The RealGM Wizards Board Draft Thread 2008/2009

no D in Hibachi · Post #1161 » by **no D in Hibachi** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:55 pm

Jivelikenice, I agree. I watched a memphis game earlier this season and knew he was good, but really raw because he didn't know how to play within the flow of the game. Today against the Terps he was easily the best player on the floor. He could do anything he wanted to and I agree that he's developed physically. I'd prefer him to Gerald Henderson, who a lot of people have been buzzing about.

yungal07 · Post #1162 » by **yungal07** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:05 am

Griffin with 33 and 17. The guy is a machine.

Tiago · Post #1163 » by **Tiago** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:34 pm

B. Griffin is an offensive machine, but defensively sometimes he's annoying because he not even try to put a hand on the face of his opponent....like Nate said, I would like to see a little more energy/activity...sometimes he looks lazy when defending.

In my opinion the Wizards really need a PG, we should start looking at a way to get one.

closg00 · Post #1164 » by **closg00** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:57 pm

Tiago wrote:B. Griffin is an offensive machine, but defensively sometimes he's annoying because he not even try to put a hand on the face of his opponent....like Nate said, I would like to see a little more energy/activity...sometimes he looks lazy when defending.

In my opinion the Wizards really need a PG, we should start looking at a way to get one.

I've been advocating this for years. I always felt that we should be grooming a solid PG good-enough to back-up or even take-over Gils spot should he be injured or another coach experiment with moving him to SG.

I'm telling you, if we don't get Griff and pick 2-3, don't be shocked if Rubio's name is called. The other top-PGs should be considered also. After watching Crit, I can see why he hasn't stuck any place he has been. He tries hard, but he is a bit out of control and doesn't put up either points or decent assist numbers. Give me one or the other.

Tiago · Post #1165 » by **Tiago** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:12 pm

You will not see any dividends in 1 or 2 years from Rubio(is everybody hearing, reading something about him that I don't SEE in his games?). I watched the UNC vs LSU last night, and I really liked what I saw from Lawson, he looks a 5'9 guy (I know he's listed as 6'0) but he seems to know very well the fundamentals of a PG ...

I only understand why almost everyone wants Rubio in a perspective of anticipation, because right now he's not ready two compete in NBA, this is my opinion, and this season I've seen him many times. And to get Rubio, any team will have to pay 6 millions to DKV.

Ji · Post #1166 » by Ji » Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:51 pm

Harden looks awful...Brandon Roy my ass....

Post #1167 » by **miller31time** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:07 pm

I was really high on Harden going into this tournament and had Arizona State going pretty far based on nothing but having a lotto pick on their team.

What a complete and utter choke job.

Still very high on Gerald Henderson. If we don't get the 1st pick, trade down and take him while unloading a bad contract.

Kills two birds with one stone.

Post #1168 » by **nate33** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:13 pm

Ji wrote:Harden looks awful...Brandon Roy my ass....

Agreed. I wouldn't draft Harden with 6th pick in the draft. Give me Henderson or even Evan Turner over Harden. I truly don't understand why DX has him rated so high. All he has going for him is an above-average basketball IQ. While that's nice, that's also the one thing that everybody improves upon after reaching the pro level. Harden has no upside.

Dat2U · Post #1169 » by **Dat2U** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:50 pm

I'd jump off the Harden bandwagon too but I never actually got on it.

Harden's draft stock will drop like a rock once teams can bring him in for workouts and measurements. Once they see the lack of height AND lack of athleticism up close, this top five pick nonsense about him will cease.

I've never seen such a middlin player be so highly touted before. It almost makes me think did DX have a deal with Harden's future agent or something? No way this kid should even be mentioned as a top ten pick! In most draft years he'd be a late first rounder. This year he could possibly be a mid first rounder but nothing more. He might hang around the NBA for ten years or more with his IQ and skillset, but only as a reserve guard off the bench. The Pierce & Roy comparisons were damn near laughable.

Dat2U · Post #1170 » by **Dat2U** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:57 pm

miller31time wrote:Still very high on Gerald Henderson. If we don't get the 1st pick, trade down and take him while unloading a bad contract.

Kills two birds with one stone.

I'm not as high on Henderson anymore, especially with his value rising into mid-lottery status. As a mid-first rounder, he appealed to me as an undervalued gem as a slashing 2-guard who could create off the dribble and a well developed NBA quality mid-range game. Now, I see him as guard who lacks range & consistency on his jumper and was damn near invisible for most of his career.

I honestly like Evan Turner abit more. He's got better size and has excellent court vision. You could actually run the offense through him. Tyreke Evans is also pretty damn intriguing. So is Willie Warren but he needs some more seasoning. I want to see what Warren can do without Griffin around next year.

Post #1171 » by **Ruzious** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:59 pm

Not sure it's fair to downgrade Harden on the tournament games. He's doubled up all the time with the rest of the team zoned, and he has not PG to get him the ball. He's basically been in a no-win situation. Tiago, Lawson measured in at 6' with shoes on in the last pre-draft camp. He's better than the other PG prospects like Maynor, Collison, etc, because of his strength. Most of these other small PGs are not going to make, because they won't be able to handle the physicality of the NBA like Lawson will. I think he should be a top 10 pick - despite what most mocks say.

