Pats sign Warren to massive extension

[The Rondo Show]

The Patriots have signed defensive end Ty Warren to a five-year, $36 million extension, which includes $17.5 million in guaranteed money, according to Adam Schefter of NFL Network.

Warren had two years remaining on his rookie deal, which was signed after the Pats made him a first-round pick in 2003. He was due to earn $1.075 million in base salary this year and $1.45 million in base salary in 2008.

Warren is part of a stellar three-man line, composed exclusively of first-round draft picks. Defensive tackle Vince Wilfork, a first-rounder in 2004, is signed through 2009. Defensive end Richard Seymour, a first-rounder in 2001, also is under contract through 2009.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Great to have him in a Pats uniform for the next 7 years. This guy was absolutely robbed of a Pro Bowl birth and really emerged into a star last year.

[Dirty Water]

if we can keep this front 3 we will be set for years to come.

whats wilfork's contract situation look like?

[Pierce 4 3]

Two down, one to go

[Fatty]

Secured the best DE combo in he NFL

[The Rondo Show]

I read a Mike Reiss piece earlier today that seemed to indicate they just ripped up Warren's current contract and he'll be a Patriot for the next 5 years, not 7.

I don't like the deal as much with it setup that way, but whatever. Like you said, the best DE combo in the NFL is now locked up long-term.

[TheCelticTruth]

I read a Mike Reiss piece earlier today that seemed to indicate they just ripped up Warren's current contract and he'll be a Patriot for the next 5 years, not 7.

I don't like the deal as much with it setup that way, but whatever. Like you said, the best DE combo in the NFL is now locked up long-term.

he may have been unhappy with his pay the next two years otherwise, so its basically like they gave him a raise for the next two years and extended him for three.

this is a great deal, i told you guys they wouldnt hesitate to pay up for warren like with asante (not that people doubted me, i dont think). bill builds from the trenches outwards, and the defensive line is the absolute key.

other people want to say we have one of the best d-lines. ive already said for two years we have the best no question. maybe it was debatable when i first said it, but considering how good these guys are and how good primary back ups wright and green are, its not even funny. thats the best five d lineman thatve been together on a team in a while. we all know what green can do, and wright is showing that he can be at least competent at anything they ask at any spot on the line. kareem brown has some serious potential behind them.

[Fatty]

I don't believe Wilfork is in the upper echlon of NTs, but I love jarvis and wright

[TheCelticTruth]

i would love to hear who is then. a guy who can rush like sapp and stuff like ted washington, wheres the weakness?

[Basketball Jesus]

i would love to hear who is then. a guy who can rush like sapp and stuff like ted washington, wheres the weakness?

The fact that he does neither. Wilfork's good, but he's not that good.

[TheCelticTruth]

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The fact that he does neither. Wilfork's good, but he's not that good.

i hate to tell anybody named jesus theyre wrong (nobody f's with the jesus) but if bill belichick calls him the best tackle hes coached and the most complete, thats good enough for me. oh, and miami coaches saidthey felt wilfork was better than sapp. sapp doesnt stuff the run, all he does is rush. wilfork plays a gap control scheme. thats why our d-line os the best. because they put up comparable numbers to players who play for the numbers while all they do is gap control. thats ridiculous.

-castillo and williams of the chargers are good but clearly augmented by their sack happy linebackers, castillo ispretty much an end now (and is a 'roid user anyway)

-casey hampton has struggled with injuries, but was better whne fully healthy, may never be quite the same player again

- haloti ngata is talented but young. the only player with a size/strength/athleticism package that really rivals wilforks

-shaun rogers, the former bust has revamped his career but is really more of a bulked up d-end who doesnt run stuff a lot

-haynesworth/stroud/henderson- inconsistent performers, semi underachievers

-mike patterson/tommie harris, theyve got the nice skill sets but are too small to be truly effective run stoppers.

in terms of fitting the bill all around, 3-4 or 4-3, without requiring rush help or stuff help, it seems to me wilfork is really a cut above. guys who are equivalent pass rushers need help stuffing the run, guys who are equivalent run stuffers can rush like he does. he doesnt weaken other aspects of your defense by being out there.

people talk a lot about corners you can leave on an island. even more rare in todays nfl is the DT who can man the middle by himself through all situations andthree downs. meet vince wilfork. quite possibly mr. underrated on the patriots.

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i hate to tell anybody named jesus theyre wrong (nobody f's with the jesus) but if bill belichick calls him the best tackle hes coached and the most complete, thats good enough for me.

