College players thread/ Draft Related thread

Krapinsky · Post #1141 » by **Krapinsky** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:21 pm

A "poor mans" Derek Fisher is a little unfair. I see why you make the comparison, because Curry seems like he would thrive in a system like the Lakers or Cavaliers have, but at worst, I think Curry has more play making ability and is much more of an offensive threat.

The Sam Cassell comparison seems pretty close to me. Cassell was always able to excel with limited athletic ability. The only difference I think is that Cassell was a better midrange threat and Curry is more of a long range threat.

Curry's bonus is how valuable he is going to be at the end of games, at 1) the free throw line and 2) as a shooter when the game is on the line.

john2jer · Post #1142 » by **john2jer** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:38 pm

I'm not saying they've overachieved, I think they were under-rated. I'm looking forward to the tournament, it's so wide open this year, and so many guys have a chance to make a name for themselves, Evans being a big one.

Winter Wonder · Post #1143 » by **Winter Wonder** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:28 pm

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:
john2jer wrote:
Did you just admit to wanting Galinari and Yi?

Yeah he did. All credibility out the window.

Even more reason to avoid him

I admit to liking unique talents and prospects. Both Yi and Danillo are multi-faceted long players that can bring a number of different possibilites to the floor. I am not saying they were the best picks in their drafts but they haven't been failures either.

Yi, though demanding a trade (was it China or him?) has done more in his NBA career then Brewer (mainly do the the injury, granted), but has continued to develop and still has that potential word attached to him. Danillo has accomplished more in professional ball then Love. Now granted, all euroleague, had more time there, and that really doesn't mean much for NBA success. He was injured and has been looking fairly well since his return. Too early to pass judgement here, but at least he doesn't play the PF like Jefferson does (liked Yi pre-Jefferson, and still didn't see a sure fit when we had Garnet, though Yi has some SF skills similar to Bargani).

Regardless, like what we could have in Love and Brewer, but that doesn't mean the prospects of Galinari and Yi were horrible ideas back at the time and still don't appear any worse now.

As for Thabeet, I want a legitimate 7 ft plus center that isn't a stiff (Collins). If Mullins comes out and we can get him with a mid to later first, great. And I am not saying Thabeet doesn't need a bunch of work, but watching the impact his presence made in the Syracuse OT game, hard to argue what he could bring to the team. He really just needs to learn the game. He does not look fluent and does not seem to exert himself as much as one would like. But the possibilites if he figured it out. I see another Mutumbo is all, and in his prime, Mutumbo was pretty dang good. I still remember when Denver with Mutumbo upset Seattle in the playoffs back in the day. Would be nice to have that here in MN.

Frozen316 · Post #1144 » by **Frozen316** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:48 pm

He might make Tony Parker think twice about putting up shots around the rim.

Rakocevicftw · Post #1145 » by **Rakocevicftw** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:51 pm

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:
john2jer wrote:
Winter Wonder wrote:I am SO on the Thabeet wagon for the Wolves. He is the player I want on this team more than any.... which of course means we have no chance at him ala my wanting of Galinari and Yi the previous two year. Nonetheless, he is my primary semi realistic choice. Rubio would be first, but I don't consider him realistic at this point, whether he actually declares or where our pick ends up, just can't see it happening. So Thabeet or bust are my hopes, which means we will end up with Hill, Monroe, or someone else I think is redundent that I will end up liking more once he is here...

Did you just admit to wanting Galinari and Yi?

Yeah he did. All credibility out the window.

Even more reason to avoid him

What's wrong with liking Gallinari? He's looked very promising. He just has that unfortunate back injury, which no one could have known was going to happen.

The guy is shooting 96 percent from the line and 44 percent from 3, and he's a big, athletic small forward who can pass..... Are you guys aware of this?

Rakocevicftw · Post #1146 » by **Rakocevicftw** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:56 pm

If Pekovic is a Wolf, then the minutes at the 5 are locked up, right? Between Love, Jefferson and Pekovic, would Thabeet even get 20 minutes a game?

Or is Thabeet partly insurance against Pekovic not coming over?

Winter Wonder · Post #1147 » by **Winter Wonder** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:04 pm

Valid point Rako. I forget about Pek sometimes and if he comes over that definitely makes the pick of Thabeet less enticing.

The thing with Pek though, and I am a fan and excited we have his rights for the Wolves, is that he seems fairly similar to what we have. Decent low post scorer, strong, rebounds well, but not much of a defensive presence. I could be wrong, but he sounds like more of a scorer, which we seem to have in the post, and is 6'11"? I know 7ft isn't the end all be all, but I am tired of short centers in MN. Granted, slow and unatheletic 7ft'ers don't help either, but Thabeet doesn't seem to be this type of player and gives quite a different element.

I think that Pek will come to the team, but until he does, I won't go about building the team around him or anything. It would be a nice problem to have 4 (potentailly) solid big men to work with and play or trade. Shrink may have a field day with a (potentially) solid proven asset like that.

Krapinsky · Post #1148 » by **Krapinsky** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:08 pm

Rakocevicftw wrote:[

What's wrong with liking Gallinari? He's looked very promising. He just has that unfortunate back injury, which no one could have known was going to happen.

The guy is shooting 96 percent from the line and 44 percent from 3, and he's a big, athletic small forward who can pass..... Are you guys aware of this?

I've stated my fondness for him in the past, but it's one thing to like him and another to think he was the third best player in last year's draft.

Winter Wonder · Post #1149 » by **Winter Wonder** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:18 pm

Oh I don't recall saying he was the third best player, maybe I have to go back and re-read my post... Mayo was the pick at 3, without a doubt. I just said I liked Gallinari. I wouldn't have minded/hoped trading down for Danillo with other assets acquired, as we did with Love.

