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Laker myths hurting kobe for second mvp
i know kobe isn't worried about it and most of you aren't either,but does it bother some of you the way the media acts as if the lakers are stacked with all stars? i was watching inside the nba and barkley said one of his reasons for having lebron ahead of kobe in the mvp race is the lakers have four legit all stars but the cavs only have lebron and they have a similar record to ours. now can someone please explain to me who these other two legit all stars the lakers have besides kobe and pau? also mo is better than any guard on this team not named kobe. don't get me wrong,if lebron gets it,it will be well deserved,but there is no need to twist things around in order to do so.
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I was thinking the exact same thing when I heard them saying that. It's so frustrating hearing people say things like that when they are so far from the truth it's like where the hell are you guys getting this from. Pau is the only legit all star Kobe has, the only other person I could see them talking about is Bynum but the dude played well for like two weeks the whole season and then got hurt, and if they're thinking of Lamar, please, anyone who watches him consistently knows he is not an all star. I think LBJ is totally deserving and he will get the MVP, but yes it's very unfair to Kobe to say that LeBron is playing with way less talent cause it's just not true.
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I guess they haven't seen the Lakers play lately. There is still a perception that this team is full of talents because of the way they started off the season. In actuality it's only a byproduct of the starters using the triangle and the second unit mixing it up with their fast break offense. Teams didn't know what to do with it and they were also playing stellar defense for the first twenty games. If Bynum is actually here and playing like an allstar Barkley's comment wouldn't be so ridiculous, but the only guy right now that can create his shots at any time is Kobe. Pau has a ton of problems going up against physical defense, and if the left side isn't open Odom is useless. If the Lakers do win the title this year without Bynum Phil should get his due because this team's talent level is not above the other contenders.
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When i heard i was like... hmmm.. did we get another all-star !!!! but then i realize trading already ended. I don't know which other two they are talking about.. LO and Bynum aren't all-star caliber. It's only kobe and pau if they want to compare it with lebron and Mo... I hate this myth, let what most are saying.. many can't believe kobe has won only one thus far in his career...
I know the race is close this season between kobe and lebron and the upcoming wade. All 3 are deserving, but i think the media will go for their poster child Lebron. I think they should change the votings a little bit... the media/coaches/etc.. can select the top 3-5... and let the fans vote who gets it.. balance between the two.. Just don't put Yao ming in there. LOL
I know the race is close this season between kobe and lebron and the upcoming wade. All 3 are deserving, but i think the media will go for their poster child Lebron. I think they should change the votings a little bit... the media/coaches/etc.. can select the top 3-5... and let the fans vote who gets it.. balance between the two.. Just don't put Yao ming in there. LOL
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Ya I think its jacked up.
I mean when we had scrubs like Smush and Kwame and we made it to the playoffs, nobody gave credit to Kobe for his imporvements and being able to carry all the dead weight to the playoffs, and they actually had the nerve to blame Kobe for our failures.
Now that HE IS STILL leading and carrying this team, he's still not getting credit for his work and effort and his game and NOW WE ARE STACKED. B.S I mean anybody with some common sense can see that the reason for our success is Kobe.
They make Wade into a God over night cause he has been playing good and he basically became the N#1 canidate for MVP over Lebron and Kobe, yet we all have witnessed the past two games when Kobe single handedly took over both the Rockets game and last night game against the Spurs and put this team on his back and won the game for us.
The media is a JOKE and FULL OF ISH and they build icons/celebs/superstars as they wish, and when that person fails they destroy that persons image down to nothing.
I mean when we had scrubs like Smush and Kwame and we made it to the playoffs, nobody gave credit to Kobe for his imporvements and being able to carry all the dead weight to the playoffs, and they actually had the nerve to blame Kobe for our failures.
Now that HE IS STILL leading and carrying this team, he's still not getting credit for his work and effort and his game and NOW WE ARE STACKED. B.S I mean anybody with some common sense can see that the reason for our success is Kobe.
They make Wade into a God over night cause he has been playing good and he basically became the N#1 canidate for MVP over Lebron and Kobe, yet we all have witnessed the past two games when Kobe single handedly took over both the Rockets game and last night game against the Spurs and put this team on his back and won the game for us.
The media is a JOKE and FULL OF ISH and they build icons/celebs/superstars as they wish, and when that person fails they destroy that persons image down to nothing.
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yeah like i said before i have no problem with wade or lebron getting it,but to try and act like the lakers are just so stacked is crazy. kobe does just as much for his team as those other two.
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Yeah, I somewhat agree here.
I do think the Lakers have more offensive talent (and depth) than the Cavs but then you have to look talent that they have over us on the defensive end. Is either one of these debatable?
Also, all this talk about how many All-Stars guys are playing with is really stupid and when you take into account that both teams had 2 players (Kobe and LeBron voted by fans, Gasol and Williams voted by coaches) so it makes it pointless to even mention.
