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Post#1 » by tvwolves7 » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:29 am

So I was looking on www.nbadraft.net to see currently where we rank for ping pong balls and where everyone else falls. Looking at the current lottery teams it does not seem many need a pg such as Rubio. I do want to state that obviously these circumstances do change for every pick he is not chosen. But this assuming that these teams fall within the top 3, and we are hypothetical the 3r or 4th pick.

Here are my thoughts, please let me know if I am missing or overlooked anything.

Sacramento- If they dont get the 1st pick, I believe they would take Rubio.

Washington- Arenas is injury prone, but with such a high pick I think they would look to fill other needs.

LA Clippers- They have Baron Davis and Eric Gordon. Again they could, but if they got such a high pick I would think they would fill another need, such as PF.

Memphis- Mike Conley and O.J. Mayo. Unless they want to be known as the Detroit Lions of basketball they will go with another position.

OK City- Russell Westbrook seems to be their guy.

Golden State- Monta Ellis is being paid high dollars to be their pg. However, Rubio would fit their system.

Toronto- Jose Calderon

New York- I would see them taking Rubio, but they dont have too many ping pong balls.

New Jersey- Devon Harris

Milwaukee- I think they would pick him if they did not get #1, low chance though.

Charlotee- Not a lot of ping pong balls to be that high and last years pick was a pg, D.J. Augustin

Phoenix- Lowest chance of a high lottery, Easily could pick Rubio to replace Nash.

Hopefully a 4th pick or higher will be enough to grab him.
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Re: Rubio 

Post#2 » by Baphomet » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:41 am

Rubio is a player with so much promise, I don't think many teams will pass on him. With this draft perceived as being so weak, I wager most of these teams take him and run, should he declare.

Or best bet of obtaining him is likely to be through a trade up deal.
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Post#3 » by AQuintus » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:52 am

He isn't going to declare unless he's guaranteed a top 3 pick, and the only way he isn't the number 2, after Griffin, is if Thabeet somehow develops an elite post game between now and the Final Four.
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Post#4 » by deeney0 » Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:02 am

I don't see any lotto team passing on Rubio at 2 - you've got to take him for value purposes, but he'd fit fine next to Westbrook, Mayo, Arenas, Gordon, etc. Not that they wouldn't be open to trades.
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Post#5 » by 4ho5ive » Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:52 am

deeney0 wrote:I don't see any lotto team passing on Rubio at 2 - you've got to take him for value purposes, but he'd fit fine next to Westbrook, Mayo, Arenas, Gordon, etc. Not that they wouldn't be open to trades.


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Post#6 » by revprodeji » Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:43 am

if Rubio is in the draft we need to make a serious move to get him. Simple as that.
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Post#7 » by LOBO 7 » Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:50 am

revprodeji wrote:if Rubio is in the draft we need to make a serious move to get him. Simple as that.


Exactly! (For my reasoning, see my exhaustive post on pg.6 of the 'Ideal Draft' thread)
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Post#8 » by southern wolf » Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:24 am

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but what if Rubio doesn't declare and Griffin gets seriously injured before the draft? That would make things interesting.
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Post#9 » by Foye » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:38 am

If Rubio declares he is the no. 2 pick of the draft behind Blake Griffin.

Even if Memphis gets him they take Rubio because he has much more value than the rookies.

I could see us trading with Memphis if they get Rubio. They would have Rubio and Conley then and I'd like both on our team :lol:
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Post#10 » by Worm Guts » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:16 pm

revprodeji wrote:if Rubio is in the draft we need to make a serious move to get him. Simple as that.


If Rubio is what you think he is, the only way to get him is lottery luck or trading Al Jefferson.
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Re: Rubio 

Post#11 » by Foye » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:59 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
revprodeji wrote:if Rubio is in the draft we need to make a serious move to get him. Simple as that.


If Rubio is what you think he is, the only way to get him is lottery luck or trading Al Jefferson.



Wouldn't say that.

I assume we have to either trade Love or our pick plus a solid pick or a role player to trade for Rubio.

Rubio
Foye
Gomes/Miller/Brewer
Jefferson
Thabeet (although I don't like him)

Rubio
Foye
Brewer (+Miller or Gomes)
Love
Jefferson

Both lineups look VERY nice :D

Could for example think about a trade with Washington.
They might think they'll be a playoff team if they add a solid rotation player + a good talent for Rubio. I wouldn't mind at all trading Thabeet and Gomes/Miller to Was for Rubio.

OKC might also be interested in Love + Miami pick for Rubio because they have a lack up front.

