Marbury: I can score 30 or 40

[MyInsatiableOne]

^I just hope this isn't Terrell Owens Syndrome where he's a model citizen at first and then destroys the team from within. At least if that's the case we can be rid of him...

[R33D33]

Starbaby is a confident guy....that's good......he can only get as many minutes as Doc gives him.

You bet he is a confident guy, he was the self-proclaimed best PG in the NBA only a few seasons ago.

Sowwy....just made me think of that quote.....Marbury isn't even the best point guard on the team...lol

You missed the point entirely, the poster who I quoted professed that starbury is a confident guy. Him being a confident guy wont necessitate to a better peformance.

[GuyClinch]

He has been better then Cassell was last year... IMHO. Cassell played almost entirely me first ball from the get go.

[MyInsatiableOne]

He has been better then Cassell was last year... IMHO. Cassell played almost entirely me first ball from the get go.

This is true...but thanks for reminding me of Cassell *shudder*

[GreenDreamer]

Well yeah..he will be much better when he actually runs point with some first unit guys...He has not gotten much playing time with Ray and Paul, and has gotten even less time with KG. In the playoffs im sure Doc will eventually run some type of Marbs-Ray-Pierce, Garnett, Perkins lineup...and he will feast on teams defense...Marbury is a great player...im thinking he will be big for us in the playoffs like Doc said...

I'm getting the feeling that you actually think that the team will be better with Marbury out there instead of Rajon. It isn't just this post that I'm basing it on either. You probably aren't the only one.

Marbury's problems are as follows

1. He's getting old - the dude is 32 years old and relied HEAVILY on his athleticism his entire career. That athleticism is leaving him.

2. He is REALLY rusty - this guy hasn't played all that much in the last two seasons, as injuries have dogged him for a while.

3. He is used to dominating the ball - well that ain't happening on this team. Stehpon can score 30 - 40 points? That;s nice to know. So can Rondo, by the way, except that Rondo has never taken more than 21 shots in a game. Marbury once averaged 19.1. Pierce averges 14.3 FGA, Ray takes 13.2 and K.G. has 13.1. The only reason that Paul and Ray are so high is that Garnett got hurt, and so got more opportunities. Rondo averages 9.5, which is also in part due to injuries depleting the roster. Stephon isn't going to get a lot of shot opportunities in this offense, and that means that he needs to rely on being EFFICIENT as a scorer, which is something that he has NEVER been.

4. He just doesn't "get it" - this is someting that can also be said of Iverson. You can talk as much as you want about "talent", the fact of the matter is that guys like them only seem to be able to function when everything revolves around them... and even then the results are usually not all that good. It isn't so much about being "selfish", it has a lot more to do with being "intelligent" and "adaptable".

5. His all around game is poor - This is a guy who doesn't play solid defense, and never has. He is suddenly supposed to turn into a good one? Rondo came into the league being a beast on that end. By the way, your recent comments about Rondo's defense were particularly nearsighted. Pick and roll basketball involves TWO offensive and DEFENSIVE players. Injuries to our bigs resulted in absolute chaos, with Rondo often being picked off with absolute no one there to cut off his man. Believe it or not, those weren't holograms of Jermaine O'Neal and Brad Miller out there. Riondo could not pass through their bodies. He had to go over or under the picks, and as the defender of the man setting the pick was either late, or not there at all, he had virtually no chance of being able to stay with his man.

Marbury isn't much of a floor general. He makes nice INDIVIDUAL plays, but how do his offenses work OVERALL? They usually suck. The problem with Stephon is that he dribbles around, bleeding the shot clock down, looking either for his own shot, or looking for an assist. That is BAD basketball, and he has done that his ENTIRE career. It is the difference between seeing a guy like Richard Jefferson throw down a few highlight reel dunks, and Paul Pierce methodically tearing a defense apart. One guy has the nicer looking individual plays, the other one is playing the superior overall game. Actually, I think I may even be overstating this a bit, as Rondo is routinely makes spectacular plays himself. Rondo's ability to run an offense is first rate. He spreads the ball around, gets the inside game going, sparks the transition game, and manages the offense. If he can't get the RIGHT man the ball, he goes through somebody else to do so. If the situation calls for getting the ball to people, knowing that he has no chance of getting an assist in the process, Rondo will do so without hesitation. When he comes off the court against a quality (mind you, not only excellent) defense, the offense routinely implodes, because no one else can see the wheels turn like he can.

