lazy. Who knows.
I know why JT III didn't get him. He went to the wrong town.

Last time I checked 10000 Allentown Road was located in Fort Washington (was called Oxon Hill way back in the day).

Clinton, Maryland???? Thompson probably ended up at Surrattsville and couldn't find anybody that could play there.

Terps and Hoyas recruiters need to use GPS or Mapquest.

[nate33]

I watched Evan Turner of Ohio State play Iowa last night. Turner is a legit 6-7 with looooong arms. He scored 22 points, dished 9 assists, grabbed 5 boards and blocked a shot. He is a very cerebral player who has a NBA body and good athleticism. He is essentially a 6-7 point guard. He ran the offense every play down the stretch. His game kinda reminds me of Grant Hill, except he's not as freakishly athletic. Grant Hill had one of the quickest first steps in NBA history.

[nate33]

In other news, my favorite SG prospect, Gerald Henderson, posted 21 points, 10 boards and 5 assists while scoring 9 points in the final 2 minutes to secure the win against Florida State.

[WizarDynasty]

anyone that watched the maryland versus wake knows that Aminu is the real deal. Aminu is basically a supercharged dmac. Aminu is basically a bigger version of DMAC able to guard p/g and s/g on the perimeter but also dominates the paints. A combo of Dmac, Arenas, and Aminu would make the wiz the best defensive team in the league. DMAC and Aminu would immediately shut down any elite offensive players in the eastern conference and allow Arenas to take over offensively. Allwoing Jamison, Caron to sub more offensive fire power at select points in the game. But in every eastern conference matchup Aminu guarding the s/f and DMAc guarding the point with arenas guarding s/g is always going to be in our favor.

[badinage]

But his lateral acceleration, I want to hear about his lateral acceleration ...

[closg00]

anyone that watched the maryland versus wake knows that Aminu is the real deal. Aminu is basically a supercharged dmac. Aminu is basically a bigger version of DMAC able to guard p/g and s/g on the perimeter but also dominates the paints. A combo of Dmac, Arenas, and Aminu would make the wiz the best defensive team in the league. DMAC and Aminu would immediately shut down any elite offensive players in the eastern conference and allow Arenas to take over offensively. Allwoing Jamison, Caron to sub more offensive fire power at select points in the game. But in every eastern conference matchup Aminu guarding the s/f and DMAc guarding the point with arenas guarding s/g is always going to be in our favor.

The way that this draft is shaping-up, the top picks after Griff is pretty wide-open. Monroe will be returning, Rubio's status is unclear so I'm betting that Aminu & Hill will be top-5 picks by draft day.

[Severn Hoos]

Actually, I think Green from UNC would be a fine complement - as he'd be the one defensive specialist we'd have who'd be a very good spot up 3 point shooter, but I got shot down in the draft thread.

You tawkin' to me? You tawkin' to me?!?!!



I figured I'd keep it here in the Draft thread, so here goes.

Maybe I am overthinking it (don't usually get accused of that around here ), but I just see Danny Green as a 10 minute per game role player in the NBA, vs. a significant starter/6th man/glue guy type of role player. I'd have no problem with him as our 2nd round pick - in many ways, I'd be more excited about him than Bill Walker or any number of other 2nd rounders that have sent posters' hearts aflutter in the past few drafts. But I don't think he'll have a huge impact on the team either way.

In fact, I've wanted to add a defensive swingman for years. Maybe it's from getting burned (I just KNEW that Bobby Jones was going to be that type of glue guy role player that we're talking about), but I've kind of given up projecting college role players into NBA role players (paging Marcus Dove).

I really have come to the conclusion that the majority of NBA role players were studs in HS/College, and had to learn to adjust - but the ones that did became very valuable to their teams. Even a guy like Dennis Rodman (someone mentioned here as the consummate role player - if not role model) had ridiculous stats in college (25 & 18 or something like that). Millsap led the nation in rebounding 2 or 3 times. Alabama gave us Derrick McKey and Robert Horry in quick succession - but each led their squads in college. Shane Battier was national player of the year and averaged just under 20 PPG as a Senior. And so on.