I'd even consider that Memphis would want to trade for Love because they already have Mayo and Conley. Could be possible that we can trade for Conley or Rubio.

The Kings, Clippers would likely keep Rubio -.-
Kings need a PG, Clippers would start shopping Baron...
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Post#12 » by revprodeji » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:17 pm

Worm, I would consider trading Jefferson for Rubio. At least entertain the idea.
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Post#13 » by Foye » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:20 pm

revprodeji wrote:Worm, I would consider trading Jefferson for Rubio. At least entertain the idea.


That is overpaying :lol:

You can not do that, the other team would have to add something in my opinion.

This trade would be like Jeff Green for Ray Allen. Ridiculous.
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Post#14 » by Worm Guts » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:43 pm

Foye wrote:
Worm Guts wrote:
revprodeji wrote:if Rubio is in the draft we need to make a serious move to get him. Simple as that.


If Rubio is what you think he is, the only way to get him is lottery luck or trading Al Jefferson.



Wouldn't say that.

I assume we have to either trade Love or our pick plus a solid pick or a role player to trade for Rubio.

Rubio
Foye
Gomes/Miller/Brewer
Jefferson
Thabeet (although I don't like him)

Rubio
Foye
Brewer (+Miller or Gomes)
Love
Jefferson

Both lineups look VERY nice :D

Could for example think about a trade with Washington.
They might think they'll be a playoff team if they add a solid rotation player + a good talent for Rubio. I wouldn't mind at all trading Thabeet and Gomes/Miller to Was for Rubio.

OKC might also be interested in Love + Miami pick for Rubio because they have a lack up front.

I'd even consider that Memphis would want to trade for Love because they already have Mayo and Conley. Could be possible that we can trade for Conley or Rubio.

The Kings, Clippers would likely keep Rubio -.-
Kings need a PG, Clippers would start shopping Baron...


If Rubio is consensus top 2 pick and on the same level or higher as Griffin, it would take Love + our pick to get the other team on the phone.
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Post#15 » by invno1 » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:49 pm

Not sure of Al's value but it would be more then Ricky and filler for Al. The contract and his play both hold top value.
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Post#16 » by Worm Guts » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:51 pm

invno1 wrote:Not sure of Al's value but it would be more then Ricky and filler for Al. The contract and his play both hold top value.


Rubio's rookie contract > Al's contract
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Post#17 » by Foye » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:59 pm

Rubio has proven nothing yet:

So Jefferson >>>> Rubio

You can't judge them of their contracts because Al is a star and Rubio might be one in 3 years.

I also think Love + Miami pick is a fair offer. Love has proven to be a good player in the nba and was the 5. pick of a very deep draft. Rubio will probably be no. 2 but I don't see why Love would not be no. 3 behind Griffin and Rubio in this years draft so it is pretty fair to add the Miami pick/role player .
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Post#18 » by Worm Guts » Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:11 pm

Foye wrote:Rubio has proven nothing yet:

So Jefferson >>>> Rubio

You can't judge them of their contracts because Al is a star and Rubio might be one in 3 years..


Invo had sited Al's contract as having top value. I'm saying it doesn't have top value in comparison to a rookie contract, that's all.

Foye wrote:I also think Love + Miami pick is a fair offer. Love has proven to be a good player in the nba and was the 5. pick of a very deep draft. Rubio will probably be no. 2 but I don't see why Love would not be no. 3 behind Griffin and Rubio in this years draft so it is pretty fair to add the Miami pick/role player .


I don't think Love + Miami pick gets it done, but it depends how the other team feels about Rubio and Love I guess. I don't think the Miami pick is much incentive, so the other team would have to think Love is the equivalent of Rubio and have a greater need at the PF. Let's put this way, if I was another team looking to trade Griffin to the Wolves, my asking price would be Jefferson or Love + our pick, nothing else would get it done.
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Post#19 » by mayorhoiberg » Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:32 pm

Rubio + Love >>>> Rubio + Jefferson

I want Love to start the fast break, and Rubio to set up a finish.
I want a Rubio/Love pick n roll.

Rubio helps Jefferson, but Jefferson doesn't help him. In fact, Jefferson might even highlight Ricky's poor shooting. We'd need to play more up-tempo with Rubio. Is Al capable of that?
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Post#20 » by Winter Wonder » Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:42 pm

It would be a sweet irony to trade picks/prospects again with Memphis and this time I could see MN having take back the Marko Jaric/Lima contract ...

That would be without any trade involving Jefferson. If Jefferson were involved, more compensation would likely have to come from Memphis.

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