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OT: Minnesota and their multiple draft picks this year

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OT: Minnesota and their multiple draft picks this year 

Post#1 » by campybatman » Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:59 am

Wow. That's a lot of first round draft picks. Ideally, you would prefer not to foul it up like Boston did in 2001. Yes, that would be the year Boston selected three times in that draft and ultimately judged wrongly, in retrospect. Basically, two of those players didn't last long in the league and are no longer in the league and the other was traded off during his rookie season. He would become an All-Star some years later.

Potentially, Minnesota is looking at having four draft picks in the first round and, besides their own, two second round picks from Miami. Okay, on the surface, I can't imagine Minnesota selecting a player for every single one of these selections. Would they...? I mean if you throw enough bleep against the wall, something will stick. But, when you stockpile the number of draft picks that Minnesota has in this draft alone. You've "bigger" plans.

Is Al Jefferson truly this franchise's centerpiece to build around toward being a perennially playoff team and more. In other words, Jefferson's either Roy or Aldridge. If not Roy, the real face of the franchise might lie in this draft among one of these first round picks. And are Love, Foye and Brewer mainstays?

Answering these questions can become the difference between Minnesota drafting players that make up the foundation of a solid bench or it'll produce a Batman to Jefferson's Robin if Jefferson isn't Batman. Pierce was Batman to Antoine Walker's Robin. However, this dynamic duo prove not enough to reach a NBA Finals. Some years later, Ainge completed two separate trades to acquire two All-Star players. Two players that helped Pierce and company reach the NBA Finals. Let's say Jefferson's Roy, "The Man." Minnesota will need to identify the next proper step to take toward winning a championship now that you've your perceived franchise player in place. So, I ask this question: Are they a team in a position similar to Boston in having young trading chips (players and multiple draft picks) to do as Ainge did prior to last season? Well, assuming that Minnesota isn't content with simply becoming a playoff team in the foreseeable future. Looking at this closely, changing your roster as Ainge did is tough. Even what Dumars was able to pull off was remarkable. It's all about timing and what have you. But, Minnesota has to understand that the way to the fast track of success will be a longer one (a process) if they're like Portland and have young players that are their star and best players. Remember you need veterans. For Portland, those veterans that can make a difference don't have to be an All-Star necessarily. Still, it doesn't hurt... Pierce being a perennial All-Star didn't affect Ainge's decision to acquire at least another All-Star player. I think Portland would agree in taking the same approach as Roy likewise is already an All-Star. Conversely, Minnesota has Jefferson who may or may not ever be an All-Star. There's a difference between having a player on the cusp and one who's a perennial All-Star. For now, we'll classify Jefferson as an All-Star caliber player.

Is this off season the right time for Minnesota? Hence, why it's tough. How do you know when you've reached that point in the process when you determine that now is the right time to make your move to make that jump. Both Ainge and Dumars were able to gauge their situations correctly and the payoff for each proves knowing when to move is essential. I feel that the general manager of Minnesota needs to mull over the first round worthy draft prospects, trade scenarios and the overall plans for this off season and trust himself. This could be it. That opening... Will you jump?



There actually is a team in the Northwest Division rooting for Utah's renaissance to continue.

Minnesota, namely.

The reason?

The Wolves would have four first-round picks in the June draft -- giving them an extra trade asset or two, if nothing else, in a draft no one is calling deep -- should Utah's late-season push result in a draft pick that winds up at No. 23 or lower. The Jazz retain the pick for this draft if it falls between No. 1 and No. 22. If it doesn't, Minnesota adds it to its own lottery pick and first-rounders previously acquired from Miami and Boston.


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Perhaps, this relates to this topic.



Falk is not the only prominent figure to suggest that the NBA's salary-cap system needs an overhaul. Before the league recently issued a memo forbidding team representatives from "making any unauthorized public comments about collective bargaining," Memphis Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley and Minnesota Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor voiced concerns, respectively, about the growing divide between big-market and small-market teams in a weak economy and the league's average salary of nearly $5.5 million.

The landscape has certainly changed since the NBA was the first major league to implement a salary cap starting with the 1984-85 season. Franchise values are obviously no longer skyrocketing -- especially since there aren't many folks looking to buy franchises at the minute -- and the various revenue streams (such as season-ticket renewals, corporate sponsorships and luxury-suite sales) are virtually certain for an unprecedented decline starting next season because businesses everywhere are struggling.

That's why, in recent weeks, you've heard more and more about teams' quietly lobbying for a major reduction in contract lengths, lower maximum and minimum salaries, reductions in annual raises and the elimination of the annual midlevel cap exception that enables role players to receive five-year contracts in excess of $30 million … while also giving big-market teams that are willing to pay luxury-tax penalties yet another spending outlet that small-market teams say they can't afford.
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Re: OT: Minnesota and their multiple draft picks this year 

Post#2 » by BillTheGOAT » Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:15 am

man we have enough problems as it is, wanna worry about minnesota too :-?
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Re: OT: Minnesota and their multiple draft picks this year 

Post#3 » by Havlicek17 » Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:24 pm

Considering that first round draft picks come with guaranteed multi-year contracts, Minnesota has to make some moves. In addition to the sheer number of 1st round pick players that you would have to make room on your roster for, the late 1st round pick money is probably not something Minnesota wants to do. Paying guaranteed money to have them play in the D League?

No way they are going to pick all those players (6 or 7 in total if you add in the 2nd rounders), and put them on their roster. Expect some wheeling and dealing closer to draft time when everybody gets enamored with the draft and the value of those picks is at it's highest.