When has Marbury ever been a presence on the glass? Rondo is second only to Kidd as a rebounder at his position, and the gap is closing quickly. Is Marbury suddenly going to start providing this?

You do not replace Rondo with Marbury and simply add Marbury MARGINALLY better perimeter game. When you do that, you SUBTRACT everything that Rondo is bringing to the table. That means that somebody else has to fill those voids, or the offense and defense get worse. The reason that Marbury has been tagged a cancer isn't just that he acts up off the court, it is the fact that his game is poisonous to good basketball on it, and has been for years. D'Antoni's offense needs to top point guard, or at least a solid one to be effective. Someone with a brain in his head. They were already paying Marbury 20+ million, and he was healthy enough tyo play... yet Mike wanted nothing to do with him. He instead turned to Duhon, a backup up to that point, not a "star". Doesn't that strike you as funny?

It isn't that I'm unhappy with having Marbury. He is a good addition considering our lack of a competent backup point guard, and the difficulty in getting one this late. To actually think that he's going to be an improvement on the court is foolhardy at best. The best stats which would point to that are the following

http://www.82games.com/0809/COM1S3.HTM

http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT3.HTM

Hmmmm.... seems that when we are playing the best teams, and when we are in crunch time, that the most important player on the team is, in fact, none other than Rajon Rondo. Yep, having "Starbury" out there instead is really going to help us.

[GuyClinch]

^^^ 32 is not old. The guy hasn't played in a year. Wait till he gets going I think you might see him a new light. Not to say he is the ideal PG but he doesn't deserve a rant like that..

[GreenDreamer]

^^^ 32 is not old. The guy hasn't played in a year. Wait till he gets going I think you might see him a new light. Not to say he is the ideal PG but he doesn't deserve a rant like that..

I'll repeat D'Antoni's systems NEEDS a point guard to run it. The better the point guard, the better the system runs. They were paying this guy 20 million dollars, he was healthy enough to play.... and Mike said "No thanks". Think about that. Do you think that Mike understands the point guard position?

32 is REALLY old when you have played your entire career relying almost entirely on your athleticism instead of your brains. If M.J. was wired like this guy, he would have been washed up by that age. Instead he morphed into an almost entirely different player than his younger self.

[GuyClinch]

I'll repeat D'Antoni's systems NEEDS a point guard to run it. The better the point guard, the better the system runs. They were paying this guy 20 million dollars, he was healthy enough to play.... and Mike said "No thanks". Think about that. Do you think that Mike understands the point guard position?

LMAO. Since when is D'Antoni a basketball god. Doc Rivers was an excellent PG in the NBA. And he thinks Marbury has the stuff. <g> Think about it. Do you think Doc Rivers understands the PG position?

32 is REALLY old when you have played your entire career relying almost entirely on your athleticism instead of your brains

Me thinks your exaggerate way to much. This "rely on athleticism" stuff might convince some internet guys but not people that have played alot of ball.

While I am sure Champ Bailey has fabulous athleticism no chance he could step in and play NBA PG.
It takes tremendous skill to be an NBA PG. I have seen Marbury up close and personal and while he does some stupid things his body control, coordination, dribbling, and footwork are top notch. The ball handling alone takes years of practice. Remember how Delonte West was going to learn to dribble with his right hand..still hasn't really happened..

Marbury will make "mental" errors but he is athletic enough to still be effective. It's crazy to have to argue this but SKILL is an important part of playing basketball. Its not a pure skill sport like say golf but you need to have the skills down to play PG! Its easily the most skill oriented position in the game.

Now if your seven foot tall and play center perhaps you could only rely on size and athleticism. PG's can't do that though.

Pete

[Red2]

Ill settle for 3 or 4 points from him right now. zero points tonight and a couple of turnovers. he never made it into the game in the scond half. so far you'd have to say tht he and moore are busts