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OT: NBA players buying an one-way ticket out of the league

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OT: NBA players buying an one-way ticket out of the league 

Post#1 » by campybatman » Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:59 pm

It's hard to stand outside of the NBA as a fan and try to understand what goes on in the mind of a professional athlete. But, one has to ask: How can a person with a privilege to earn a living playing a sport, and having a talent that's exclusive to a certain number in the world, not take advantage of this opportunity to succeed in an area that the average person would likely trade places to have.

When you read about these players, it just feels unfortunate. You don't envy them, you don't feel sorry for them in a lot of cases. They're supposed to be mature and responsible adults earning millions of dollars, right? However, you do wonder... You wonder... Why this player, this person.

Simply put, what's wrong with Sean Williams?



The incident occurred at 2 p.m. yesterday at the AT&T Mobility store inside the Park Meadows Mall. According to police, Williams had a verbal altercation with the clerk, and picked up a computer monitor and threw it. The monitor and other equipment were broken, causing damages estimated to be about $1,200 to $1,300.

The dollar amount - above $1,000 - was the reason why the mischief charge constituted a felony.


http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2009/0 ... ams_2.html



Who can forget about Leon Smith? Quite ironic a question when you consider he's a player that never made a name for himself (or stuck for that matter) in the NBA.



But if Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett are models of players who were mature enough athletically and emotionally to make that huge jump, Leon Smith's sad and tumultuous basketball odyssey is a cautionary tale -- one that is forcing the N.B.A. to rethink how to decide which teenagers are capable of going right from high school to the pros and what to do with those who are not.

Smith stormed out of the gym during his first practice with the Mavericks last summer. He fired two agents in three months. He was arrested twice, had his contract suspended and spent 31 days in a Dallas psychiatric center after his suicide attempt.

''It would be unfair to call Leon a poster child for anything but Leon,'' David Stern, the N.B.A. commissioner, said. ''All of these young men are individuals. But I remain convinced, in a broader context, that we need to disincentivize players who have other options from coming into the N.B.A. too young.''


http://www.nytimes.com/2000/01/30/sport ... sec=health
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Post#2 » by handlethetruth » Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:14 pm

Williams is just a moron in my opinion. Its unbelievable how much talent and athletic ability this dude has. He has had so many chances and eventually he is going to use his last one and find himself jobless. I was so pissed that year he got kicked off BC. They had a great chance to win it all and he gets in trouble for I believe selling weed. Some guys just cant let there pasts go and continue to do the same immmature things that they have been doing for a long time.
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Re: OT: NBA players buying an one-way ticket out of the league 

Post#3 » by DieselCeltic » Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:18 pm

That's life. You don't appreciate what you have until you lose it.

It's not just with celebrities or athletes. Whole people in general.
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Post#4 » by campybatman » Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:57 pm

Stern needs to get behind a Scared Straight film from the NBA players point of view. Have it featuring Kevin Garnett. And make it a required viewing for cases such as Sean Williams in addition to taking anger management.
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Re: OT: NBA players buying an one-way ticket out of the league 

Post#5 » by BRUNiNHO91 » Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:17 pm

Im sure many of you have already wanted to pick up a computer in a store and toss it at the wall(Or clerk..who knows). I know I have, many, many times...only reason I didn't was because I knew I couldn't deal with the consequences of those actions later..but he has money and he is in the NBA, he actually could pay for all that..that's why he did it....lol
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Post#6 » by campybatman » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:10 pm

"I definitely let my coaches down, my teammates down, and the fans down," he says after the workout. "I thank Boston College for supporting me. They had my back the entire time. This is a new opportunity. I made some bad decisions. I've learned from those mistakes and become a better person from them."

The $64,000 question among NBA overseers is, well, has he really learned? He didn't make just one bad decision. He made a series of them. He was suspended twice before coach Al Skinner booted him off the team for good Jan. 17, a day after he had scored 10 points, collected six rebounds, and blocked three shots in only 23 minutes of an 82-63 win over Miami. That will cost him both in reputation and dollars, for, as Williams acknowledges, "I knew I would drop [in the draft] after I got kicked off the team."

Danny Ainge, the Celtics' executive director of basketball operations, is far from alone in weighing the talent/potential issue against the behavior issue.

"I think it weighs a lot with everybody because you have concerns," Ainge says. "You have concerns any time a player gets kicked off his college basketball team and has as many problems as he had in his college program. Not every one of those guys gets better and grows up and learns from those mistakes. Some do."



"Sean doesn't have any real-life issues," Lucas says. "There are other guys I've had here who have had real-life issues. He doesn't. His issue is, he just wants to smoke some weed sometime -- and you can't. We're learning how to handle life issues without smoking weed to medicate. I would venture to say, he hasn't smoked any more weed than a lot of the other guys who are going to get drafted. The difference is, he got caught. Now, the question is, do you have an addiction? That's another issue. If it's worth it to you, if you have to have it, then you have an addiction, because look at what you've lost. If it's not worth it to you, then we're on our way. And I think he's more than on his way."

Does he worry about Williams?

"He worries me from the standpoint that he's going to get a speeding ticket or a ticket for running a red light," Lucas says. "That's it."



There may be no one in this draft who can change a game defensively like Williams can. He had a game against Providence in which he blocked 12 shots, another game against Duquesne in which he blocked 13. He left Kansas coach Bill Self slobbering all over him after Williams registered 19 points, 15 rebounds, and 7 blocks against the Jayhawks. For his abbreviated season (15 games), he averaged 12.1 points, 6.9 rebounds, and 5 blocked shots. As a freshman, he set a school record for blocked shots, a record he proceeded to break while playing 12 games fewer in his junior year.



