Are Stan And Jeff Van Gundy Complete Egomanicacs?

[Guy986]

Thats not true at all. JVG doesn't hate Euros. He hate Euros that suck. None of those guys with the exception of Oberto(who is a marginal role player at best) ever amounted to anything in the NBA. Take Yao Ming for instance. While Yao was not a euro, he spoke almost no english during his first couple of years in the NBA. JVG stuck with Yao and turned him into a dominant low post threat.

JVG always openly praise Dirk and Gasol. He loves players who are cerebral and experienced. JVG, like many of his peers, generally does not like playing rookies. It has nothing to do with their ethnicity or language skill.

I dont know anything about JVG's relationship with Weis. But knowing JVG, it would not shock me if he told Weis to get the fack off the team. Really? You have a plane to catch and you can only play the first half of a basketball game? I dont know any coach who will put up with that.

As for V-Span. I personally like him and JVG himself said Spanilous has alot of good qualities. There is no doubt in my mind that had V-span shut his mouth and work hard in his rookie year during practice, he would've been a key player in JVG's rotation for many years to come. The guy just doesn't know when to shut up. He thinks he's entitled to playing because he's the Tmac of Greece. JVG never promised him anything. It was the Rocket's ex-General Manager CD who promised him minutes on the team. Vspan couldn't handle not playing so he asked to go back to Europe to be with his mother.(true story) Maybe he really is the Tmac of Greece. Like the real Mcgrady, he's a quitter.

[KWSN-Men]

Thats not true at all. JVG doesn't hate Euros. He hate Euros that suck. None of those guys with the exception of Oberto(who is a marginal role player at best) ever amounted to anything in the NBA. Take Yao Ming for instance. While Yao was not a euro, he spoke almost no english during his first couple of years in the NBA. JVG stuck with Yao and turned him into a dominant low post threat.

JVG always openly praise Dirk and Gasol. He loves players who are cerebral and experienced. JVG, like many of his peers, generally does not like playing rookies. It has nothing to do with their ethnicity or language skill.

I dont know anything about JVG's relationship with Weis. But knowing JVG, it would not shock me if he told Weis to get the fack off the team. Really? You have a plane to catch and you can only play the first half of a basketball game? I dont know any coach who will put up with that.

As for V-Span. I personally like him and JVG himself said Spanilous has alot of good qualities. There is no doubt in my mind that had V-span shut his mouth and work hard in his rookie year during practice, he would've been a key player in JVG's rotation for many years to come. The guy just doesn't know when to shut up. He thinks he's entitled to playing because he's the Tmac of Greece. JVG never promised him anything. It was the Rocket's ex-General Manager CD who promised him minutes on the team. Vspan couldn't handle not playing so he asked to go back to Europe to be with his mother.(true story) Maybe he really is the Tmac of Greece. Like the real Mcgrady, he's a quitter.

But Camby is not a Euro player, neither are Bonzi Wells, Kirk Snyder, Steve Francis, or Cuttino Mobley. And it seems that all had some sort of problems with JVG also. As far as this Spanoulis issue perhaps it was a 50/50 issue. A player with NBA talent but a big head and a coach that doesn't like rookies.

[Guy986]

Thats not true at all. JVG doesn't hate Euros. He hate Euros that suck. None of those guys with the exception of Oberto(who is a marginal role player at best) ever amounted to anything in the NBA. Take Yao Ming for instance. While Yao was not a euro, he spoke almost no english during his first couple of years in the NBA. JVG stuck with Yao and turned him into a dominant low post threat.

JVG always openly praise Dirk and Gasol. He loves players who are cerebral and experienced. JVG, like many of his peers, generally does not like playing rookies. It has nothing to do with their ethnicity or language skill.

I dont know anything about JVG's relationship with Weis. But knowing JVG, it would not shock me if he told Weis to get the fack off the team. Really? You have a plane to catch and you can only play the first half of a basketball game? I dont know any coach who will put up with that.

As for V-Span. I personally like him and JVG himself said Spanilous has alot of good qualities. There is no doubt in my mind that had V-span shut his mouth and work hard in his rookie year during practice, he would've been a key player in JVG's rotation for many years to come. The guy just doesn't know when to shut up. He thinks he's entitled to playing because he's the Tmac of Greece. JVG never promised him anything. It was the Rocket's ex-General Manager CD who promised him minutes on the team. Vspan couldn't handle not playing so he asked to go back to Europe to be with his mother.(true story) Maybe he really is the Tmac of Greece. Like the real Mcgrady, he's a quitter.