Yeah, but keep in mind that when he said that, he must have been counting Seymour and Warren as DEs rather than DTs. Both are significantly better than Wilfork. I like Wilfork too, but I think saying he is the best NT in the NFL is a stretch right now. IMO Williams wins that one, and the general consensus amongst "experts" would probably be Hampton. I do think you could say Wilfork is the best young NT in the NFL though.

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I always wonder how the ESPN types explain a signing like this one, or Koppen last year. They try so hard to undermine the collection of individual talents on the Pats so they can keep shoving their "the Pats are a team of high character guys, and that's why they win" mantra down everyone's throat (an sadly, too many people even in New England actually buy it). And then the best front office in football gives a guy they never discuss as being a significant player a huge contract. Tough for mesh those two concepts, I'm curious how they justify it to themselves (because, of course, they will largely just ignore the fact that Warren is a stud during coverage).

I also makes you wonder why Warren never gets any coverage. He is clearly better than, say, Henderson in Jacksonville but gets no respect. I guess maybe because there is no footage of him getting smacked in the face by a trainer before every game?

[TheCelticTruth]

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Yeah, but keep in mind that when he said that, he must have been counting Seymour and Warren as DEs rather than DTs. Both are significantly better than Wilfork. I like Wilfork too, but I think saying he is the best NT in the NFL is a stretch right now. IMO Williams wins that one, and the general consensus amongst "experts" would probably be Hampton. I do think you could say Wilfork is the best young NT in the NFL though.

well i said our d-line was the best kind of early, so if people think im early on this one thats fine. i dont see a full time dt with a better all around game. i think seymour is better, but i think seymour is the most complete, most unassumingly dominant d lineman in the game. (and he plays end, the league just lists him as a dt because 1. he was when he came in the league and does play there some still, and 2. because thats an excuse to have more of the star DEs in the pro bowl)

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(and he plays end, the league just lists him as a dt because 1. he was when he came in the league and does play there some still, and 2. because thats an excuse to have more of the star DEs in the pro bowl)

I think he should be considered a DT, as should most guys playing the DE position on a 3-4 team. They are expected to play a very similar role to 4-3 DTs, while the outside LBs (particularly the strong side "elephant") take on the traditional DE responsibilities. I'm sure Seymour is talented enough to play DE in a 4-3 if some team wanted him too, but there just aren't a whole lot of 6'6" 310 pound DEs out there in 4-3 sets. I'm probably forgetting someone, but the only guy that I can think of who even comes close to Seymour's size who plays a true DE position is Jenkins in GB, and really they moved him all over the line last year. Also, he's still quite a 'bit smaller than Seymour is, at around 290. And perhaps most telling, the last time the Pats ran a 4-3, Seymour's rookie year, he was played at DT, not DE. And he plays with a lot more power now than he did then when he used to rely a lot more quickness, so if anything he's become more of a DT since.

well i said our d-line was the best kind of early, so if people think im early on this one thats fine. i dont see a full time dt with a better all around game

Don't get me wrong, I love when people come up with outside the box stuff like this. It shows a willingness to ignore the traditional NFL media view, which is great since the NFL has by far the worst media coverage of any professional sport (in terms of quality, not quantity). I just happen to think you're off the mark this time. If you just want to talk about the best all-around game, and don't want to count 3-4 DEs like Seymour/Warren, it's pretty hard to argue against Kevin Williams. He was mostly just a pass rusher when he was younger, but the past couple seasons he's become very, very good at stuffing the run as well.

Anyway, I agree Wilfork is good, and likely underrated around the NFL. I just don't think he is the most complete DT in the league.

[TheCelticTruth]

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Don't get me wrong, I love when people come up with outside the box stuff like this. It shows a willingness to ignore the traditional NFL media view, which is great since the NFL has by far the worst media coverage of any professional sport (in terms of quality, not quantity). I just happen to think you're off the mark this time. If you just want to talk about the best all-around game, and don't want to count 3-4 DEs like Seymour/Warren, it's pretty hard to argue against Kevin Williams. He was mostly just a pass rusher when he was younger, but the past couple seasons he's become very, very good at stuffing the run as well.

Anyway, I agree Wilfork is good, and likely underrated around the NFL. I just don't think he is the most complete DT in the league.

mike reiss follows my line of thought in nfl notes yesterday, and i dont see how it matters what positions he [seymour] could play, his position is technically DE. vick cant be a great passer but hes still a qb.

[TheCelticTruth]

Wilfork Burns This Daft Card- John Thomase
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/foot ... id=1029914

"FOXBORO - Were it not for the presence of Tom Brady [stats], Vince Wilfork [stats] might be the best player on the best team in football.

At worst, he