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ny_illmatic · Post #61 » by **ny_illmatic** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:39 am

I was impressed with Hughes as well..very nasty stuff from a 20 year old in his first start.

This isn't looking good though..looks like 6 straight losses..hope im wrong

NYKnSTILL! · Post #62 » by **NYKnSTILL!** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:40 am

Jitpal wrote:Procter is done. He needs to be shut down for a month and see if he can get his stuff back. Otherwise let's try and move him for Lidge. -Jitpal

anyone can see he's tired. he's getting under his throws right now

ccvle · Post #63 » by **ccvle** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:40 am

if torre bring in igawa in the 5th then half of you guys will say torre gave up too soon.

NYKnSTILL! · Post #64 » by **NYKnSTILL!** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:42 am

ccvle wrote:if torre bring in igawa in the 5th then half of you guys will say torre gave up too soon.

I'd rather he busts Igawa's arm than Proctor, Brunney and Vizcaino.

Jitpal · Post #65 » by **Jitpal** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:42 am

34Celtic wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

He is supposed to be on a pitch count all year. I don't know if he ever threw over 80 last yr. Point being they are not going to jeapordize his career to save one season. Also he could have done a better job locating his pitchis tonight.

I say all this as Proctor throws a curve in the dirt and a run scores

sweeeeet

Well the plan in AAA was to get him to 100 pitches by mid-way through the season. Meaning by June he should be out of that 90 pitch count and be right there with the rest of the guys. Of course, he could have done better so could all the other guys I mentioned but they didn't. Thing is he still did better than all of them and even the hits he gave up were off of good pitches not 85 mph straight fast balls up in the zone. The kid is known for excellent control, he got into trouble with that that in the first inning and he will be fine as it goes along. -Jitpal

Jitpal · Post #66 » by **Jitpal** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:43 am

NYKnSTILL! wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

anyone can see he's tired. he's getting under his throws right now

Exactly, which is why I said that we should shut him down for a month. -Jitpal

ccvle · Post #67 » by **ccvle** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:44 am

proctor is just going through a slump.

Jitpal · Post #68 » by **Jitpal** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:45 am

ccvle wrote:if torre bring in igawa in the 5th then half of you guys will say torre gave up too soon.

A healthy and fresh Igawa is giving up 3-4 runs and not hurting us tomorrow with tired relievers. Putting in tired relievers and giving up 3-4 runs(like they did) hurts us tomorrow because extra rest could help Bruney, Henn and Vizcaino be ready to pitch against the Red Sox. -Jitpal

cmaff051 · Post #69 » by **cmaff051** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:47 am

What exactly did Proctor do wrong? He gave up a sacrifice fly and a wild pitch. Big deal. He is not going through a slump. He isn't Houdini. What did you expect him to do. He's fine.

ccvle · Post #70 » by **ccvle** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:48 am

all im going to say is torre didnt killed proctor's arm or villone's arm last year. Proctor was going strong into august and september. Villone did suck after the all stars but historically villone just suck in the second half.

ccvle · Post #71 » by **ccvle** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:49 am

cmaff051 wrote:What exactly did Proctor do wrong? He gave up a sacrifice fly and a wild pitch. Big deal. He is not going through a slump. He isn't Houdini. What did you expect him to do. He's fine.

well, then what the hell are people complaining about proctor being dead out there?

NYKnSTILL! · Post #72 » by **NYKnSTILL!** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:53 am

ccvle wrote:all im going to say is torre didnt killed proctor's arm or villone's arm last year. Proctor was going strong into august and september. Villone did suck after the all stars but historically villone just suck in the second half.

historically Torre has killed very prominant names in the Mid relief game over and over. I've seen Proctor improve immensely and all I notice is after 8 MRP appearances his arm by some coincidence is getting under his pitches and that causes the ball to sail on you.

Don't tell me Torre is not at fault for this. :wavefinger:

34Celtic · Post #73 » by **34Celtic** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:53 am

Jitpal wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

A healthy and fresh Igawa is giving up 3-4 runs and not hurting us tomorrow with tired relievers. Putting in tired relievers and giving up 3-4 runs(like they did) hurts us tomorrow because extra rest could help Bruney, Henn and Vizcaino be ready to pitch against the Red Sox. -Jitpal

Because Torre is supposed to plan on letting up 3-4 runs when he brings in each releiver. He wasn't giving up on this game. He wants to win a game not lose 6 straight going into that series. Plus we have Pettitte tomorrow who is on a weeks rest, gonna be good for 7 no matter what.

TKF · Post #74 » by **TKF** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:55 am

so now we are getting shut down by Burnett. This guy was available, but the yankees couldn't make a play on him last year because we were busy carying slugs like pavano and Randy johnson.. I swear this organization is poorly run... really we are a mess...

Pharmcat · Post #75 » by **Pharmcat** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:58 am

this team blows, seriously :lol:

ccvle · Post #76 » by **ccvle** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:00 am

NYKnSTILL! wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

historically Torre has killed very prominant names in the Mid relief game over and over. I've seen Proctor improve immensely and all I notice is after 8 MRP appearances his arm by some coincidence is getting under his pitches and that causes the ball to sail on you.

Don't tell me Torre is not at fault for this.

prominent names like who in recent years? paul quantrill is the closest one I can think of, but i wouldn't consider him prominent.

NYKnSTILL! · Post #77 » by **NYKnSTILL!** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:07 am

ccvle wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

prominent names like who in recent years? paul quantrill is the closest one I can think of, but i wouldn't consider him prominent.

excuse me he's killed MRP left and right

Villone was more than solid last season
Tanyon Sturtze use to throw 96 mph
Quantrill was a solid MRP
Proctor was beat bown last year too
Mo was shut down too

Torre has been doing it for years, his time is slowly leaking out even look at his lineup moves and substitution patterns since Zimmer left , what move could you say yeah that was a great move ? He's done.

ccvle · Post #78 » by **ccvle** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:16 am

Please.

Villone always posted excellent(2 something) ERA in the first half then absolutely suck( +5era) in the second half.

Sturtze<----- you call this dude prominent? Out of his entire career,he was good for half a season.

Quantrill- he did suck badly in the second half in 04.

Proctor-again, last season, proctor was pitching strong into aug and sept. I think those two months were his best,except for april.

NYKnSTILL! · Post #79 » by **NYKnSTILL!** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:19 am

ccvle wrote:Please.

Villone always posted excellent(2 something) ERA in the first half then absolutely suck( +5era) in the second half.

Sturtze<----- you call this dude prominent? Out of his entire career,he was good for half a season.

Quantrill- he did suck badly in the second half in 04.

Proctor-again, last season, proctor was pitching strong into aug and sept. I think those two months were his best,except for april.

True or False did they not go to the DL because of Torre

True or False has Torre sucked this year as a decision maker

if all of this is true then what is going on here is your deciding w/ the heart.

ccvle · Post #80 » by **ccvle** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:22 am

True or False? Sturtze sucks with or without torre?
True or False Villone always sucks in the second half?