Green Vs Griffin

BernardC · Post #1 » by **BernardC** » Thu Mar 5, 2009 5:48 pm

so We have seen so many trade talks about us giving up Green for that number 1 pick, which will be Griffin.

what I failed to see is, besides the Hometown boy hype, what good does this trade do us?
I mean, Green has been stepping up and playing great Bball. He has shown improvement and is a sure thing. he is not undersized at PF, he plays just fine.
Griffin on the other hand, is not proven. can he translate his game to the next level? will he be able to contribute right away when we need him?

We all know Green has hard time guarding bigger PFs, but it's not like Griffin is a defensive force, he will struggle against the same big PFs.

so I think it might not be wise for the franchise to trade out 2nd best player on the team for a unproven player.

just my 2 cents

mcmokken · Post #2 » by **mcmokken** » Thu Mar 5, 2009 8:00 pm

I agree. Doesn't make any sense. Hope we get Thabeet. Or Harden.

Post #3 » by **wizkid27** » Thu Mar 5, 2009 9:39 pm

I'm definitely not about to trade Green for Griffin and have stated most of my feelings about this more than once or twice.

However, on the side FOR trading Green for Griffin. Griffin is definitely more of a natural PF. While he isn't 7' or anything... he is huge, he is strong, he's a very good rebounder. I don't particularly like him, but to me it is undeniable that he would be more suited than Green to play a traditional PF role.

That said, if we get Thabeet and he works out well, then having Green play the non-traditional PF role that he's been playing the last couple of months would complement Thabeet and Durant both very well.

So yeah... if you're a huge fan of traditional positions, then I can see the appeal of making the bold move of trading a very young and very talented (and still proven) player like Green for an unproven stud like Griffin. But from my angle, Green and Durant have played amazingly well at the forward spots and getting a defensive/rebounding center next to them will help them to take that to the next level. Add in some further improvement by Russell and the right shooting guard that fits into the mix, and you've got a very young and very well formed team.

Big_Mac79 · Post #4 » by **Big_Mac79** » Thu Mar 5, 2009 9:47 pm

wizkid27 wrote:However, on the side FOR trading Green for Griffin. Griffin is definitely more of a natural PF. While he isn't 7' or anything... he is huge, he is strong, he's a very good rebounder. I don't particularly like him, but to me it is undeniable that he would be more suited than Green to play a traditional PF role.

We will see if he truly is huge when he gets measured
I am thinking that Jeff is actually taller than Griffin

Post #5 » by **wizkid27** » Thu Mar 5, 2009 10:23 pm

When I'm saying huge, I don't mean that he's going to tower over Green, but the kid just looks like a bull. He plays huge and uses his strength very well. I like Green more, but that is the one large edge I see him having on Jeff.

wiff · Post #6 » by **wiff** » Thu Mar 5, 2009 11:47 pm

I do agree the Griffin is more the traditional PF. And he is truly a banger, and I like his intensity.

But I'm betting he isn't taller than Green.

I'd still prefer to draft Thabeet and keep Green.

Again if you told me Griffin was going to spend most of his career at 20 and 10 and Thabeet would be at 8pts 10rebs and 3blocks, I'd still take Thabeet.

And interior shot blocking presence is needed so badly on this team.

sonic-ben · Post #7 » by **sonic-ben** » Thu Mar 5, 2009 11:55 pm

1. Westbrook
2. Thabo
3. Durant
4. Green
5. Thabeet ... 2009

6. Weaver
7. T Williams ... 2009
8 Collison

why trade anyone....

Post #8 » by **wizkid27** » Fri Mar 6, 2009 2:41 am

ben, I do agree... if the picks work out well, that team looks pretty solid. You could add in Krstic as another post player, and definitely a guy that would be a huge match-up change from Collison/Thabeet.

Williams isn't a guy that I think is going to help out a whole lot, but you seem to like him

I think we can probably find a mid-level type guy to fill in that backup swing man position.

big L · Post #9 » by **big L** » Fri Mar 6, 2009 3:10 pm

I'm not willing to break up our core... if only we had gone through with the Chandler trade!

wiff · Post #10 » by **wiff** » Sat Mar 7, 2009 1:00 am

big L wrote:I'm not willing to break up our core... if only we had gone through with the Chandler trade!

