College players thread/ Draft Related thread

Krapinsky · Post #1161 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:21 am

I just see something in how Henderson can drive his man off, elevate, and sink those mid range jumpers. And in crunch time no less.

Post #1162 » by **revprodeji** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:29 am

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:I already changed my mind on Henderson, lol. I'll take him at 6. He has tools. Earlier, I compared him to Dahtany Jones from the only game I had seen (he was quiet), but now I rescind that comment.

I like him more than Thabeet/Teague/Jennings/Warren/Aminu that's for sure. I like Turner/Evans too, but probably rank them Henderson/Turner/Evans. All three deserve top 10 pick consideration.

Take Henderson 6 and then with the Miami pick take best PG available -- Curry/Lawson/Flynn/Maynor, or I'd be willing to take a flyer on Mullens if he were still available.

With Utah or Boston maybe go for a SF-- Sam Young/T. Williams and trade the other for a future #1.

Henderson just does not do it for me. I do not think he is special. Reminds me of Keith Bogans or Maybe Courtney Alexander.

I like Thabeast and (depending on the spot) Aminu

Krapinsky · Post #1163 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:31 am

Update, now nbadraft.net and DX have us taking Henderson. Hmmm...

For a player on Duke, it seems he hasn't received a ton of exposure this year. Wait until after the tourney and my guess is people around here will be singing his praises.

Post #1164 » by **revprodeji** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:57 am

Unless Duke loses to us in the second round.

karch34 · Post #1165 » by **karch34** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:55 am

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:I already changed my mind on Henderson, lol. I'll take him at 6. He has tools. Earlier, I compared him to Dahtany Jones from the only game I had seen (he was quiet), but now I rescind that comment.

I like him more than Thabeet/Teague/Jennings/Warren/Aminu that's for sure. I like Turner/Evans too, but probably rank them Henderson/Turner/Evans. All three deserve top 10 pick consideration.

Take Henderson 6 and then with the Miami pick take best PG available -- Curry/Lawson/Flynn/Maynor, or I'd be willing to take a flyer on Mullens if he were still available.

With Utah or Boston maybe go for a SF-- Sam Young/T. Williams and trade the other for a future #1.

I'm not sure where I'd rank Henderson, but I like him too. I think it might be being in a system like Duke's where you have so many McD's All Americans that maybe he doesn't get to stand out like he would on another lesser team. I see a lot of what Dr. K likes about his game and I think he could be a guy that doesn't get the hype, but could be a very good SG in the NBA.

I like your thoughts on the picks as well and wouldn't be upset with that scenario. If we did have 4 picks I'd still try to grab a 7 footer with the Boston pick, if we didn't get one with the other 3.

deeney0 · Post #1166 » by **deeney0** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:08 am

I like Henderson, I see more Raja Bell or Wizards-era Larry Hughes than Bogans. I'd rather draft him than Aminu (Wolves can't afford to have a SF who can't hit the broad side of a barn from behind the arc) or Thabeet (Wolves starting frontcourt is set for the next decade, and the other three starters are up in the air. Drafting a C is not an option.). Henderson would be my Plan B if all of the PG's in Plan A fail for one reason or another.

4ho5ive · Post #1167 » by **4ho5ive** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:25 am

I too have been watching Henderson closely, i really like him as a player at the next level, just not with the #6 pick.

macswell · Post #1168 » by **macswell** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:51 am

Good news for us. Its looking more and more like Rubio will be entering the draft.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/chris_mannix/03/18/rubio/?eref=sicrc

Vindicater · Post #1169 » by **Vindicater** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:09 pm

deeney0 wrote:or Thabeet (Wolves starting frontcourt is set for the next decade, and the other three starters are up in the air. Drafting a C is not an option.).

Really? You think our frontcourt for the future is Jefferson/Love/Smith?

Pekovic is still a huge question mark and any contending frontline needs to be three deep, I think Thabeet is a perfect third big man.

With Thabeet we have the option of going Offensive (Love/Jefferson), defensive (Love/Thabeet) or balanced (Jefferson/Thabeet)

Post #1170 » by **revprodeji** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:08 pm

deeney0 wrote:I like Henderson, I see more Raja Bell or Wizards-era Larry Hughes than Bogans. I'd rather draft him than Aminu (Wolves can't afford to have a SF who can't hit the broad side of a barn from behind the arc) or Thabeet (Wolves starting frontcourt is set for the next decade, and the other three starters are up in the air. Drafting a C is not an option.). Henderson would be my Plan B if all of the PG's in Plan A fail for one reason or another.

Wizards Hughes is crazy good. Awesome defender and primary ball handler. That is a really bold comparison.

Our frontcourt needs one more wheel. A 7ft+ shot blocker is the perfect fit. if you can grab Thabeast you take him over anyone not named Rubio.

