2009 MLB Dynasty League (bigboy shocks the world!)

[Chach]

For a bag of fungo balls? I don't think bovey should be allowed to trade with sett anymore. mahalo
~Chach~

[CFan21]

What's your opinion on Phil Hughes, Chach? Boom or bust?

[CFan21]

Oh, and thank you to SSK99 or whichever other mod that updates the thread when I'm inattentive.

[Chach]

His value is down but I still think he has the talent to be a top starter. His main problem is the same thing I said before his rookie season, he needs to show he can stay healthy. He has had one season that he stay healthy and effective so all that talent means nothing if you can't stay on the field. I think an off-season to rest and if he worked on his strength training and flexibility during the off-season, then he might be able to stay on the field and re-capture that fastball and command that he displayed in the minors. Just like Clay, I don't think he's too late for him to make something of himself but he might need a change of scenery. Being included in a trade for Johan might have been the best thing for him. mahalo
~Chach~

[wreckedangle]

add RP Billy Wagner

[CFan21]

Here are those minor league rankings I promised you guys. Just one humble league member's opinion so don't go too hard on me. Mostly I did this just so I could impress upon you guys that I think I have the best prospect system. It's a very inexact formula and it's biggest weakness is that it's probably better to have a system with two guys who make a huge impact on your team (i.e. .300/100 R/30 HR/100 RBI) and a bunch of scrubs rather than a bunch of guys who should be decent MLB regulars (i.e. .280/80 R/20 HR/80 RBI). I didn't spend days on this so be forgiving if my vision is inexact. But anyways, here's my opinion of the minor league systems:


1. Setterlund – 87.5/100
2. TyCobb – 85/100
2. Chach – 85/100
4. Bove310 – 84.5/100
4. Basketball Jesus – 84.5/100
6. Bigboy1234 – 83/100
7. Kazanovicz – 82/100
8. MauveAvenger – 81.5/100
9. StudCrackers – 79/100
10. Sunshinekids99 – 77/100
11. BennyBlanco – 76.5/100
12. Sosafan 51/100

Not much of a difference between the guys in the top 5 but what did some guys in was having one lower-grade prospect at the end of the roster for whatever reason. While I did rate myself as having the top overall system, the other guys in the top group each have redeeming things about them. I'm impressed with the debut from all three expansion guys and I also want to highlight that SSK99, who I'm usually very critical of when it comes to prospects, had a really quality draft and now has a system that is underrated by this formula.

[The formula goes like this: In the case that a manager has 10 prospects, the numbers will just add up to the official total out of 100. For managers with less than 10 prospects I projected a score out of 100 based on the average grade per player in your system, then I docked you two points for each empty roster slot (because that’s one guy you’re not developing).]


Setterlund: 87.5/100

1. Tommy Hanson – 9.5
3. Eric Hosmer – 9.5
3. Brett Anderson – 9.5
4. Buster Posey – 9
5. Chris Tillman - 9
6. Elvis Andrus – 8.5
7. Wade Davis – 8.5
8. Carlos Triunfel - 8
9. Freddie Freeman - 8
10. Jordan Schafer – 8

Time to toot my own horn. I've got a system that's got a lot quality depth in it and it's not too bad at the top either. I see my top four as being three guys that are good bets to be impact players and then some much needed help at catcher along the way. My worry is that some of the guys at the bottom of my roster are just "solid regulars", such as Schafer, who could just as easily end up being a .300 AVG, 10 HR guy instead of a .310, 20 HR guy.

TyCobb: 85/100

1. Jason Heyward - 10
2. Justin Smoak – 9.5
3. Dexter Fowler – 9
4. Aaron Hicks – 9
5. Jordan Walden – 8.5
6. Kyle Skipworth - 8
7. Ethan Martin - 8
8. Danny Duffy - 8
9. Will Inman – 7.5
10. Brandon Erbe – 7.5

I think it's interesting how imbalanced these two systems are. Cobb has built himself a system deep in impact hitting and a little light on pitching. I love Justin Smoak (just a smidge more than Hosmer) and although I've never gone after the five-tool outfielders I have to acknowledge the immense talent of the trio of Heyward, Fowler and Hicks. Angels pitchers are always a good bet so I can't knock Walden either and there's a lot of projectability when it comes to Skipworth and Murray. Don't love the pitchers at the bottom though.

