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Devise a #18 Trade down Scenario

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Devise a #18 Trade down Scenario 

Post#1 » by emperorjones » Sun Mar 8, 2009 12:21 am

I'm convinced that we are going to trade down out of #18. If its a solid receiver, safety or Right offensive tackle we want we can get them at the end of the 1st round or maybe in the case of a receiver in the 2nd round. Normally I'm against trading down. This year I'm hoping for it.

Last time we traded down (last time I remember) we traded down from our first-round pick (26th overall) to get the Buffalo Bills' second- and third-round selections (Nos. 42 and 73 overall). So dropping 16 spots got us an extra third round pick.

Here is the draft value chart:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670

I'd like to do a similar deal this year and trade out of the first round by dealing our #18 to Cleveland for their #36 and #50 (maybe we have to throw in a 5th round pick to make it work). A trade like this would give us the #36, #49, #50 in the 2nd round and #84 and #97 (assuming we get the end of the 3rd round compensatory pick) in the 3rd round.

3 second round picks could be just what this team needs. I think we could pick up a solid wide out (Kenny Britt :D or even a Heyward-Bey or Hakeem Nicks if they dropped out of the low first to the early second). With the #49 we could likely get one of the top 2 safeties and the #50 could land us a stud to play right tackle like Steven Beatty or Phil Loadholt.

If we left this draft with Britt(WR), William Moore(S), and Loadholt(OT) or their equivalents, I'd be clapping for JA all summer.

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Re: Devise a #18 Trade down Scenarios 

Post#2 » by Chewie » Sun Mar 8, 2009 12:52 am

I'll have to think about this one. It takes two to tango and just because we want to move down doesn't necessarily mean there's a dancing partner that's dying to get into that #18 slot. A Britt, Moore (or Chung), and Loadholt draft would be rather sweet though. Britt and Loadholt were my original prediction some time ago...
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Post#3 » by BuLLs>LiFe » Sun Mar 8, 2009 1:14 am

Is Moore's stock dropping? I saw some mocks earlier in the year that had him right in the middle of the first, or late first, now it seems he's pretty much in the middle of second.

I agree though. A Britt and Moore/Chung draft would be solid.
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Post#4 » by Chewie » Sun Mar 8, 2009 2:37 am

BuLLs>LiFe wrote:Is Moore's stock dropping? I saw some mocks earlier in the year that had him right in the middle of the first, or late first, now it seems he's pretty much in the middle of second.

I agree though. A Britt and Moore/Chung draft would be solid.


William Moore didn't have as strong a senior year as his junior year but I think that was partially because he was playing hurt. His senior bowl week didn't go great, either, I'm reading. He had a good combine so I think he'd be a steal in Rd2 if you can chalk up his senior year problems to injury since he was slated to go in Rd1 previously as you mentioned.
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Post#5 » by NoSkyy » Sun Mar 8, 2009 5:57 am

Is anyone else tempted by Mack? I want to take him if we could get a quality Tackle/WR in the second round. He's obviously the best C in the draft by far and if we could get him and groom him as the heir apparent I don't see why we don't jump on it.
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Post#6 » by WAYSA » Sun Mar 8, 2009 7:35 am

William Moore is a horrible fit.

Horrible in coverage. I have no clue how he got all those INT his junior year, but he's stiff in coverage and doesn't know how to wrap up.

I still laugh about how William Moore had a free kill shot on Arrelious "God" Benn this past season and Benn let him know whose house it was by going through him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5WcVKil ... re=related

It's the second play in that highlight reel. Moore was consistently bad all year. I want no part of him.
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Post#7 » by emperorjones » Sun Mar 8, 2009 12:20 pm

Haha - WAYSA, Didn't he hurt his ankle in the first game of the season then get a rib injury later on? Did you get a chance to see any of the other top rated safeties play this year?
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Post#8 » by Chewie » Sun Mar 8, 2009 2:34 pm

WAYSA wrote:William Moore is a horrible fit.

Horrible in coverage. I have no clue how he got all those INT his junior year, but he's stiff in coverage and doesn't know how to wrap up.

I still laugh about how William Moore had a free kill shot on Arrelious "God" Benn this past season and Benn let him know whose house it was by going through him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5WcVKil ... re=related

It's the second play in that highlight reel. Moore was consistently bad all year. I want no part of him.