48+48=96
Last two years Al Jefferson gets 36
Love projects as a 32
That leaves 28.

Not counting if we want to limit Al, or injuries. That means we have room for another starter. Limiting Minutes is also a great way to keep bigs healthy.

(*I really wish Hibbert was the 3rd big)

Post #1171 » by **C.lupus** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:25 pm

My latest wet dream scenario:

WAS gets a top 2 pick in the Lottery but doesn't want to add the salary.

We trade the Miami pick + the rights to Pekovic and maybe the Utah pick if it is next year

for

WAS pick

Washington gets a late lottery pick (lower salary) and a cheap (and deferred) center replacement for Haywood when he leaves for FA. Assuming the Utah pick is deferred, they get an extra pick next year.

We draft Rubio with the WAS pick and Thabeet with ours

Jefferson/Thabeet
Love/Jefferson
Gomes/Miller
Foye/Brewer
Rubio/Telfair

the_bruce · Post #1172 » by **the_bruce** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:57 pm

I think they could do better to be honest. They'd probably want to get under the lux or maybe want a future defered pick that has no lotto protection like the NYK pick utah owns.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #1173 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:01 pm

if they don't want to add salary, they'd be better off trading Blatche/Stevenson to somebody under the cap. I'd jump on that trade personally. Blatche is good, but if I'm Washington I'm not giving up a top 5 pick if I had a chance to do aforementioned trade instead

john2jer · Post #1174 » by **john2jer** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:12 pm

Thabeet brings exactly what we need at the center position. He rebounds and blocks shots. We don't need a huge offensive game out of him, just improve our defense, which should lead to easier transition baskets.

Galinari is sitting in Europe with a broken back right now. There were rumors of a back injury right before the draft. I don't see how anyone could say he'd have been good to take. Talent and skillset don't mean anything if you can't get off the trainer's table.

Assuming everyone goes where they should and no huge slips, I prefer Rubio, Thabeet, Evans, then...

Devilzsidewalk · Post #1175 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:33 pm

john2jer wrote:Thabeet brings exactly what we need at the center position. He rebounds and blocks shots. We don't need a huge offensive game out of him, just improve our defense, which should lead to easier transition baskets.

but everytime he's on the court, one of our 2 best players is going to be on the bench

Post #1176 » by **Worm Guts** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:42 pm

That's the problem you face when your 2 best players play the same position.

the_bruce · Post #1177 » by **the_bruce** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:55 pm

You can't really pass on thabeet. A 3 man rotation of love\jeferson\thabeet is pretty sick. My dream draft scenario goes like this now in order.

Griffin\Rubio\Thabeet\Harden if none of those guys are on board just taken Evans.

If MN takes one of Rubio\Thabeet\Griffin\Harden hope Evans slips to the MIA pick or trade up to get him if his stock rises.

Do the DAL stack for miller trade, buyout stack. Make a offer for Williams with extra cap space. Fetch Kirk for expirings + pick(BOS or UTAH)

x + Evans + Williams + Kirk

john2jer · Post #1178 » by **john2jer** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:26 pm

Al Jeff playing 36 (Although I doubt he's healthy at the start of next season, or if he is, he won't be putting in a ton of minutes early on.)

KevLar playing 32

ThaBEAT playing 28 minutes.

There's your 96 total minutes, with Cookie getting Al's minutes early on, or foul trouble, injuries, or the minutes Thabeast hasn't earned right away. We'd be fine.

Ideally we'd get to a point where we'd be good enough as a team that we could limit minutes to 32-34 and not have to rely so much on Al until the play-offs. Tim Duncan style.

Krapinsky · Post #1179 » by **Krapinsky** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:38 pm

I pass on Thabeet.

I just picture box scores like this:

19 min 1-4 FG 1-2 FT 4 rbs 2 blocks 5 PF 3 pts

Devilzsidewalk · Post #1180 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:47 pm

john2jer wrote:Al Jeff playing 36 (Although I doubt he's healthy at the start of next season, or if he is, he won't be putting in a ton of minutes early on.)

KevLar playing 32

ThaBEAT playing 28 minutes.

There's your 96 total minutes, with Cookie getting Al's minutes early on, or foul trouble, injuries, or the minutes Thabeast hasn't earned right away. We'd be fine.

Ideally we'd get to a point where we'd be good enough as a team that we could limit minutes to 32-34 and not have to rely so much on Al until the play-offs. Tim Duncan style.

I can make that point for Griffin because I know he's going to be NBA ready from day one, but like the good Dr. said, I can picture Thabeet having no impact some of the time. That being said, I like Thabeet and he'd be in the mix for me, but come draft time, I'm probably going to have him after Griffin, Rubio, Harden, Evans, and Aminu.

And what if Mullens is still on the board w/ the Miami pick and we took Thabeet already, I'd be all "dammit!" that's how I'd be, all like that...