Chach: 85/100

1. Trevor Cahill – 10
2. Neftali Feliz – 10
3. Derek Holland – 9.5
4. Rick Porcello – 9
5. Jake Arrieta – 8.5
6. Daniel Cortes – 8.5
7. Greg Halman – 8
8. Ryan Kalish – 7.5
9. Ross Detwiler – 7
10. Jacob McGee – 7

On the opposite side of it, Chach has far and away the best stable of pitchers. He's got three guys who should be special real soon, two who could reach that same level a year from now and a guy in Cortes who could slip under the radar and be a valuable asset at the next level. Do not like either of the hitters or Detwiler, but McGee could be worth something a year from now when he's close to full health.

Bove310: 84.5/100

1. Madison Bumgarner - 10
2. Logan Morrison – 9.5
3. Brett Wallace - 9
4. Tim Alderson - 9
5. Jarrod Parker - 9
6. Alcides Escobar – 8.5
7. Dominic Brown - 8
8. Scott Elbert – 7.5
9. Chris Marrero – 7
10. Yorman Rodriguez - 7

I really, really like the top half of Bove's system and all five guys could end up being all-stars. I would have chosen guys other than Escobar where Bove picked him but he's going to make it at the next level and sometimes it's better to overdraft a quality player than to go for the boom-or-bust type. Brown is a guy people don't talk about much but I like him and the jury is still out on both Elbert and Yorman but each could jump up to a 9 with a good year. Nice system.

Basketball Jesus: 84.5/100

1. Travis Snider - 10
2. Gordon Beckham – 9.5
3. Mike Moustakas - 9
4. Andrew McCutchen - 9
5. Jhoulys Chacin – 8.5
6. Jordan Zimmerman – 8.5
7. Phillippe Aumont - 8
8. Michael Saunders - 8
9. Nick Adenhart – 7.5
10. Matt Antonelli – 6.5

BBJ has two future stars at the top and four guys after that who are poised to maybe take that next step this year. Everyone knows what Snider is going to do this year and I've changed my mind about Beckham, he could be another Utley. As BBJ knows, I've been trying to get my hands on McCutchen before he blows up. You can't know the scouting reports on Moustakas, Chacin or Zimmerman and Aumont and Saunders each carry a good grade on them as well. The wild card here is that I think Adenhart will blow up, whether it's in a good way or a bad way I can't quite tell.


BIgboy1234: 83/100

1. Colby Rasmus - 10
2. Michael Stanton – 9.5
3. Michael Inoa – 9
4. Angel Villalona – 8.5
5. Dayan Viciedo – 8.5
6. Brett Lawrie - 8
7. Reid Brignac - 8
8. Carlos Carrasco - 8
9. Desmond Jennings – 7.5
10. Julio Teheran – 6

Bigboy's system took a big step back for me, but the flip side of that is that I think his big league team is going to be the most improved this season (Rasmus could play a part in that). Teetered on making Stanton a 10, but I'd like to see a little more first. A lot of guys who are just projectable at this point but obviously could be great players. I like Viciedo a lot from the reports I've heard and would have taken him if I could redo the draft. I think Lawrie had more value as a catcher, but if he sticks at 2B that wouldn't be bad either.

Kazanovicz: 82/100

1. Lars Anderson – 9.5
2. Brian Matusz – 9.5
3. Austin Jackson – 8.5
4. Ben Revere – 8.5
5. James McDonald - 8
6. Brett Cecil - 8
7. Adrian Cardenas - 8
8. Engel Beltre – 7.5
9. Daniel Bard – 7.5
10. Josh Fields – 7


MauveAvenger: 81.5/100

1. Pedro Alvarez - 10
2. Josh Vitters - 9
3. Kyle Blanks – 8
4. Chris Carter - 8
5. Todd Frazier - 8
6. Brad Holt - 8
7. Jeremy Hellickson - 8
8. Aaron Poreda – 8
9. Tyler Flowers – 8
10. Casey Weathers – 6.5



