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Does Moore have a low basketball IQ?

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Does Moore have a low basketball IQ? 

Post#1 » by campybatman » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:22 am

He doesn't seem to be cognizant of the fact that the bench is depleted and he must stay out of foul trouble. He's having difficulties understanding this and isn't playing intelligent defense.

I know they say Scalabrine has a high basketball IQ and I wonder if Moore plays less minutes once Scalabrine is cleared to return. Because Scalabrine has played power forward and center this season.
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Re: Does Moore have a low basketball IQ? 

Post#2 » by Dogen » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:39 am

When we signed him I thought--- well, now at least we have another 6 fouls coming off the bench for our front court. But Mikki, this doesn't mean you have to actually use all of them each game.
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Re: Does Moore have a low basketball IQ? 

Post#3 » by SonicYouth34 » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:48 am

I think he's still adjusting to the system and the defensive rotations. As a result, he's a little out of position and getting fouls.
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Re: Does Moore have a low basketball IQ? 

Post#4 » by SuigintouEV » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:51 am

This guy really has one real value as a basketball player and that's his ability to finish plays generated for him by other guys, whether its off cuts or jumpers.

imo he's a pretty awful defender, rebounder, etc, and dudes thin as a twig, i bet stephon could probably post him up.

He's certainly no PJ Brown.

it's really a pity perkins didn't become a reliable shooter from ~15 feet, he could really have had a huge impact in lessening the starters' turnovers, his own, and being a threat to score so the stars can get in the paint.

moore brings that jumper, but none of the skills or size that make perkins so valuable. It's really a testiment to PJ Brown that he was a reliable defender who could stick the open jumper. Hopefully the celtics make it through the playoffs this year off of thier starting lineups, then bring in rasho in the offseason.
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Re: Does Moore have a low basketball IQ? 

Post#5 » by sully00 » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:59 am

SonicYouth34 wrote:I think he's still adjusting to the system and the defensive rotations. As a result, he's a little out of position and getting fouls.


Exactly, in Sacramento they played straight man to man and didn't double, the Nets don't either, see Paul Pierce's stats against the Nets. He has to be overwhelmed with Boston's defensive rotations and he has gone fromnot playing to 10 mpg to 30 in two weeks.

I think he looks better and better on both ends but instead of don't screw it up we are looking for don't commit a foul we need you to play for 40 mins. Actually from watching the game tonight I think Doc is telling his bigs to play their game and be aggressive defensively so they don't become passive and if they foul out they foul out. The benefit of that will be come postseason though it can be tough on the wins an losses now.
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Re: Does Moore have a low basketball IQ? 

Post#6 » by mrblunt » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:45 am

Yeah, all he knows how to do is shoot that 14ft jumper. He fails at all the other aspects of basketball.
He couldn't even get minutes on Sacramento. Trust me I watched him I have to watch Sacramento games. Also, he got cut by them that's pathetic, not even Shelden Williams was cut he got traded. :lol:
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Re: Does Moore have a low basketball IQ? 

Post#7 » by sunshinekids99 » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:42 am

I still think Moore was cut with a wink wink deal with the Celtics.

As for Moore's game he does have a nice 15 ft and he plays with hustle. It just seems he is a half step to slow which results in him being a hack. I don't know if it's a BB IQ or just not knowing the system yet.
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Re: Does Moore have a low basketball IQ? 

Post#8 » by Kefa461 » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:46 am

sunshinekids99 wrote:I still think Moore was cut with a wink wink deal with the Celtics.

As for Moore's game he does have a nice 15 ft and he plays with hustle. It just seems he is a half step to slow which results in him being a hack. I don't know if it's a BB IQ or just not knowing the system yet.


I'd like to see him on the floor with KG for a bit...before making judgment...... 8-)
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Re: Does Moore have a low basketball IQ? 

Post#9 » by Jammer » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:49 am

Mikki Moore's disappointing performance is virtually identical in Boston and Sacramento.

Team ************ PER ************** Opponent PER ***** NET PER
Sacramento ****** 9.7 ******************* 20.0 ************ -10.2
Boston ************ 9.4 ******************* 22.4 ************ -13.0

Mikki is weak on the block,
lacking the lower body strength to be able to establish a post position on offense
or keep an opponent off the block on defense;

and Mikki doesn't have the respect of referees
so Mikki gets called for fouls like a rookie.
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Re: Does Moore have a low basketball IQ? 

Post#10 » by MyInsatiableOne » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:49 am

SonicYouth34 wrote:I think he's still adjusting to the system and the defensive rotations. As a result, he's a little out of position and getting fouls.


Yep, this is what I think. I think a lot of people on here think a new guy can just come in and be effective immediately. It's not that easy...Moore is still learning the plays, rotations, style, how to trust and be trusted by his teammates, etc...

It will all come together in time...
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Re: Does Moore have a low basketball IQ? 

Post#11 » by GuyClinch » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:01 pm

I have seen Moore play quite a bit in NJ. He is at least as good as BBD overall..(which isn't saying that much). But he can help our team..
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Re: Does Moore have a low basketball IQ? 

