Marbury shouldn't play once Tony Allen returns

[billfromBoston]

Oh, I don't think Walker has passed TA in terms of their optimal ability level...but TA is going to have been out for 2 months when he comes back while Walker has continued to play well in more meaningful minutes.

I can see the team going with a Ray/Eddie/Marbury or Ray/TA/Marbury backup rotation to spell Pierce and then sub Paul back in to spell Ray - that may be how the wing rotation goes down in the playoffs...

But Walker still has a chance to make a case for himself and he's been taking advantage of his opportunities for the most part - TA will have to play well to get his job back, he isn't going to just be allowed to play regardless of effectiveness.

House and TA are interchangeable based off effectiveness and situation - they'll both get their chance come playoff time.

Having Marbury makes all their lives easier.

[GuyClinch]

But Walker still has a chance to make a case for himself and he's been taking advantage of his opportunities for the most part - TA will have to play well to get his job back, he isn't going to just be allowed to play regardless of effectiveness.

You think? Doc has not really shown this kind of attitude towards vets. TA is a vet now. He will slot guys in and try to play them into shape. Cassell is a good example - so was PJ Brown. People forget how bad Brown looked for us last year in the regular season.

[ryaningf]

TA should be worried about Bill Walker....

Yeah, next season. This season is still TA's to grab...

Playing with a real point guard who can get him easy shots, coupled with the fact that he can defend perimeter players without fouling, make TA's return potentially fruitful. While TA has had problems returning in a timely manner for his past injuries, this time should be different, since he should be able to keep himself in decent shape leg-wise. It's only a thumb injury on his non-shooting hand...I expect him to get back into the flow fast.

I'm a big Walker fan, but I just don't see Doc trusting him with playoff minutes at this point in his career. I also have concerns about Doc's trust level when it comes to TA (Doc's been pretty chilly towards TA's return and place in the rotation), but his defense is a difference making skill, something no one else on our bench possesses...that alone should get him some minutes. I also expect House to suck a little come playoff time, which might end forcing Doc's hand a little.

[humblebum]

ryaningf and Pete, both spot on,IMO.

[Celts17Pride]

Mark my words, the Celtics will play Walker over TA and claim it's because of TA's injury.

Tony Allen has the third worst Assist/Turnover ratio in the NBA among guards who play 15 minutes or more in a game. Only Joey Graham and Cuttino Mobley are worst and Mobley doesn't even play anymore. Look it up. Doesn't exactly instill confidence in your coach come playoff time.

The only value TA has at this point is his expiring contract next season.

[humblebum]

Really? Because I think that Doc would rather play Ray and Pierce 45 MPG in the playoffs than play Bill Walker 5 MPG. I'm serious. I don't think there is ANY WAY, assuming the health of Ray, Paul and Marbury, that Bill Walker gets any substantial playing time in a playoff game this season. If Tony can run around out there he'll play over Walker. I'd be extremely surprised if Doc did otherwise.

[Celts17Pride]

Honestly, Tony Allen or Bill Walker really doesn't matter. Doc Rivers has come out and said he likes Marbury, House and Ray Allen playing together.

The playoff rotation will probably look like this:

Starters - Rondo, Ray Allen, Pierce, KG & Perk
Bench - Marbury, House, (Ray Allen & Pierce), Powe & Davis

Injury replacements: Scalabrine, Moore & (TA or Walker)
Inactive: Pruitt, Giddens & (TA or Walker)

I don't expect Scalabrine, Moore, TA or Walker to get any kind of minutes in the playoffs unless someone gets hurt.

This is my opinion.

[return2glory]

Damn, the homers have spoken. Marbury can do no wrong in your eyes. Another bad game by SM. 1-6 shooting. Right now he is doing well in making plays, but he is awful at scoring and ok on defense.

Marbury and Moore combines for 3 points and 1 rebound in 34 minutes. These were the additions to our team that were supposed to help us? Give me P.J. and Cassell any days over these two guys.

The good news is that Perkins, Ray, Rondo, Powe, and BBD are playnig better this year. The bad news is that KG had a better year last season, TA, Scalabrine, Powe, and TA are hurt. Posey, P.J. and Cassell are gone. IMO, we were a better team than last year and have no HCA is year. It's going to be difficult to repeat but anything can happen.