:clap: Good find, WAYSA! I'm not going to base my opinion on one game but there were 3 plays in those clips where Moore looking pretty darn bad. Benn was shedding him with no problem. Bad tackling technique. He has been running well and his pro day saw him run in the 4.4's so he's climbing up draft charts to the point where he may not even be an option in the 2nd round.

There's always Delmas and Chung. Kiper was linking us to Delmas in a recent ESPN chat as a good cover 2 safety option.

2009 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:
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Louis Delmas, FS, Western Michigan
Delmas is a four year starter and three time all conference selection while playing at Western Michigan University who caped off an impressive senior season with an impressive performance at this year's Senior Bowl classic.

Delmas excels in coverage. Locks up tight ends man-to-man all over the field. He is also very fluid covering wide receivers. A smooth and fluid player, he almost looks like another cornerback. Smart and instinctive, Delmas does not get fooled by fakes or trick plays. He stays home and carries out assignments by the book. He is able to get a good jump on the ball and closes quicker than his 40 time (4.55 at the Combine). Delmas also has a knack for getting to the ball just in time; a natural ballhawk with hands and awareness.

Delmas lacks size and strength and is just not a great athlete. He is not a great line hitter and can be run over by big and aggressive runners. He tends to shy away from contact, and his level of competition is a concern.

There's no question Delmas is one of top two safeties in this draft class. A better football player than an athlete, he seems to be always around the ball. He is a mid-to-late second rounder at this time. Delmas carries a high bust/burst grade.
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Re: Devise a #18 Trade down Scenarios 

Post#9 » by Chi Dynasty12 » Sun Mar 8, 2009 9:22 pm

Bears #18 + #49
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Dolphins #25 + #44 + 4th

Grab Nicks and Delmas
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Post#10 » by Cliff Levingston » Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:30 pm

Per the Wiretap, the Giant may be looking to move up. According to the draft value chart, we could probably trade our #1 and #3 for the Giants' #1 (29) and their higher second (#46 overall). We'd then have the #29, #46 and #50 picks in the draft which would net us 3 really solid players:

29: WR Nicks/Britt
46: OL Britton/Loadholt/Robinson
50: S Cook
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Post#11 » by dingojazz » Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:25 pm

This would be a great draft to trade down. With so many needs and the top tier of players gone by the time we pick at #18. The best case scenario for the Bears is that someone falls in love with Josh Freeman, the QB from Kansas State.

I believe that both Stafford and Sanchez will be gone, and the Bucs are a threat to take a QB picking right after us. So I'm really hoping that someone will overpay to move up to 18, the Bears can pick up extra picks and maybe a day 1 pick next year as well.

Like with Brady Quinn its been shown that teams will overpay to move up for the QB they covet.
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Post#12 » by emperorjones » Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:52 pm

Assuming we get an extra 3rd round compensatory pick ,would anyone be in favor of trading our original third round pick along with our second round pick to move up to the top of the 2nd round? I think that would allow us to grab a top WR in the 1st round and one of the better OTs in the draft in the 2nd. Or in the alternative, draft whatever OT falls out of the top 10 or so (Andre Smith?) at #18 and then take the best WR on the board at the top of the 2nd round. We'd still have a 3rd round and all our other picks.

It would be really sweet if the compensatory pick we get from losing Berrian helped us move up in round two and grab a top receiver.
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Post#13 » by Cliff Levingston » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:38 pm

emperorjones wrote:Assuming we get an extra 3rd round compensatory pick ,would anyone be in favor of trading our original third round pick along with our second round pick to move up to the top of the 2nd round? I think that would allow us to grab a top WR in the 1st round and one of the better OTs in the draft in the 2nd. Or in the alternative, draft whatever OT falls out of the top 10 or so (Andre Smith?) at #18 and then take the best WR on the board at the top of the 2nd round. We'd still have a 3rd round and all our other picks.

It would be really sweet if the compensatory pick we get from losing Berrian helped us move up in round two and grab a top receiver.

Why not? We could basically use 3 starters right away at WR, OL and Safety. If we can grab two of those at the cost of one of two 3rd round picks, then by all means.
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Post#14 » by Friend_Of_Haley » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:40 pm

Right now the Bears could go in so many directions and their draft strategy could change dramatically based on who falls.

I hope this same suspense stays until the draft.
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