"But there aren't many bigs who can do what he does. Athletically, he's probably near the top of the charts. He should be in the lottery. Much past 13, well, that's a very safe pick. Even higher. I told Danny Ainge when he was here that he would be the perfect guy for Boston, if there weren't the issues."



"You hope he will turn it around," Skinner says. "I'm hoping he's figured it out. While he was here, he never missed a practice. He never was late. But, left to his own resources and out of my reach, he made some immature decisions. And because of who he is, it got noticed. I told him, 'You haven't learned how to handle yourself in this environment.' But if he can handle himself in a new environment, it can be rewarding for him financially and satisfying for him from a personal standpoint."


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Post#7 » by threrf23 » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:24 pm

What's ironic in these types of situations is that most of these guys are more than simply talented, chances are - even for a guy like Season Williams - it probably took a lot of practice and discipline to make it as far as he has made it. Talent might be at a premium but that's not all there is to it and for every Sean Williams I would wager there's a guy with similar potential that never ends up on the radar of NBA scouts and ends up a bum on the streets

But, one has to ask: How can a person with a privilege to earn a living playing a sport, and having a talent that's exclusive to a certain number in the world, not take advantage of this opportunity to succeed in an area that the average person would likely trade places to have.


Would the average person love to trade places? Or would the average person prefer fantasizing about trading places while bitching about everything supposedly holding them back from trading places?
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Post#8 » by campybatman » Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:49 am

BRUNiNHO91 wrote:Im sure many of you have already wanted to pick up a computer in a store and toss it at the wall(Or clerk..who knows). I know I have, many, many times...only reason I didn't was because I knew I couldn't deal with the consequences of those actions later..but he has money and he is in the NBA, he actually could pay for all that..that's why he did it....lol



Perhaps, but that money well could dry up really quickly. I hope he understands that.
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Post#9 » by sully00 » Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:28 am

I never thought the kid deserved the chance I knew this is how the story would end. Everyone tried to find a reason to dismiss what happened at BC but people were fooling themselves. How bad does the situation have to be for a coach to kick an all american candidate off his team, for smoking weed? C'mon now the kids unofficial rapsheet was so long that the school just decided they had to cut ties before all the **** that has hit the fan with him since did and he really did some damage to the College's reputation. The kid is a punk and I haven't heard anyone who really knows him say different.
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Post#10 » by LongTimeFan » Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:17 am

And then there's Powe. Exact opposite. Scraping their way into the league.
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Post#11 » by campybatman » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:11 pm

Indeed. Powe is a good example of a player in the NBA who has overcome a lot in his life. He has the kind of back story that makes for a good Drama/sports film like Hoop Dreams.
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Post#12 » by UGA Hayes » Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:12 pm

While I'm not enamored by the overall attitude of many of the league's players I don't think its fair to cherry pick the bad ones, esp. thsose who had a rep even before the pros. William's was so so bad that I remember Stern actually giving the Nets booth the stare of death when they drafted him-he was livid that Williams was drafted, which is means his background must have been pretty bad. However, isolating nba players is some what unfair since other sports, especially baseball gets away with employing plenty of jerks and bums.
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Post#13 » by campybatman » Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:41 pm

I'm curious to why a player as talented as Williams can't put it altogether. My interest is in understanding just what's going on in his head. I didn't call anyone said in the tread a "bad person" or player.
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Post#14 » by LongTimeFan » Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:21 pm

I think it has to do with magic thinking. We all engage in it, because we just need to assume a bunch of stuff to get through any given day. Most of us have a constructive, adaptive set.

A guy like Williams, for whatever reason, has a destructive set of magic thoughts that just cause him to make choices that hurt him or the people near him.

There a book called Collapse by Diamond. He describes an an example in Greenland where people chose to starve to death, even though cod routinely die in the streams. You could literally just pick the fish up.

I'd say Williams has assumptions about reality that he follows without question that invariably lead to self-destructive choices. Not as bad as starving to death with food at your feet, but pretty close.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, one of DA's very useful abilities in drafting is to determine very quickly whether a player is teachable. A teachable player has a magic set that works well in a team basketball approach.
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Post#15 » by giambijuice » Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:42 pm

LongTimeFan wrote:I think it has to do with magic thinking. We all engage in it, because we just need to assume a bunch of stuff to get through any given day. Most of us have a constructive, adaptive set.

A guy like Williams, for whatever reason, has a destructive set of magic thoughts that just cause him to make choices that hurt him or the people near him.

There a book called Collapse by Diamond. He describes an an example in Greenland where people chose to starve to death, even though cod routinely die in the streams. You could literally just pick the fish up.

I'd say Williams has assumptions about reality that he follows without question that invariably lead to self-destructive choices. Not as bad as starving to death with food at your feet, but pretty close.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, one of DA's very useful abilities in drafting is to determine very quickly whether a player is teachable. A teachable player has a magic set that works well in a team basketball approach.



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Post#16 » by tombattor » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:18 pm

DieselCeltic wrote:That's life. You don't appreciate what you have until you lose it.

It's not just with celebrities or athletes. Whole people in general.

Exactly! There are **** in all walks of life and he's hardly the first person to lose it at a store. I've seen people throw a tantrum all over the place. Stores, subways, on the street, you name it. And I've seen some **** lose it there.

It's just that these guys, being public figures, make the headlines when they do.
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Post#17 » by MyInsatiableOne » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:26 pm

^They also feel invincible since the average Joe cannot just reach into his pocket and pull out a wad of hundreds to pay for the damages...
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