Only point here is that if Green goes from being a college role player (which I think we all agree he is right now) to a significant NBA role player ("glue guy", 30 MPG), it will be a path not followed very often, IMO. Could be semantics, how you define "college role player", but as a guy who's 4th on his team in scoring and 5th in rebounding - that would be unusual. OTOH, in the "what if" game, perhaps if Green had gone to a smaller school, he'd be the singular leader of his team, putting up ridiculous stats, and fit my imaginary profile perfectly. Or, in other words, I don't have the foggiest idea what I'm talking about.

If it makes you feel any better, I think we get a lot of what we're talking about from McGuire, so it may be a moot point anyway...

[Ruzious]

Sev, it wasn't just you. Don't flatter yourself. But seriously, the problem with the way you're thinking this through is that you're not looking at why he's this so-called role player - with role player I guess being defined as not being among the top 3 scorers on the team - correct me if I'm wrong on that definition. You gotta look at why - the answer lying in who's he playing with. Hansbrough - the ACC POY, Ty Lawson - a 1st round pick - possibly lotto, and Ellington - who I believe was a 1st HS All-American - and whose greatest asset is shooting. That's the reason - so it's irrelevant as to whether or not there have been other college role players that have succeeded in the NBA - at least for purposes of evaluating Green - hence the "thinking too much" comment.

We all like to use labels. Well, sometimes the labels end up being misleading. And that's probably the case here. Green actually fills up the boxscore better than most non-role playing NBA prospects. He actually does score - in spite of being the #4 option. His pace adjusted per 40 stats are 18.4 points on 52% FGs, 45% 3's, and 81% from the line, 6.2 rebounds, 3.8 assists v. 2.4 to's, 2.4 steals, and yes - 1.9 blocks. McGuire - on a much less talented team had 15.5 points per pace adjusted 40, and he's doing fine. I won't even look up Mba a Moute (sp?), because it'd likely make Dom look like World B Free. But again, in Moute's case, he played with a bunch of 1st round draft choices. He had to be a role player - and that experience as a role player has helped him be successful from day 1 in the NBA.

[mhd]

If we are taking a guard, take Teague. He's a better talent than Henderson. He's like Ellis.

[eltacoman]

yeah i dont know about Henderson he is a dukie
he would hate it here and want to be traded or somthing lol

[dobrojim]

If we are taking a guard, take Teague. He's a better talent than Henderson. He's like Ellis.

didn't get to watch the whole MD-WF game and I guess I saw the wrong half for
having a positive view of Teague. What I saw of him made me question whether
he'd be good pick in the top 10. But like I said, I missed whatever he did in the
second half when WF won the game. I want to see more of him. And Aminu.

[pancakes3]

i didn't see anything spectacular out of teague or aminu. Maryland lost the game more than Wake won. I will give prop to Wake's defense though. They were able to shut vasquez down. However in playing their zone, they let Dave freakin Neal drain 5 of 6 from three-land. I guess even Aminu's wingspan has limits. I thought it was weird that Wake went to zone after losing their center instead of sticking Aminu on Vaquez since Vas's play really make or breaks the game for Maryland.

[mhd]

Jordan Hill and Buddinger on TV tonight at 10:30 on CSN.

[dobrojim]

in the AZ games I've seen, Hill has looked a lot more like an NBA rotation player
than Budinger...that's a limited sample size though.

[Rafael122]

Watched about a half of the Arizona-Cal game, and Jordan Hill looks like the real deal. This guy can actually score inside the paint. None of those put backs or a bounce pass for a dunk, he can do that, but this guy actually has a low post presence. He has a sweet little hook that he has too.

If we don't get Griffin, I think the team would be satisfied with Hill.