RealGM Top 100 All-Time List

Prolific Scorer · Post #241 » by **Prolific Scorer** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:41 pm

Joe Dumars 5 spots over Nique?

Vince Carter > Ray Allen

prolific passer · Post #242 » by **prolific passer** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:45 pm

What about Jo Jo White and Reggie Miller? They aren't on the list yet and when or if they do ever get on they will be to low imo.

Baller 24 · Post #243 » by **Baller 24** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:00 pm

Reggie is where he belongs, not a lot of accolades to really support him early on.

Post #244 » by **penbeast0** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:58 pm

Jo Jo White . . . hadn't looked at him yet, will add him to my stat list if his numbers hold up for his career . . . I don't see it for Jo Jo, he never scored 20, he wasn't a playmaker or rebounder, he never got any all-D nominations, his shooting percentage is mediocre; he is a good solid guard who had the good fortune to play on a high publicity championship team but hardly a top 100 of all time type of player.

prolific passer · Post #245 » by **prolific passer** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:34 am

penbeast0 wrote:Jo Jo White . . . hadn't looked at him yet, will add him to my stat list if his numbers hold up for his career . . . I don't see it for Jo Jo, he never scored 20, he wasn't a playmaker or rebounder, he never got any all-D nominations, his shooting percentage is mediocre; he is a good solid guard who had the good fortune to play on a high publicity championship team but hardly a top 100 of all time type of player.

www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/whitejo01.html

here is White's numbers and he did average 20+ppg during the regular twice in his career.

Post #246 » by **penbeast0** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:27 am

I can probably name you 40 guards who averaged 20+ppg twice during their careers. He wasn't a dominant scorer in the Carter/Aguirre/Thompson class, he wasn't a particularly efficient scorer (even compared to those three), he was a decent but not outstanding defender, he was a decent playmaker for a 2, below average for a 1, he wasn't a particularly good rebounder, he just doesn't really stand out from the crowd enough to be one of the top 100 players in NBA history.

majorflux · Post #247 » by **majorflux** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:57 pm

I'd like to be judge to vote on Top 100, thanks!

shawngoat23 · Post #248 » by **shawngoat23** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:22 pm

I've already said this before, but I really regret that LeBron James is 16 spots ahead of Dwyane Wade. The officiating in the 2006 Finals might have been the second worst I've ever seen, but Wade does have a ring and a Finals MVP.

TheSheriff · Post #249 » by **TheSheriff** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:18 pm

shawngoat23 wrote:I've already said this before, but I really regret that LeBron James is 16 spots ahead of Dwyane Wade. The officiating in the 2006 Finals might have been the second worst I've ever seen, but Wade does have a ring and a Finals MVP.

I agree. I feel like Lebron James is probably at least 16 spots too high

shawngoat23 · Post #250 » by **shawngoat23** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:25 pm

TheSheriff wrote:
shawngoat23 wrote:I've already said this before, but I really regret that LeBron James is 16 spots ahead of Dwyane Wade. The officiating in the 2006 Finals might have been the second worst I've ever seen, but Wade does have a ring and a Finals MVP.

I agree. I feel like Lebron James is probably at least 16 spots too high

I'm not so much complaining about LeBron James, because if we're comparing only peak ability, he certainly is a top 36 player of all-time (and probably much higher). But we're judging with an emphasis on career, and if we want to respect what LeBron is doing right now, I think we should at least have been consistent with Wade?

Is LeBron better than Wade right now? Maybe, you can argue either way, but not noticeably so.

Has he accomplished more than Wade? No, definitely not. That one ring and Finals MVP is huge. Maybe we don't think of it as such because we're looking prospectively at what we believe he can accomplish. But the Top 100 List is a retrospective look at what players have accomplished, so I think I'd rather have Wade over LeBron on such a list.

Maybe I'm just really excited because of how Wade's been doing recently. But I have no question if we asked this after the 2006 Finals, or if we waited until now, Wade would fare much higher because he wouldn't have the stigma of the injury-plagued 2007-08 campaign weighing against him.

NetsForce · Post #251 » by **NetsForce** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:11 am

I'm not sure how Lebron James is ranked ahead of Jason Kidd. I mean he got swept in the finals to a Spurs team that was inferior to the one Jason Kidd took to 6 games... Looking at their individual accomplishments Kidd also trumps Lebron James with his absurd amount of triple doubles and defensive awards.

sp6r=underrated · Post #252 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:25 am

NetsForce wrote:I'm not sure how Lebron James is ranked ahead of Jason Kidd. I mean he got swept in the finals to a Spurs team that was inferior to the one Jason Kidd took to 6 games... Looking at their individual accomplishments Kidd also trumps Lebron James with his absurd amount of triple doubles and defensive awards.

You are the only person on the planet who thinks the 07 Spurs were inferior to the 03 Spurs. TD wasn't as good in 07, but he was still dominant. Parker and Manu had become all star caliber players. Finally, the nets won 2 games by a grand total of 3 points. Big Deal.

Post #253 » by **penbeast0** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:00 pm

Why is LeBron so much higher than Wade? LeBron has had 5 good seasons . . . Wade has had 2 and 3 half season where he was unable to play significant percentages of the time. 5 solid seasons is a nice career peak; 2 and 3 halfs isn't nearly as impressive. (same reason Yao hasn't come up yet) This season will make up some of the differential if Wade can last out the rest but Wade hadn't sestablished his current monster streak when those numbers were being voted on.

Harison · Post #254 » by **Harison** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:30 pm

I'm late, but better than never - add me in :wink:

P.S. Havent read all thread, but is there any plans of revoting few years later? Top active players should advance through rankings, like LBJ, CP3, Wade, etc.

WesWesley · Post #255 » by **WesWesley** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:09 pm

I think Paul Pierce fell too hard on this list.

His resume is pretty good, but the guy is a flat out amazing basketball player. Probably one of the best players I've ever seen.

edit: it doesn't really surprise me though.. the guy fell to tenth in the draft too.

shawngoat23 · Post #256 » by **shawngoat23** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:26 pm

penbeast0 wrote:Why is LeBron so much higher than Wade? LeBron has had 5 good seasons . . . Wade has had 2 and 3 half season where he was unable to play significant percentages of the time. 5 solid seasons is a nice career peak; 2 and 3 halfs isn't nearly as impressive. (same reason Yao hasn't come up yet) This season will make up some of the differential if Wade can last out the rest but Wade hadn't sestablished his current monster streak when those numbers were being voted on.

It might be a difference in criteria, but I think that Wade's ring and Finals MVP make up almost all of that discrepancy, if not allow him to overtake LeBron (on an all-time list, obviously, I'd take LeBron going forward because of his insane potential). Although this is consistent with the fact that I was nominating Walton about 10-15 spots before everyone else.

Post #257 » by **penbeast0** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:21 pm

Yeah Harison, we redo this every couple of years . . . Wilt falling to 4 was the big shock this time, much bigger than LeBron/Wade (even though I vote Russell for #1, it usually comes out MJ/Wilt/Kareem pretty easily).

majorflux · Post #258 » by **majorflux** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:42 am

Penbeast0, can you add me as a judge? thanks!

Post #259 » by **penbeast0** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:16 pm

Baller has to add you, i'm just grunt labor :-)

Roger Murdock · Post #260 » by **Roger Murdock** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:41 am

penbeast0 wrote:Baller has to add you, i'm just grunt labor

Time to unionize?