[Celts17Pride]

Damn, the homers have spoken.

???

"The one group of the new guys that has it going is the Eddie, Steph, Ray combination," Rivers judged. "That's about the third or four time that the numbers suggest it's a really good unit for us.

Straight from Doc Rivers.

[humblebum]

Celts17Pride, I agree with you that TA, Moore, Scal, and Walker are all outside of the playoff rotation looking in. BUT, TA definitely has the opportunity to break into that rotation because Eddie House CAN be shut down and made ineffective by a defense that simply pays attention to him, or an offense that focuses on exploiting him. In that instance, and several others (such foul trouble or injuries to Ray/Paul), Tony Allen will be the guy who gets the call. OR maybe the Celtics have to face Miami in the first round. You honestly think that Doc is gonna through House out there to guard Wade? In terms of ability Tony is the best guy for that specific job, of that there's really no doubt. So the reality is that Doc and Tony will continue to be connected in an awkward marriage. If Tony's healthy and the need arises, Doc is going to give TA the opportunity to play.

[Celts17Pride]

Celts17Pride, I agree with you that TA, Moore, Scal, and Walker are all outside of the playoff rotation looking in. BUT, TA definitely has the opportunity to break into that rotation because Eddie House CAN be shut down and made ineffective by a defense that simply pays attention to him, or an offense that focuses on exploiting him. In that instance, and several others (such foul trouble or injuries to Ray/Paul), Tony Allen will be the guy who gets the call. OR maybe the Celtics have to face Miami in the first round. You honestly think that Doc is gonna through House out there to guard Wade? In terms of ability Tony is the best guy for that specific job, of that there's really no doubt. So the reality is that Doc and Tony will continue to be connected in an awkward marriage. If Tony's healthy and the need arises, Doc is going to give TA the opportunity to play.

I agree if he is healthy TA will be given a chance to be a player in the playoffs. I really don't dislike Tony Allen he just frustrates the hell out of me when he is playing. The good Tony Allen could really be an asset in the playoffs, the bad Tony Allen won't see the light of day.

TA will be given yet another chance and if I was him I would try to take full advantage of this opportunity. Bill Walker has really taken advantage of his opportunity and has made great strides. JR Giddens is waiting in the wings. All season long Doc Rivers has said the Celtics need another guard which isn't a ringing endorsement for Tony Allen. If TA wants to continue his career with the Celtics he needs to step up, play smart and contribute in these playoffs.

I do agree that TA or Walker will be needed at times in place of House in the playoffs.

[SuigintouEV]

Celts17Pride, I agree with you that TA, Moore, Scal, and Walker are all outside of the playoff rotation looking in. BUT, TA definitely has the opportunity to break into that rotation because Eddie House CAN be shut down and made ineffective by a defense that simply pays attention to him

That's the whole point of his effectiveness.

You pay attention to him and pierce has no trouble getting to the rim.
you don't pay attention to him and he kills you from three.

that's pick-your-poison basketball.

tony allen on other hand is only useful is specific scenarios.

[return2glory]

Another game with zero production from Moore and Marbury. Damn I wish we had Joe Smith. Moore is useless. And it looks like Marbury needs another 1 or 2 to be productive.

[dannydd]

WHy do all your posts have to be negative? What does Tony Allen have to do with Stephon Marbury?

Are you under a sheet with a flashlight screaming "LEAVE TONY ALLEN ALONE!"

lmao that video was (Please Use More Appropriate Word)!!!

[cisco]

This thread should be titled "Moore shouldn't play once Powe OR Scal returns". Doesn't matter which one, they are both better than Moore.

Marbury gets more time after not playing for so long.

[MyInsatiableOne]

This thread should be titled "Moore shouldn't play once Powe OR Scal returns". Doesn't matter which one, they are both better than Moore.

Marbury gets more time after not playing for so long.

Well once our injured guys are back, Moore will be back where he belongs...as the 11th or 12th guy off the bench!! Right now we *have* to play him as much as we do...