Having said that, I do feel that LeBron is the MVP at this point, but it has absolutely nothing to do with who he is playing with. Both he and Kobe have had to overcome injuries to teammates, and in the case of Kobe he's played with injuries (torn ligament, dislocated finger on shooting hand) all season. Both teams have similar records. The difference is that LeBron is putting up better overall numbers (meaning he is doing more for his team than Kobe for his -- statistically speaking), so that swings the pendulum in his favor. I understand the difference in systems and whatnot, but at the end of the day no one is going to really look at that because we don't know who would do what if roles were reversed. The bottom line is that both guys are deserving but only one can win, so all things considered LeBron has the advantage at the moment.
I do think the Lakers have more offensive talent (and depth) than the Cavs but then you have to look talent that they have over us on the defensive end. Is either one of these debatable?
Also, all this talk about how many All-Stars guys are playing with is really stupid and when you take into account that both teams had 2 players (Kobe and LeBron voted by fans, Gasol and Williams voted by coaches) so it makes it pointless to even mention.
Having said that, I do feel that LeBron is the MVP at this point, but it has absolutely nothing to do with who he is playing with. Both he and Kobe have had to overcome injuries to teammates, and in the case of Kobe he's played with injuries (torn ligament, dislocated finger on shooting hand) all season. Both teams have similar records. The difference is that LeBron is putting up better overall numbers (meaning he is doing more for his team than Kobe for his -- statistically speaking), so that swings the pendulum in his favor. I understand the difference in systems and whatnot, but at the end of the day no one is going to really look at that because we don't know who would do what if roles were reversed. The bottom line is that both guys are deserving but only one can win, so all things considered LeBron has the advantage at the moment.
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Meh, media doesn't like Kobe. Last year it was CP3 all year.
Wade has been great this year, no doubt, but how is that different from 05-06 Kobe? Ooo Wade had a few great games in a row in a weak conference. What about Kobe averaging 50pts for 2 weeks while singlehandedly dragging that team into the playoffs? Or way back in 02 I think where Kobe put up 30 7 7 and carried LA to 50 wins with maybe the worst supporting cast ever and a majorly injury riddled team? Shaq missed like 20 games that years. Most of the other starters and bench missed long stretches and even at full health it was a craptastic team outside Kobe and Shaq.
Don't get me wrong, Bron and Wade are both deserving this year, especially since both have really stepped it up on the defensive end (a big reason why I didn't think Bron deserved it last few years) but its irritating the way he is being overlooked. Pau has been a huge help and we do have some depth and talent but not really any more so then Cleveland. Overall I think we are a little bit more talented then Cleveland, but not buy any large margin. Big Z has been an alstar a few times and has played very well this year, Mo is an all star, West is no slouch. Boobie, Sasha, Wally, Wallace... have all been big contributers on deep playoff teams before. Its not like Bron is lacking talent on that team. Wade's team is pretty thin, but its a weak east and they aren't much over .500. Hell they would be out of the playoffs in the West so that needs to be considered too imo.
The crazy thing about Kobe being overlooked is that he is actually playing BETTER then last year. His FG% and FT% are both up and if you take into account the fact that he is playing less minutes then last year his other numbers are equal or better as well. I thought he was really learning to be that Jordan-esque pick his spots and take over the game at specific times last year but he's turned that up to a new level this year. He has really done a good job of letting the team play, moving the ball, and taking over when needed most. Some games its really early to start the team off well, most often its late in the 4th to seal the deal. I mean look at that Houston game, he scored 18 pts in 4 FREAKING MINUTES. 4 mins! 60% of the league can't get that in 40 mins! Then the next game he starts off early, doesn't shoot for over a quarter, and hits the daggers late.
Again, not to take away from Bron or Wade, but to kind of dismiss Kobe the way much of the media has when we have 1. The Best record 2. The Best Road record 3. The best record against the top 6 to 8 teams, and his stats are BETTER then last year... its a bit ridiculous. Stats also are a bit overrated in this debate. I've argued this many a time in different places but I always have to point out, the way Bron and Wade are utilized, they are almost always going to have a better chance at more assists. Both of them are both the primary scorer and primary facilitator and are used the majority of times at the top of the key breaking down single defenders or running off screens. Its a much more drive and kick oriented style then what Kobe plays. The amount of catches Kobe gets in the triangle that aren't setup to directly create shots for other people are far greater then either of those other two (post ups are the prime example of this) It easily makes up for the 2 less assists and Kobe also turns it over less as a consequence. But if you watch Laker games you cannot deny the effect Kobe has on the offense actualy running and creating looks for other guys.
