Finals MVP: Should be it changed to Playoff MVP

[Jordan23Forever]

Except I'm not just talking about numbers, I'm talking about impact. Again, I'll ask you a couple of simple yes or no questions:

Was Kobe more valuable than Shaq during the '01 postseason? Would he have deserved a "playoff MVP" (if such a thing existed) over Shaq that postseason?

We'll see if you can give a straight answer this time.

[LLcoleJ]

We'll see if you can give a straight answer this time.

hehe.. yes, straight answers. Thats what you are all about. ( sarcasm)

Except I'm not just talking about numbers, I'm talking about impact. Again, I'll ask you a couple of simple yes or no questions:

Was Kobe more valuable than Shaq during the '01 postseason? Would he have deserved a "playoff MVP" (if such a thing existed) over Shaq that postseason?

If you read anything I wrote you would know the answer. If I claim over and over that Shaq was the motor, gas, engine in every playoff then the simple answer is yes. I have made such claim. ( over and over)
However, you can't discern impact. You don't seem to be willing to break it down series by series.. and wait for it.. game by game. You are looking at the stats and making your judgment. Kobe didn't have horrible numbers, he did have Prime Shaq.. btw and still was needed to win the rings.

The Lakers could not have done it with a monster Shaq and a " indispensable" Kobe. There is gray area that you are not willing to talk about it.

Kobe won playoff games that lead to playoff series's. Had he not stepped up. Shaq and Kobe go home. At times ( in which I have said over and over) Kobe outplayed everyone on the team to get the win. That doesn't mean he outplayed Shaq the entire post season. But there is value there. Value that you diminish to " indispensable" and that, is wrong.

I don't have an anti LakerShaq agenda here. He is one of my favorite Lakers off all time and I have to laugh every time you post and compare the 2 to me. I was/am clearly a LakerShaq fan over anyone on those championship teams. That doesn't mean I cant speak on and recall the nuances of those series's.

[Jordan23Forever]

LOL @ that mountain of text in response to a simple yes or no question. Wow.

The amount of equivocation and evasiveness in there is hysterical. I mean, seriously. I'm done with this topic. No one said Kobe wasn't incredibly valuable; all I asked was if he was MORE VALUABLE than Shaq that postseason. A simple yes or no question. You've written 10,000 words in response in an attempt to muddy the issue. Goodnight, sir.

[FANOFNBA]

LMAO @ RealGM analyst and richboy -- two of the biggest Kobe groupies on the site -- calling me biased when virtually ever non-Kobe fan poster agrees with me. Kobe was indispensable, particularly that postseason, but better or more valuable than Shaq he was not.

Again, Shaq outplayed Kobe in 3 out of the 4 series that year, including two series by DECISIVE margins How that makes Kobe the "playoff MVP" is beyond me, and beyond anyone who's not beholden to the cult of Kobe, really.

lol

[JordansBulls]

Obviously it should stay finals mvp. Why should it be changed to playoff mvp if the award will go to the guy who plays the best in the finals?

[richboy]

LMAO @ RealGM analyst and richboy -- two of the biggest Kobe groupies on the site -- calling me biased when virtually ever non-Kobe fan poster agrees with me. Kobe was indispensable, particularly that postseason, but better or more valuable than Shaq he was not.

Again, Shaq outplayed Kobe in 3 out of the 4 series that year, including two series by DECISIVE margins How that makes Kobe the "playoff MVP" is beyond me, and beyond anyone who's not beholden to the cult of Kobe, really.

I am a huge Laker-Shaq Homer. Its obvious that Shaq was the engine that kept the Lakers going. What's funny is you are trying to compare those stats. So, Kobe needed to hit Prime-Shaq numbers? what 13 boards... shoot 55-65%?

Your agenda is so obvious. You only post about 2 things on Realgm. Jordan and Kobe. Do you have a favorite team ?

As much as I love(d) Shaq, Kobe was huge for us not in specific series, per se. huge games within those series's. As great as Shaq was, he wasn't a closer, he didn't hit the big jump shot, 3 point shot, Free throw, defensive assignment then Kobe did at times.

Shaq was without a doubt the reason the Lakers won. However, games could have been lost and subsequent series's if not for the effort of both players and both players being valuable.

LOL at you continued reference to Shaq- outplaying Kobe. umm duh. Prime Shaq is going to put up big numbers that wing players just can't touch. That does not mean that Kobe was not valuable to the success of the Lakers.

I won't even get into Kobe carrying us in the reg. season to give us home court while Shaq was taking " company time off"

Yeah that is the funny thing about him. If Jordan and Shaq played together Shaq still would get more credit than MJ. Big men always get credit over the small guy.

[LLcoleJ]

LOL @ that mountain of text in response to a simple yes or no question. Wow.

The amount of equivocation and evasiveness in there is hysterical. I mean, seriously. I'm done with this topic. No one said Kobe wasn't incredibly valuable; all I asked was if he was MORE VALUABLE than Shaq that postseason. A simple yes or no question. You've written 10,000 words in response in an attempt to muddy the issue. Goodnight, sir.

I have answered your question over and over. You keep asking the same one. You wan't a different answer?

I am trying to engage in conversation that expounds on the topic. There is more to it than " your question".
You refuse to discuss. You can ask questions, I can answer them and bring up other points and you ignore them. Well done.

[Dagameplaya PnG]

What if they got rid of the 7 game series all together and just narrowed the playoffs down to just 1 game?