Additionally, I liked the fit better with Foye/Brewer/Gallinari/Jefferson/? This gave a point forward (with some lenght and height to him ala Pippen with less D and more O) type to help Foye with the ball-handling duties and that could create a bit on offense. Granted, now his injury seems a bit prolonged. We shall see what he is like when he comes back to playing next year.

Post #1150 » by **revprodeji** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:22 pm

In this draft we do not think of need as much as talent. (Except at the 4 where we have two of our core pieces) What that means is that we draft the BPA and make the moves to get the BPA no matter what. So we can draft a Thabeast and then use the asset of Pekovic to make a trade. I love Pekovic, but we need to get the most out of limited assets.

Luckily our minor pieces are players that can fit different roles. Gomes can be a starting 3 or a bench 3 or a fast line-up 4. Brewer can grow as a 3 or 2. Foye is still not sure of his role. Miller can be the 3 or 2 can be a point-fwd too. And even bassy is coming around.

So that is 2 core pieces, 5 decent rotation guys, 1 stashed euro and cash flexability. Just make something happen front office.

btw, I love Curry. Fischer was a huge compliment. He is a clutch shooter, great lockerroom and community guy, underrated defender and stablizes the backcourt. Maybe Curry will be a better playmaker, but he has the similar "fit" ability as Fischer. How about a Fischer/T.Brandon cross? I was one of the first to introduce the Bibby for a ceiling idea. I still affirm that idea. But I think that is his ceiling. Bibby was a crazy good college freshman pg.

Fact of the matter is he is a better draft PG prospect than Teague. BY FAR.

Frozen316 · Post #1151 » by **Frozen316** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:23 pm

It would be dreadful to watch the team if we didn't have Love, but had the injured Gallinari, along with injured Corey and Al. But would be kind of interesting to see what the Rhino cookie could do given a lot of touches.

Post #1152 » by **revprodeji** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:26 pm

You do understand that Gallinari is appealing for many of the things Mike Miller does for us now, right? I liked him as a pre-draft prospect, but the fact that we got Love and Miller is crazy. That move is going to be seen as even better once we get healthy and add some pieces.

Frozen316 · Post #1153 » by **Frozen316** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:29 pm

Hopefully Mike Miller's body can hold out for a few more years. He seems to take a lot of beatings :/

Post #1154 » by **revprodeji** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:38 pm

Yea he does, but he has been that way since High school and Florida. The thing is Skinny's skill set is not dependent on his age. So he should age very well. He wants to be here and that could be a good long-term thing. he passes well, shoots well and brings a professional atmosphere. I just wish he would shoot more. it is really weird. Love/Miller should be a crazy nasty pick/pop duo.

Krapinsky · Post #1155 » by **Krapinsky** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:39 pm

I already changed my mind on Henderson, lol. I'll take him at 6. He has tools. Earlier, I compared him to Dahtany Jones from the only game I had seen (he was quiet), but now I rescind that comment.

I like him more than Thabeet/Teague/Jennings/Warren/Aminu that's for sure. I like Turner/Evans too, but probably rank them Henderson/Turner/Evans. All three deserve top 10 pick consideration.

Take Henderson 6 and then with the Miami pick take best PG available -- Curry/Lawson/Flynn/Maynor, or I'd be willing to take a flyer on Mullens if he were still available.

With Utah or Boston maybe go for a SF-- Sam Young/T. Williams and trade the other for a future #1.

Frozen316 · Post #1156 » by **Frozen316** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:53 pm

Here's a question, if BJ Mullens drops to our 2nd round pick like DeAndre Jordan, do you take BJ?

Krapinsky · Post #1157 » by **Krapinsky** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:55 pm

Yeah. I'd take him with the Utah or Boston pick first though.

theGreatRC · Post #1158 » by **theGreatRC** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:56 pm

Frozen316 wrote:Here's a question, if BJ Mullens drops to our 2nd round pick like DeAndre Jordan, do you take BJ?

I'd take a BJ in a second.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #1159 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:11 am

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:I already changed my mind on Henderson, lol. I'll take him at 6. He has tools. Earlier, I compared him to Dahtany Jones from the only game I had seen (he was quiet), but now I rescind that comment.

I like him more than Thabeet/Teague/Jennings/Warren/Aminu that's for sure. I like Turner/Evans too, but probably rank them Henderson/Turner/Evans. All three deserve top 10 pick consideration.

Take Henderson 6 and then with the Miami pick take best PG available -- Curry/Lawson/Flynn/Maynor, or I'd be willing to take a flyer on Mullens if he were still available.

With Utah or Boston maybe go for a SF-- Sam Young/T. Williams and trade the other for a future #1.

I don't want Henderson anywhere in the 1st round, thats how I roll - in a circle like a wheel

Krapinsky · Post #1160 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:19 am

Devilzsidewalk wrote:
Dr.Krapinsky wrote:I already changed my mind on Henderson, lol. I'll take him at 6. He has tools. Earlier, I compared him to Dahtany Jones from the only game I had seen (he was quiet), but now I rescind that comment.

I like him more than Thabeet/Teague/Jennings/Warren/Aminu that's for sure. I like Turner/Evans too, but probably rank them Henderson/Turner/Evans. All three deserve top 10 pick consideration.

Take Henderson 6 and then with the Miami pick take best PG available -- Curry/Lawson/Flynn/Maynor, or I'd be willing to take a flyer on Mullens if he were still available.

With Utah or Boston maybe go for a SF-- Sam Young/T. Williams and trade the other for a future #1.

I don't want Henderson anywhere in the 1st round, thats how I roll - in a circle like a wheel

That's sort of how I feel about Teague, and to a lesser extent Thabeet.