Trade Idea

[Commodor]

Alright I've been following the Timberwolves for a litle and I gotta say that Jefferson/Love is looking great, and Brewer/Foye solid, but your pg position leaves something to be desired.

As you can tell the Warriors are pretty much forcing crawford out of the bay area, not because his ability really, just that they have been drafting his position for a while now and the only veterans they seem to want is jackson, and the 10 million dollar 6th man maggette.

Even if its not long term, I think crawford could bring some offensive spark and draw some pressure off of Jefferson. Im fairly sure u wanna keep your young players and miller/cardinal players are nice expiring contracts. But I believe the warriors would definetly go for a draft pick. They are just trying to get rid of waste and rebuild. Crawford is to much money for the job he would eventually perform as a bench player.

What are your thoughts on this?

[karch34]

I don't think Crawford would fit the kind of system we are running or will run with who we have currently. Also he's more of a combo guard and doesn't work with our team needs.

[shrink]

The new NBA economy has lapped Crawford, and despite scoring 20 PPG, I suspect that nobody will give you a pick for his $9.4 and worse $10 mil in 2010-11 expiring.

We don't have any bad contracts right now. If you want to get out of Crawford's next year, I might do Mike Miller (exoiring) for Crawford + your pick, but I think the Wolves are the wrong team to match up with. I wouldn't even do Cardinal and Madsen's expirings for him, since MIN most likely won't be a contender in 2009 anyway, and they can do better with the money in 2010 raw cap space.

[Krapinsky]

I'm with Shrink, only zero interest on my part. No interest in the pick either. We have four. Adding another, even late lottery, can't justify taking on his contract.

The only way I could conceive of the Wolves being interested would have to part of a larger deal and include one of two players you don't want to trade- Randolph or Biendrins. And that's probably where the discussion ends.

[john2jer]

How about Jefferson, Brewer, and Miller for Crawford?

[revprodeji]

Crawford does nothing for me.

[4ho5ive]

Crawford isnt a PG.

[southern wolf]

Miller > Crawford.

[TrentTuckerForever]

How about Jefferson, Brewer, and Miller for Crawford?

How did we get Jefferson's rights?

[john2jer]

"He moved on up" to the Wolves after we offered him a piece of the pie.

[the_bruce]

Hmm, I'd probably give some consideration to this depending how the draft shook out and who\what was available. It would be far to complex to satisfy me though. Something along the lines of:

MN gets top 2 pick, rubio comes out, hinrich for expirings, GSW willing to insert Randolph in the deal, Foye outbound, leaves MN with 15m cap room in 2010, etc

Something based around...

Craw + randolph for Miller + foye

....Would intrigue me. Craw straight up for anything is a no go as I'd rather have Miller. Foye for Randolph is a coin flip for me so it would be based around other moves being done to make me switch to in favor of this deal. I'm sure most GSW would prefer Randolph, and most Wolves fans would prefer Foye.

As it stands above, GSW gets out of the extra years in Craws contract but still get production from Miller and his expiring he may be a better fit for Nellies system too, they also get Foye who will put up numbers similar to crawfords but may be redundant next to Ellis. I'd probably wanna send cookie to GSW to see how he would play in that system, but w\e.

Jefferson
Love
Gomes
Craw
Hinrich

Hinrich lets rubio mature a few years. Randolph backs up the 3 at first. Brewer backs up the 2. MN picks a 5 or hybrid 4 with one of the later picks or finds a cheap FA. Hinrich, Craw, Jeferson can all drop 30 on any given night, Craw is capable of dropping 40+, Craw and hinrich are both interchangable at the guard positions. Both are better than average defenders. Should still have max cap in 2010, and Hinrich + Craw are expirings that year(I think). Wolves then have mega cap space in 2011 to swoop in and steal the recently signed and disgruntled max FA from that season with Hinrich + Craw expirings + Youth + picks!

Plus youth looks like this....

Jefferson
Love
Randolph
Brewer
Rubio

Randolph/Rubio/Brewer lineup helps contain guard penetration, randolph is weakside eraser. Sick.

[Krapinsky]

^^^That's kind of along the line what I was thinking. One problem though-- Randolph is probably one of the most valuable prospects in the league. The kid oozes with potential and this year he's shown he has a passion for the game. I'm not sure if G-State would move him even for the #2 pick this year. It's possible they would, but it wouldn't surprise me if they wouldn't.