There is a reason why we have the best record and there is a reason why with the exception of only 4 games we have been in every loss up until the final minutes and that reason is Kobe. I'd be ok with Bron winning it, Wade... I dunno, if Kobe didn't get it in 05 I'd have a tough time with Wade getting it this year. To be completely honest, I think Timmy D and Dwight Howard should both be up there and maybe ahead of Wade. Still a good month left though so we'll see, but regardly anyone who has a 'clear favorite' at this point is just a homer.
Wade has been great this year, no doubt, but how is that different from 05-06 Kobe? Ooo Wade had a few great games in a row in a weak conference. What about Kobe averaging 50pts for 2 weeks while singlehandedly dragging that team into the playoffs? Or way back in 02 I think where Kobe put up 30 7 7 and carried LA to 50 wins with maybe the worst supporting cast ever and a majorly injury riddled team? Shaq missed like 20 games that years. Most of the other starters and bench missed long stretches and even at full health it was a craptastic team outside Kobe and Shaq.
Don't get me wrong, Bron and Wade are both deserving this year, especially since both have really stepped it up on the defensive end (a big reason why I didn't think Bron deserved it last few years) but its irritating the way he is being overlooked. Pau has been a huge help and we do have some depth and talent but not really any more so then Cleveland. Overall I think we are a little bit more talented then Cleveland, but not buy any large margin. Big Z has been an alstar a few times and has played very well this year, Mo is an all star, West is no slouch. Boobie, Sasha, Wally, Wallace... have all been big contributers on deep playoff teams before. Its not like Bron is lacking talent on that team. Wade's team is pretty thin, but its a weak east and they aren't much over .500. Hell they would be out of the playoffs in the West so that needs to be considered too imo.
The crazy thing about Kobe being overlooked is that he is actually playing BETTER then last year. His FG% and FT% are both up and if you take into account the fact that he is playing less minutes then last year his other numbers are equal or better as well. I thought he was really learning to be that Jordan-esque pick his spots and take over the game at specific times last year but he's turned that up to a new level this year. He has really done a good job of letting the team play, moving the ball, and taking over when needed most. Some games its really early to start the team off well, most often its late in the 4th to seal the deal. I mean look at that Houston game, he scored 18 pts in 4 FREAKING MINUTES. 4 mins! 60% of the league can't get that in 40 mins! Then the next game he starts off early, doesn't shoot for over a quarter, and hits the daggers late.
Again, not to take away from Bron or Wade, but to kind of dismiss Kobe the way much of the media has when we have 1. The Best record 2. The Best Road record 3. The best record against the top 6 to 8 teams, and his stats are BETTER then last year... its a bit ridiculous. Stats also are a bit overrated in this debate. I've argued this many a time in different places but I always have to point out, the way Bron and Wade are utilized, they are almost always going to have a better chance at more assists. Both of them are both the primary scorer and primary facilitator and are used the majority of times at the top of the key breaking down single defenders or running off screens. Its a much more drive and kick oriented style then what Kobe plays. The amount of catches Kobe gets in the triangle that aren't setup to directly create shots for other people are far greater then either of those other two (post ups are the prime example of this) It easily makes up for the 2 less assists and Kobe also turns it over less as a consequence. But if you watch Laker games you cannot deny the effect Kobe has on the offense actualy running and creating looks for other guys.
There is a reason why we have the best record and there is a reason why with the exception of only 4 games we have been in every loss up until the final minutes and that reason is Kobe. I'd be ok with Bron winning it, Wade... I dunno, if Kobe didn't get it in 05 I'd have a tough time with Wade getting it this year. To be completely honest, I think Timmy D and Dwight Howard should both be up there and maybe ahead of Wade. Still a good month left though so we'll see, but regardly anyone who has a 'clear favorite' at this point is just a homer.
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If the Lakers have the best record in the league, Kobe MIGHT get the MVP. Tied or worse, LBJ will get it. I'd even say the Lakers have to be the best team by some distance, or Kobe won't get it.
In my mind, there is only one MVP this year, and that's Kobe. Too bad the people who vote are mostly East Coasters.
In my mind, there is only one MVP this year, and that's Kobe. Too bad the people who vote are mostly East Coasters.
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Erik Eleven wrote:If the Lakers have the best record in the league, Kobe MIGHT get the MVP. Tied or worse, LBJ will get it. I'd even say the Lakers have to be the best team by some distance, or Kobe won't get it.
In my mind, there is only one MVP this year, and that's Kobe. Too bad the people who vote are mostly East Coasters.
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Lakers have to have the best record in the league by at least 3-4 games over LBJ to get the MVP.
MaryvalesFinest wrote:
"J-Rich is a better dunker than Kobe and can put up the same stats if he was "the man" of the Lakers, advantage = J-Rich"
"J-Rich is a better dunker than Kobe and can put up the same stats if he was "the man" of the Lakers, advantage = J-Rich"