Too bad McHale is no longer the GM, or I'd say we would have a pretty good chance of getting one of those picks for cash. Especially in the 2nd round, and we know what Danny can do with those...
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Post#4 » by campybatman » Sun Mar 22, 2009 6:47 pm

Wow. I forgot McHale's their head coach. It didn't occur to me while writing. That's funny...

Minnesota's general manager is Jim Stack.



corndog wrote:man we have enough problems as it is, wanna worry about minnesota too :-?



Am I not free to bring up and discuss a topic which pertains to a team outside of the Celtics? I find their draft situation interesting this year. That's all.
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Re: OT: Minnesota and their multiple draft picks this year 

Post#5 » by BillTheGOAT » Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:40 pm

bonsaiflipflops wrote:
Am I not free to bring up and discuss a topic which pertains to a team outside of the Celtics? I find their draft situation interesting this year. That's all.


yes you're free to do so,sorry just noticed the OT in the title.
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Re: OT: Minnesota and their multiple draft picks this year 

Post#6 » by ParticleMan » Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:04 pm

It's an interesting time. The Twolves have some nice pieces to make a big move: expiring deals (miller, cardinal), picks, and young talent. That was Ainge's recipe. The key now is spending them on the right player. Assuming you want to build around Big Al, I think you need at least 1 more perennial allstar caliber guy. Big Al is really more like a 1a, not a 1 kind of guy. I'd say everyone but him and maybe Love are expendable (including Foye; just not that impressed with him).

The big question is, who can they get? Is there a KG or even Ray out there who their team is dumping? I'm not sure there is this year.
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Re: OT: Minnesota and their multiple draft picks this year 

Post#7 » by Jammer » Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:41 pm

If the season ended today,

Minnesota would have the #6, 18 (Miami), 28 (Boston), 47 (Phili) and 48 (Miami) picks

(Minnesota's second round pick is already commited to Detroit).

The danger of putting all the picks in one draft is it could be a
gold mine like 2003 and 2008 or a bust like 2000.

2000 was the year Jerry Krause, GM of the Bulls,
engineered 6 picks.

#4 - Marcus Fizer
#7 - Chris Mihm (traded to Cleveland for #8 Jamal Crawford + $3 Million cash)
#24 - Dalibor Bagaric
#32 - AJ Guyton
#33 - Jake Voskuhl
#34 - Khalid El Amin

Chicago had many options that year.

They could probably have swapped the #32 pick for Golden State's
2001 second round pick (Gilbert Arenas).

Michael Redd lasted until #43,
Eddie House at #37 is a better player than AJ Guyton or Khalid El Amin.

Mike Miller went at #5 (better than Marcus Fizer, since Bulls already had Elton Brand).

Portland offered Jermaine O'Neal for #4 AND #7 picks.

Washington Team President wanted Jamal Crawford badly,
and would probably have swapped his 2001 First Round Pick Unprotected to get him
(Washington won lottery in 2001, jumping from #7 to #1 pick).
Imagine if the Bulls did that deal AFTER taking $3 Million from Cleveland
to swap Chris Mihm for Jamal Crawford??
2001 Options with #1 pick included Pau Gasol, Tyson Chandler (Kwame Brown went 1).

Minnesota would probably be better off swapping some of those 5 picks
for picks in future drafts, or selling two or 3 of them for cash
(this is supposed to be a weak draft, but then the #47 and 48 picks might
only bring in about $500k each if the draft is really weak.
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Re: OT: Minnesota and their multiple draft picks this year 

Post#8 » by campybatman » Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:59 pm

I'm not sure which All-Star type talent is even on the block. The Monta Ellis situation with Golden State is worth monitoring, if I'm Minnesota. Perhaps, he's worth an inquiry.

Here's a list of the restricted and unrestricted free agents this off season. I'm not sure who Minnesota would've an interest in. Because you've to consider this player's personality and whether they can fit with Minnesota's coaching style of play. Is McHale the longterm solution at head coach? Minnesota might be looking at signing a name head coach after the NCAA tournament.

They're highlighted by Artest, R. Wallace, Iverson, Odom and Marion.



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Post#9 » by Celtsfan1980 » Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:11 pm

All indication is that this is a bad draft year. That's unfortunate for the Wolves in this case. I could see Amare getting traded, but I'm not sure who else is out there.
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Re: OT: Minnesota and their multiple draft picks this year 

Post#10 » by campybatman » Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:41 pm

Minnesota needs a consistent scoring threat in the back court. I would've kept Mayo. Because Al Jefferson and Love together are redundant. Hence, one could be moved for a proven star like how Ainge moved Jefferson in a package of Garnett. But, who can Love help get you via a trade? Which team's general manager is as enamored with Love as McHale was in Jefferson?

Unfortunately, as said, the timing of this is one year too early for Minnesota. That is, in reference to this year's draft class and with free agents.

Veteran players that come to mind that could be on the block this off season that I would ask about, if I'm Minnesota, are Brand, Maggette (not an ideal choice), G. Wallace, Hinrich, Kaman, J. Howard and Redd.
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Post#11 » by GreenGrizz » Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:13 am

My wife is originally from Minnesota. She said they need to stop going after young players and didn't know that there are many more draft picks coming. She wants KG back and would take Ray's expiring contract. She believe that's where they can get that kind of motivation back. I don't know if it would work for Boston as a trading partner.

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