[the_bruce]

^^^That's kind of along the line what I was thinking. One problem though-- Randolph is probably one of the most valuable prospects in the league. The kid oozes with potential and this year he's shown he has a passion for the game. I'm not sure if G-State would move him even for the #2 pick this year. It's possible they would, but it wouldn't surprise me if they wouldn't.

agree with GS being reluctant to move him, but that can be said about any top 20 pick every year until they completely bottom out or explode for an extended period of time. One week player recent lotto pick is out of favor the next week he is untouchable. I'd certainly take him over any prospect this year aside from rubio & griffin, But I can say that about mayo, love, westbrook, lopez, Gallinari, Lopez, etc from last years draft class. I could see why they decline as well. Randolph is one of the few prospects in the league that I think fits with our Love + Jefferson tandem going forward.

My point being is that the only way I can see the wolves taking on Crawford is some sort of sick dream situation where they solve virtually every roster problem in the process immediately, and set themselves up for a bright future.

[TrentTuckerForever]

Somehing based around...

Craw + randolph for Miller + foye

....Would intrigue me. Craw straight up for anything is a no go as I'd rather have Miller.

+1. I'd love to give Randolph a run as a "long" three to go with the Wolves' "strong" power players Love and Jefferson. As bruceallen says the Wolves could draft a point guard, and Crawford could be the starter as Brewer develops. Not a bad plan... but also, I'm sure, not what the original poster had in mind when he asked about the Wolves trading for Crawford.

[john2jer]

My hope is just that the OP doesn't consider Crawford a PG, cause that's just silly.

[Mylie10]

I can see why you guys would be reluctant to move Miller, but let me take a crack at it.

After watching you guys some I feel that you're looking great with your 2 big guys Love and Jefferson. Given. you guys could use another center, but that's a different issue.

Love Gomes and feel that Corey Brewer will some day be a good player. Great length.

I like Mike Miller alot, but the guy isn't shooting enough for your team. He's been to passive if you asked me. He's torched the Warriors over the years, but I'm not sure why he's so reluctant on your team.

You guys need scoring and we need to clear out a player or 2 in order to be able to play some of our young guys. Crawford and Azubuike will give you scoring and help at 3 positions. Crawford's been scoring about the same numbers as Foye and he gives you another guy to put the ball in the basket. He can play 1 or 2 and has averaged 5 assists this year. He's also scored 50 points in a game this year.

Azubuike is shooting a guady 46% from 3 point range and 47% from 2. Both of those guys hit their FT shots at a good clip with Crawford at almost 90%. Azu's at 80%.

Telfair has been better this year, but he's a way worse shooter than any of the guys being discussed. He also needs to score more, but he's the best distributor of all 3 guys (Crawford/ foye/ Telfair).

Azubuike has been playing PF for us in a smallball lineup but is best suited for the SF spot. He rebounds well from there and he's been great at spreading the floor.

So I'd do a Mike Miller and Mark Madsen for Crawford and Azubuike.

[shrink]

So I'd do a Mike Miller and Mark Madsen for Crawford and Azubuike.

Ugh. Spectacularly lop-sided.

OK, let's pretend that Mike Miller isn't the #1 rebounding guard in the league, and his 2P% isn't #3 in the NBA. Let's forget the assists, bringing the ball up the floor, and everything else. Let's just pretend he contributes nothing.

Why in the world would MIN give up $10 mil in raw 2010 cap space to have Jamaal Crawford? $10 mil!

[Mylie10]

No doubt Miller's the best player of the 3. but he only takes 7.5 shots a game and averages only 10 points. all of that in 35 minutes. Azubuike shoots 3's at 10 percentage points higher. He and Crawford are better FT shooters.

You're getting 2 rotational players for one. and you're getting a huge boost in scoring while losing nothing in rebounds and assists.

I understand that Miller is the best overall player in the deal, but he's not better than 2 guys who can help you guys score more. You really do need to score more........don't you think?

[AQuintus]

Trading quality for quantity is exactly what a rebuilding team shouldn't do. Especially when the quantity is paid for longer than the quality and is a career loser.