Studcrackers: 79/100

1. Matt Dominguez – 9
2. Fernando Martinez - 9
3. Nick Weglarz - 8
4. Jason Donald – 8
5. Cole Rohrbough – 8
6. Julio Borbon – 8
7. Michael Main – 7.5
8. Wilin Rosario – 7.5
9, Martin Perez – 7.5
10. Chris Parmelee – 6.5


Sunshinekids99: 77/100

1. Yonder Alonso – 9.5
2. Michael Bowden - 9
3. Carlos Santana - 9
4. Wilmer Flores – 8.5
5. Beau Mills - 8
6. Andrew Lambo - 8
7. Jeff Niemann - 8
8. Brent Lillibridge – 6.5
9. Bryce Cox - 5


Benny Blanco: 76.5/100

1. Tim Beckham – 9.5
2. Jesus Montero – 9
3. Jose Tabata – 8.5
4. Jason Castro – 8
5. Jeremy Jeffress - 8
6. Adam Miller – 7.5
7. Lou Marson - 7
8. Jordan Lyles – 7

Sosafan: 51/100

1. Matt Moore – 7.5
2. Neil Walker – 6.5
3. Eric Hurley – 6.5
4. Matt Sulentic - 6
5. Nate Gold - 5
6. Thomas Diamond – 4

[CFan21]

add RP Billy Wagner

Who is this?

[wreckedangle]

Who is this?

its dad, i'd like you to come home for dinner, son

[CFan21]

Go back to the B-League, bro.

[Chach]

Get outta here before I bore you with more stories about my life you care not to hear. Be gone with you.

Is there any way that we can get Benny to stop by at some point to make his pick? mahalo
~Chach~

[bigboy1234]

Ben Revere – 8.5
Todd Frazier - 8

Uh oh. What happened here.

Good job actually taking the time to do it, god knows I wouldn't have. Kind of a flawed ranking process though. With just adding them all together. I'm also not sure if they reflect enough on actual fantasy value opposed to real life value they more look like and maybe ultimate upside isn't valued enough, as just merely a "solid regular" may not be the greatest fantasy player. There are a number of players rated higher than Desmond Jennings who you would have to be crazy to take over in this league. There are a couple other players on other teams too like that, but I'm not trying to compliment anyone elses team, so I won't mention names.

And just for fun.

Q: Tom from Atlanta asks:
Thanks for the chat, a very interesting list. A couple of Braves questions - what did the managers (at least those that saw him) have to say about Teheran? Any idea where he might have ranked if he'd been eligible? And, David Francis was quite dominant this year, how was he viewed around the league?
A:

Matt Eddy: Shoulder tendinitis took a big chunk out of Julio Teheran's debut season, but when healthy he showed an explosive 93-96 mph fastball, with the ability to touch the high 90s on occasion. He showed advanced control of his power curve and changeup, too, but his command in the zone was below-average. This would lead to him getting hit around (6.60 ERA) and to his getting down on himself. In that sense, poise is his biggest stumbling block right now — but hey, he's 17. Had he qualified, Teheran would probably have ranked No. 3, right ahead of Matt Moore, because of his incredible arm strength and plus athleticism.

And Teheran gets a 6, while Moore a 7.5, shame.

Now you just got to do the 25 and under team rankings which will tell much more about a teams young talent.

[TyCobb]

Ben Revere – 8.5
Todd Frazier - 8

Uh oh. What happened here.

Good job actually taking the time to do it, god knows I wouldn't have. Kind of a flawed ranking process though. With just adding them all together. I'm also not sure if they reflect enough on actual fantasy value opposed to real life value they more look like and maybe ultimate upside isn't valued enough, as just merely a "solid regular" may not be the greatest fantasy player. There are a number of players rated higher than Desmond Jennings who you would have to be crazy to take over in this league. There are a couple other players on other teams too like that, but I'm not trying to compliment anyone elses team, so I won't mention names.

And just for fun.