Chandler has been a beast on the offensive glass since the untrade went down.

I bet more than anything it was financial reasons they pulled the plug.

Post #11 » by **Worm Guts** » Sun Mar 8, 2009 8:12 pm

I can't believe anyone would seriously consider Thabeet over Griffin.

wiff · Post #12 » by **wiff** » Sun Mar 8, 2009 11:00 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I can't believe anyone would seriously consider Thabeet over Griffin.

Believe it!

Tell me what future NBA big man has Griffin gone up against this year?

And I'm asking that because there a few teams in the Big 12 I don't really follow. But off the top of my head I can't think of anyone else who is going to be a top 15 pick.

I think Griffin is a stud on the college level but his game is going to evaporate a bit when he jumps to the NBA. He's not a legit 6'10" and he bullies his way around in the paint. He is going to be giving up height and size to a lot of guys in the NBA.

And he doesn't have that 18ft jumper he can count on or a nice handle to blow by guys off the dribble.

7'3" with a 7'9" wingspan doesn't change.

Post #13 » by **Worm Guts** » Sun Mar 8, 2009 11:09 pm

He actually does have a nice handle and good passing ability. He's a tank on a trampoline. He's a potential perenial all-star and Thabeet a role player.

24K_Gold · Post #14 » by **24K_Gold** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:27 pm

i'm with worm on this one...no way t-bet is better than griff in any way shape or form.after seeing t-bet against some other qulity bigs,I am not impressed one bit.

as far as giving up green for griff...not so sure I would do that but it depends on what else that team throws in.

wiff · Post #15 » by **wiff** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:06 pm

24K_Gold wrote:i'm with worm on this one...no way t-bet is better than griff in any way shape or form.after seeing t-bet against some other qulity bigs,I am not impressed one bit.

as far as giving up green for griff...not so sure I would do that but it depends on what else that team throws in.

What quality big has Griffin gone up against this year that impressed you?

24K_Gold · Post #16 » by **24K_Gold** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:49 am

valid point wiff,he hasn't faced the blair's of the world...what i'm impressed with about griff is the way he beats double and tripple teams in various ways.he's also a good defender in his own right so that's where he gets the edge over t-bet...griff can do it on both sides of the court.

I admit that i'm somewhat bias being that I played for his dad in highschool and along with others used to terrorize blake and taylor after pratice but all that aside the kid is the real deal.the good thing about this is that everyone will get to see what griff can do against qulity bigs in the big dance if the sooners beat who they should beat along the way.

Assassin_1 · Post #17 » by **Assassin_1** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:28 am

I'm hoping you guys get Griffin and then trade Green for a center, maybe you can get a young guy like Horford? I wouldn't draft Thabeet I either trade the pick for some else before I do that if I was Presti. But
Thabeet
Green
Durant
Thabofalosha
Westbrook
But what if ya'll let the Chandler trade go through and draft Griffin?
Chandler
Griffin
Durant
Green
Westbrook
with Thabo, Weaver, and the other 4 draft pick coming off the bench.

wiff · Post #18 » by **wiff** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:37 pm

IMO Green is better than Horford, but what does Atlanta need with another 6'9" PF?

big L · Post #19 » by **big L** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:04 am

I really feel like we're just scratching the surface with Green's talent level, and I would hate to see him traded.

And I'm also beginning to fall more decidedly on the Harden side of things. His court awareness is just outstanding, and he really finds a way to put his imprint on the game whether he scores or not. If we had him and Green on the floor together, it would take so much pressure off of Westbrook.

TheOGJabroni · Post #20 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:47 pm

I was upset seeing the trade with Tyson Chandler rescinded like most were on this board. But it may have been a blessing cause now OKC won't have his somewhat overpaid contract and the chances are getting slimmer to get Blake Griffin anyway. Draft Thabeet who could potentially be similar in production to TC. Keep Jeff Green at the 4, and with the money saved from the trade that was rescinded sign a playmaking shooter to play the 2.

A core of KD, Green, Westbrook and Thabeet. Along with solid role players Thabo, Krstic, Weaver, even DJ White, and then a bunch of draft picks for this upcoming draft. This is going to be a solid team.