And Camby is not a Euro player, neither are Bonzi Wells, Kirk Snyder, Steve Francis, or Cuttino Mobley. As point out in this thread all have had some sort of issue with him. And again on this "Euro players" issue, how would you "ever amount to anything" in the NBA if you were never allowed to play there? That line of reasoning is strange to me.

If those European players were so great, how come they couldn't get another opportunity with a coach that doesn't hate Euros? Maybe.. i dont know. Maybe they just suck?

I dont know much about JVG pre- Houston. So i won't even attempt to explain his problem's with Camby and the Knicks.

Bonzi Wells. You can ask ANY Rocket fan and they'll tell you that Bonzi's heart was never in Houston. When he turned down the MLE from Sacramento to sign that 2 million contract with the Rockets, he just sulked. He never played hard for the Rockets. He missed practice, missed flights, missed games and sometimes just disappear altogether. Why did you think after the dismissal of JVG, even coach Adelman traded Bonzi Wells for Bobby Jackson? And where is Bonzi now? Out of the League is where he is. He just lost the will to play.

Kirk Synder. The guy is playing in the chinese league now. Is it JVG's fault, he's not good enough to play in the NBA?

Cuttino Mobley and Francis. Those two guys played the best games of their career under JVG. They had the most success when they were coached by JVG. So i dont know why they're here. Cuttino and Francis were considered "good" defensive players under JVG's Rockets. Imagine that...


The truth is. JVG IS an egomaniac. Even the obedient Yao Ming said that Jeff Van Gundy is far and away the most abusive coach he's ever had in his life. Its true that JVG routinely bust out four letter words at his players. Everyday, he looks like his father just died from a car accident judging by his facial expression. Jeff is a no nonsense guy, he's very direct with his players and he doesn't take s*** from anybody, especially rookies.

But off the court. He's very professional and is one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet in your life. The guy NEVER throws his players under the bus in public no matter what. You never hear him speaking unfavorably to anybody when he's commentating. Players who respect him LOVES to play for him.

[the light]

that is a badge of honor not getting along with wells, snyder, francis and mobley who are all clowns and out of the nba...lets talk to the players who love jvg...its a long list

[Guy986]

Mirsad Türkcan, V-Span, Oberto, Fredric Weis, Kirk Synder, Bonzi Wells, Cuttino Mobley, Steve Francis.

Impressive list of characters.

[KWSN-Men]

If those European players were so great, how come they couldn't get another opportunity with a coach that doesn't hate Euros? Maybe.. i dont know. Maybe they just suck?

What does that even matter? The issue is how you treat people. Let's assume Weis was the worst basketball player in the history of the world, you don't treat him that way. You don't act like that to people. it's just wrong. Besides the point, the Knicks personnel guy said he could have been a decent backup center, so it's not even a valid argument to me.

And Oberto went to Spurs training camp and has been with the team since. As far as the other "Euros" in this example, they never came back to the NBA. You make it sound like they were begging NBA clubs to sign them. Leaving the NBA to never want to play there is not the same thing as being an NBA journey man or a guy that keeps getting cut year after year from summer leagues. It's real easy to say things like, "they could never play in the NBA or they would have since" to make an argument that has nothing to do with that.

It's like saying Josh Childress could never ever play in the NBA again if he stays in Europe, it's really not a rational argument. As for Snyder, he's probably in China because he was on a team with Yao. I doubt he would be playing there otherwise.

[Guy986]

If those European players were so great, how come they couldn't get another opportunity with a coach that doesn't hate Euros? Maybe.. i dont know. Maybe they just suck?

What does that even matter? The issue is how you treat people. Let's assume Weis was the worst basketball player in the history of the world, you don't treat him that way. You don't act like that to people. it's just wrong. Besides the point, the Knicks personnel guy said he could have been a decent backup center, so it's not even a valid argument to me.

And Oberto went to Spurs training camp and has been with the team since. As far as the other "Euros" in this example, they never came back to the NBA. You make it sound like they were begging NBA clubs to sign them. Leaving the NBA to never want to play there is not the same thing as being an NBA journey man or a guy that keeps getting cut year after year from summer leagues. It's real easy to say things like, "they could never play in the NBA or they would have since" to make an argument that has nothing to do with that.