Post #1172 » by **Rafael122** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:08 pm

I think its absolutely fair to judge him based off his tournament games. He was Pac-10 player of the year, that's good, but he stunk it up on the biggest stage there is. I watched that game closely before I had to head out and his conditioning is awful, and he just lacks any sort of athleticism.

He's a first round pick, but...I'd say late lottery now.

BTW, according to Ivan Carter, Grunfeld is in Europe watching Rubio play.

Benjammin · Post #1173 » by **Benjammin** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:13 pm

Rafael122 wrote:I think its absolutely fair to judge him based off his tournament games. He was Pac-10 player of the year, that's good, but he stunk it up on the biggest stage there is. I watched that game closely before I had to head out and his conditioning is awful, and he just lacks any sort of athleticism.

He's a first round pick, but...I'd say late lottery now.

I have to agree with Rafey here. I keep waiting to see him show even average athleticism and I don't see it, much less NBA 2 guard freak athleticism. He has a high skill level and basketball IQ, but right now I wouldn't pick him before six at the earliest. Maybe he'll get into top notch shape and works out and tests well and makes his way back up the draft board, but until or if that happens he's not a top five player even in this weak draft.

doclinkin · Post #1174 » by **doclinkin** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:24 pm

Dat2U wrote:
I honestly like Evan Turner abit more. He's got better size and has excellent court vision. You could actually run the offense through him. Tyreke Evans is also pretty damn intriguing. So is Willie Warren but he needs some more seasoning. I want to see what Warren can do without Griffin around next year.

Evan Turner says he's returning to Ohio last I checked. Mullens is the Buckeye talking about going pro and how he wasn't ready for the NBA coming out of highschool but now has learned alot. Really BJ? Really? Dude has no idea what he's doing on a bball court, none zero. Nice tools, no carpenter.

Some solid roleplayers will get drafted and well paid this year as the draft becomes shallower. If Turner stays in I'd bet he goes lotto after all the workouts & measurements are done. Remember there's no predraft camp this year, just skills competitions and measurements. Guys who work out well and measure long will climb up the draft chart.

Post #1175 » by **miller31time** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:18 pm

I remember earlier this season looking at Draft Express and the like, and seeing Mullins being top-3 on damn near all of them.

So, naturally, I started watching some of his games to see what all the hype was about.

You're absolutely right, Doc - he has no idea what he's doing out there. Clueless doesn't even begin to describe it. Potential coming out the wazoo but he needs to stay in school as long as possible. Maybe declare for a double-major so he can get to 5 years or something....

no D in Hibachi · Post #1176 » by **no D in Hibachi** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:19 pm

I think DeMar DeRozan has really improved his stock over the last month of the season. He's consistently put up some good efficient lines. He has the tools, size, athletic ability and it appears he's coming around as a player. I wouldn't be surprised if he declares and is selected between 5-7. First wing off the board? Wouldn't be surprised at all. Also, Tyreke Evens is moving up the board as well.

closg00 · Post #1177 » by **closg00** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:32 pm

Hmmm, I could see Ernie trading down from the #1 pick (Griffin), to unload garbage contracts, pick Rubio, and leave the Wiz with some cap breathing space; then next year he can truly run a healthy WIz squad win or lose.

AgentOvechkin08 · Post #1178 » by **AgentOvechkin08** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:37 pm

If we draft Rubio that means Arenas is going to the 2, with Rubio being his future replacement. I mean in 6 years (Arenas' contract runs out) he will only be 24.

If we get the number 1 pick I dont care about dumping contracts, we draft griffin hands down, no discussion.

Dat2U · Post #1179 » by **Dat2U** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:35 am

Ruzious wrote:Not sure it's fair to downgrade Harden on the tournament games.

Well to be honest, I've been downgrading him all year. He's not a high lottery pick this year or any year. Not knocking the kid, He's a heady player with a very nice skillset but what in world are folks seeing to claim that he could possibly be a top five pick? The tourney games only reinforced what some others already saw. He's a mediocre athlete, even on the college level!

no D in Hibachi · Post #1180 » by **no D in Hibachi** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:46 am

Dat2U wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Not sure it's fair to downgrade Harden on the tournament games.

Well to be honest, I've been downgrading him all year. He's not a high lottery pick this year or any year. Not knocking the kid, He's a heady player with a very nice skillset but what in world are folks seeing to claim that he could possibly be a top five pick? The tourney games only reinforced what some others already saw. He's a mediocre athlete, even on the college level!

Dat, I've seen a lot of other posters say he has a good skill set, that he's fluid and an all round talent without athleticism and explosiveness. However, is it really true? Have you seen him ever try to use his right hand? In my mind a player who is undersized, not athletic and possibly out of shape, it appears so to me, should be just phenomenal in all the fundamentals of the game. Which in my mind includes the ability to go either right or left. Brandon Roy is a common comparison and he's a righty, but he goes left almost more than he goes right which makes him unpredictable and versatile, remember the game this season where DeShawn tried to slow him towards the end of the 4th quarter and he went left twice in the final minutes.

I've watched Harden several times and I literally never saw him dribble drive right once. If I was his college coach I would have tied his left hand to his body and make him play right handed every practice. Harden reminds me a lot of Anthony Peeler and in this draft there are at least ten players I'd rather see the Wiz select over him.