Post#12 » by Dogen » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:08 pm

Jammer wrote:
Mikki is weak on the block,
lacking the lower body strength to be able to establish a post position on offense
or keep an opponent off the block on defense;

and Mikki doesn't have the respect of referees
so Mikki gets called for fouls like a rookie.


That kind of sums up what I've seen so far. Mikki will improve with the team, but I doubt we see him at any extended minutes in the playoffs-- maybe if the matchup calls for it but I'd rather see Powe/Davis get the minutes.

Mikki doesn't have a good center of gravity for defense, nor is he quick to the ball on rebounds. But the fact remains that he was an available veteran 7 footer with an active motor and decent jumpshot. I can see why Danny wanted him but he doesn't make me forget about Joe Smith strength and BBIQ wise.
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Re: Does Moore have a low basketball IQ? 

Post#13 » by MyInsatiableOne » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:31 pm

GuyClinch wrote:I have seen Moore play quite a bit in NJ. He is at least as good as BBD overall..(which isn't saying that much). But he can help our team..


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I would say he's better in that he can actually get up to the rim and finish around the hoop...
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Re: Does Moore have a low basketball IQ? 

Post#14 » by Red2 » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:36 pm

he reaches way too much on D and commits stupid fouls. most of his fouls are of the stupid variety ( like Perk). I don't mind the hard fouls trying to prevent a guy from scoring but the silly stuff has to stop. I agree that considering how short handed we are you'd think he would TRY to stay in the game. He's fouled out twice in a row and quickly too. I htought he gave us a nice lift for a while in the bulls game but then he fouled out and that cost us down the stretch. with garnett back I think our front line is going to look a lot different and Moore wil learn from Garnett. Garnett also covers up other people's mistakes ( see Ray ALlen for example trying to defend salmons) so other teams won't be able to drive on us as much. I think we';re going to get on a nice little roll pretty soon. It may not happen this weekend but in a few games we should start to get some momentum going again
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Re: Does Moore have a low basketball IQ? 

Post#15 » by Athanacropolis » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:42 pm

Hm. I'm not going to denigrate the man's basketball IQ. I agree with the posters here who said that it's unfamiliarity with the system. You have to remember, he's playing a lot more than he's going to when the team is finally healthy. I think as a 10-12 minute a game type of player, he'll be a great sparkplug for the bench (not to mention 6 more fouls). Didn't he have 9 or 10 rebounds last night? That's not too shabby. I'm not saying he's going to grab that many boards all the time, but still.
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Re: Does Moore have a low basketball IQ? 

Post#16 » by campybatman » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:58 pm

What I'm asking of Moore is for him to become more aware of the team's current situation. He must understand that the team is in dire need of him to be available for more minutes due to injuries of teammates. That's common sense. When I write about a player possibly having a low basketball IQ. I'm saying: You're able to know certain things about the game on your own without the need of others to make some things aware to you. It has to be frustrating for Rivers and staff to see Moore waste his fouls in part to mental mistakes. Players do tend to play for longer minutes when they aren't in foul trouble and the head coach can trust you to play longer while another rest. Because at some point, Moore has to realize that it's on him and not entirely of a result of him still learning the defensive sets and rotations.
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Re: Does Moore have a low basketball IQ? 

Post#17 » by Cyclical » Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:29 pm

I don't think it's about IQ. Jar Jar just doesn't have the talent. His calling card is Energy, which is cool. It's something most teams need for a guy coming off the bench, just don't expect him to be any kind of a stopper. He better learn our defensive schemes quickly since he's never been nor will he ever be a good one-on-one defender. When his jumpshot is not falling he can be a liability. Still, having said all that, he's an upgrade over POB.
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Re: Does Moore have a low basketball IQ? 

Post#18 » by Rocky5000 » Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:31 pm

I don't think he's dumb per se. But he seems to foul way too much, in fact over the last 5 games, he's first in the league in fouls! The other thing that he does that makes you shake your head is pass up the wide open looks. On numerous occasions he's been uncovered staring down 8 foot shots, and forced the ball to someone who is being covered. He was brought in because of his ability to hit an uncovered jumper, but if he doesn't take those shots, there's not much use playing him. I hope that having KG back will help him realize what he needs to do. KG acts like a coach on the defensive end, so Mikki should be able to get to the right spots.
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Re: Does Moore have a low basketball IQ? 

Post#19 » by GuyClinch » Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:35 pm

^^^ He will start taking those J's. I agree he is passing up too many open looks but its kind of an epidemic with the current team out there. Perkins is passing up a ton of open Js as well and Marbury isn't far behind.
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Re: Does Moore have a low basketball IQ? 

Post#20 » by Avalanche » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:11 pm

yeah Marbury and Moore are just focussed on trying to fit in at the moment, and are passing up shots as a result... once we get the team back together and they have played a few games he (and steph) will start putting those open jumpers up.... and hopefully in
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