Q: Tom from Atlanta asks:
Thanks for the chat, a very interesting list. A couple of Braves questions - what did the managers (at least those that saw him) have to say about Teheran? Any idea where he might have ranked if he'd been eligible? And, David Francis was quite dominant this year, how was he viewed around the league?
A:

Matt Eddy: Shoulder tendinitis took a big chunk out of Julio Teheran's debut season, but when healthy he showed an explosive 93-96 mph fastball, with the ability to touch the high 90s on occasion. He showed advanced control of his power curve and changeup, too, but his command in the zone was below-average. This would lead to him getting hit around (6.60 ERA) and to his getting down on himself. In that sense, poise is his biggest stumbling block right now — but hey, he's 17. Had he qualified, Teheran would probably have ranked No. 3, right ahead of Matt Moore, because of his incredible arm strength and plus athleticism.

And Teheran gets a 6, while Moore a 7.5, shame.

Now you just got to do the 25 and under team rankings which will tell much more about a teams young talent.

Mr. Fowler and Mr. Hicks.

I know. I'm the bestest.

[CFan21]

I probably could have given Desmond Jennings an 8 because he does have that upside to repeat the Class A performance at higher levels, which would have made him an 8.5 or 9. Then again the likelihood is that when healthy he's a Ben Revere type grade (8.5) with a little more power, a little less average and speed. Had to dock him a point for the injury problems though.

[Chach]

There is a trade to announce.

Bigboy gets Ryan Braun and my first round prospect pick next season

Chach gets Albert Pujols, BJ Ryan, and BB's third round prospect pick next season.

Sorry sunshine but when I PMed bigboy, he sent me that offer and I was just giving up too much for a closer on a bad team when I got Ryan for upgrading to Braun. This hurts a lot because Braun is one of my favorite players but now I can claim that Miguel Cabrera turned into Tulo and Albert Pujols and helped solidify my bullpen so I am a happy clam. Maybe more to come. mahalo
~Chach~

[bigboy1234]

There is a trade to announce.

Bigboy gets Ryan Braun and my first round prospect pick next season

Chach gets Albert Pujols, BJ Ryan, and BB's third round prospect pick next season.

Sorry sunshine but when I PMed bigboy, he sent me that offer and I was just giving up too much for a closer on a bad team when I got Ryan for upgrading to Braun. This hurts a lot because Braun is one of my favorite players but now I can claim that Miguel Cabrera turned into Tulo and Albert Pujols and helped solidify my bullpen so I am a happy clam. Maybe more to come. mahalo
~Chach~

This is true, I confirm.

Sett can you put somewhere that Chach owns my 2010 3rd rounder, Kaz owns my 2010 4th rounder and I have Chach 2010 1st rounder and Kaz's 2010 1st and 2nd rounder. (All prospect picks obviously.)

[Benny Blanco]

I'm going to take Chad Qualls and drop Xavier Nady

[sunshinekids99]

There is a trade to announce.

Bigboy gets Ryan Braun and my first round prospect pick next season

Chach gets Albert Pujols, BJ Ryan, and BB's third round prospect pick next season.

Sorry sunshine but when I PMed bigboy, he sent me that offer and I was just giving up too much for a closer on a bad team when I got Ryan for upgrading to Braun. This hurts a lot because Braun is one of my favorite players but now I can claim that Miguel Cabrera turned into Tulo and Albert Pujols and helped solidify my bullpen so I am a happy clam. Maybe more to come. mahalo
~Chach~

I just got hosed. Now you have to give me Hamilton for crap. Seriously tho, seems like you got a good deal out of it atleast.

[Chach]

It was close enough that I had to pull the trigger, even though I wanted to keep Braun over Hamilton. In actuality, this might be better because while I give up some extra HRs from Braun, Hamilton is in the better line-up and will likely drive in more runs. Pujols can make up for the drop off in HRs a bit, especially compared to Connor Jackson.

Plus I get to make this FA pick. I'm picking up Jed Lowrie and dropping DeWitt. mahalo
~Chach~

[bigboy1234]

Give me Jason Motte.

[CFan21]

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