It's like saying Josh Childress could never ever play in the NBA again if he stays in Europe, it's really not a rational argument. As for Snyder, he's probably in China because he was on a team with Yao. I doubt he would be playing there otherwise.

NBA coaches are not there to cuddle the players. If the players suck, they let them know it. The NBA is a mean business. If these european players want to be treated like a human being, they can go join a country club. If you are a foreigner looking to join the best league in the world, you can't go home and cry to mommy after being yelled out. That's exactly what Weis and Vspan did. Go home and cry to mommy. (in Vspan's case.. litterally)Like i said, the NBA is a mean business. NBA coaches don't have time to cuddle who aren't tough enough.

And who is this anonymous Knicks personnel who said Federick Weis could've been a deent backup center? He must not be a very good talent evaluator.

99.9% of the time, if a player tried but failed to stick with an NBA club, its because they aren't good enough. That means Mirsad Turkcan, Vspan, Frederic Weis, and that Jakisloius guy from the pacers whose name i can never spell correctly isn't good enough. Its either because they don't have the right mindset or the skillset. In Josh Childress' case, he chose to sign with a European Club. His situation is different.

I already agreed with you that JVG is an egomaniac. What i don't agree with ,however, is that he is an egomaniac who is prejudiced against foreigner. He is prejudiced against players who suck. He also has a strong dislike toward rookies. We don't know how much of that stuff from the press is true.

[sp6r=underrated]

If those European players were so great, how come they couldn't get another opportunity with a coach that doesn't hate Euros? Maybe.. i dont know. Maybe they just suck?

What does that even matter? The issue is how you treat people. Let's assume Weis was the worst basketball player in the history of the world, you don't treat him that way. You don't act like that to people. it's just wrong. Besides the point, the Knicks personnel guy said he could have been a decent backup center, so it's not even a valid argument to me.

And Oberto went to Spurs training camp and has been with the team since. As far as the other "Euros" in this example, they never came back to the NBA. You make it sound like they were begging NBA clubs to sign them. Leaving the NBA to never want to play there is not the same thing as being an NBA journey man or a guy that keeps getting cut year after year from summer leagues. It's real easy to say things like, "they could never play in the NBA or they would have since" to make an argument that has nothing to do with that.

It's like saying Josh Childress could never ever play in the NBA again if he stays in Europe, it's really not a rational argument. As for Snyder, he's probably in China because he was on a team with Yao. I doubt he would be playing there otherwise.

NBA coaches are not there to cuddle the players. If the players suck, they let them know it. The NBA is a mean business. If these european players want to be treated like a human being, they can go join a country club. If you are a foreigner looking to join the best league in the world, you can't go home and cry to mommy after being yelled out. That's exactly what Weis and Vspan did. Go home and cry to mommy. (in Vspan's case.. litterally)Like i said, the NBA is a mean business. NBA coaches don't have time to cuddle who aren't tough enough.

And who is this anonymous Knicks personnel who said Federick Weis could've been a deent backup center? He must not be a very good talent evaluator.

99.9% of the time, if a player tried but failed to stick with an NBA club, its because they aren't good enough. That means Mirsad Turkcan, Vspan, Frederic Weis, and that Jakisloius guy from the pacers whose name i can never spell correctly isn't good enough. Its either because they don't have the right mindset or the skillset. In Josh Childress' case, he chose to sign with a European Club. His situation is different.

I already agreed with you that JVG is an egomaniac. What i don't agree with ,however, is that he is an egomaniac who is prejudiced against foreigner. He is prejudiced against players who suck. He also has a strong dislike toward rookies. We don't know how much of that stuff from the press is true.

The great coaches, which JVG isn't, understand the differing psychologies of their players. For instance PJ was quite brutal in practice towards Grant but allowed Rodman to slack off. Being a drill sergeant is not the same thing as being a good coach.

[Guy986]

The great coaches, which JVG isn't, understand the differing psychologies of their players. For instance PJ was quite brutal in practice towards Grant but allowed Rodman to slack off. Being a drill sergeant is not the same thing as being a good coach.

That i agree with. JVG's biggest flaw is his stubbornness. He is a rigid coach that treats the star player as well as the 12th men. He treats Yao Ming the same as he treats Ryan Bowen. He doesn't give preferential treatment to anybody.

JVG will definitely not be able to coach Rodman. He will attempt to tame Rodman and then fail miserably.

[sp6r=underrated]

The great coaches, which JVG isn't, understand the differing psychologies of their players. For instance PJ was quite brutal in practice towards Grant but allowed Rodman to slack off. Being a drill sergeant is not the same thing as being a good coach.

That i agree with. JVG's biggest flaw is his stubbornness. He is a rigid coach that treats the star player as well as the 12th men. He treats Yao Ming the same as he treats Ryan Bowen. He doesn't give preferential treatment to anybody.

JVG will definitely not be able to coach Rodman. He will attempt to tame Rodman and then fail miserably.

Right on, the idea of JVG trying to coach Rodman makes me laugh. Part of the reason I think JVG was a bad coach for an offense was his stubbornness. If a play wasn't working or a player's shot was off JVG wouldn't adjust, he would force the issue and go back to that play/player.

[KWSN-Men]

If those European players were so great, how come they couldn't get another opportunity with a coach that doesn't hate Euros? Maybe.. i dont know. Maybe they just suck?

What does that even matter? The issue is how you treat people. Let's assume Weis was the worst basketball player in the history of the world, you don't treat him that way. You don't act like that to people. it's just wrong. Besides the point, the Knicks personnel guy said he could have been a decent backup center, so it's not even a valid argument to me.

And Oberto went to Spurs training camp and has been with the team since. As far as the other "Euros" in this example, they never came back to the NBA. You make it sound like they were begging NBA clubs to sign them. Leaving the NBA to never want to play there is not the same thing as being an NBA journey man or a guy that keeps getting cut year after year from summer leagues. It's real easy to say things like, "they could never play in the NBA or they would have since" to make an argument that has nothing to do with that.

It's like saying Josh Childress could never ever play in the NBA again if he stays in Europe, it's really not a rational argument. As for Snyder, he's probably in China because he was on a team with Yao. I doubt he would be playing there otherwise.

NBA coaches are not there to cuddle the players. If the players suck, they let them know it. The NBA is a mean business. If these european players want to be treated like a human being, they can go join a country club. If you are a foreigner looking to join the best league in the world, you can't go home and cry to mommy after being yelled out. That's exactly what Weis and Vspan did. Go home and cry to mommy. (in Vspan's case.. litterally)Like i said, the NBA is a mean business. NBA coaches don't have time to cuddle who aren't tough enough.

And who is this anonymous Knicks personnel who said Federick Weis could've been a deent backup center? He must not be a very good talent evaluator.

99.9% of the time, if a player tried but failed to stick with an NBA club, its because they aren't good enough. That means Mirsad Turkcan, Vspan, Frederic Weis, and that Jakisloius guy from the pacers whose name i can never spell correctly isn't good enough. Its either because they don't have the right mindset or the skillset. In Josh Childress' case, he chose to sign with a European Club. His situation is different.

I already agreed with you that JVG is an egomaniac. What i don't agree with ,however, is that he is an egomaniac who is prejudiced against foreigner. He is prejudiced against players who suck. He also has a strong dislike toward rookies. We don't know how much of that stuff from the press is true.

What's funny about this is that Josh Childress has pretty much been a huge bust in the Euroleague so far based on what he was signed for. He's also by far and away the most overpaid player on the continent. There are players making 1/5 the salary that are just as productive as him. He's not even as good this year in the Euroleague as Turkcan, Spanoulis or even Jasikevicius and that's saying something because Jaseikivicius still does not play defense. He's probably been the 6th or 7th best player on his own team so far this year. Although he has been better by far than his teamate Jannero Pargo has been.

None of this has anything to do with the issue of JVG treating people like crap for no justifiable reason at all. But since you keep insisting that it's it perfectly reasonable why he did that simply because these guys "suck", I guess maybe you should know the different situation as you say of Childress is only that he "sucks" worse than they do this year. Face it, you are just making excuses for JVG.

[Mamba Venom]

The I hate Euro Player Club
Stan Van Gundy
KG...
Who else?

[Jugoplastika89-90-91]

Mirsad Türkcan, V-Span, Oberto, Fredric Weis, Kirk Synder, Bonzi Wells, Cuttino Mobley, Steve Francis.

Impressive list of characters.

Add JVG to this list.

[G-Heel]

The I hate Euro Player Club
Stan Van Gundy
KG...
Who else?

SVG loves Gortat and Turk. So it's just KG apparently..