Should the Suns rebuild or attempt a playoff run next season

[tsherkin]

At this point, I'm all for moving everyone in return for expirings, young prospects and draft picks and just starting over. Not all of those deals are going to come back as expirings, so you try to get as much actual potential talent as possible, but yeah, it's time to start fresh, I think.

[eastsidecrossover]

Rashed would be a nice fit here. However, he is old too and how many years do yo sign the cat at? We have one year left if this team is left in tact.

I do see tsherkin point and have felt that way too. However, rebuilding is going to take years no matter what. This team has to set its self up with young talent and picks. I do not want to suck that bad to hand the thunder crackle pop in hick town a high draft pick no matter what. If we want young talent and picks, we are goign to have to trade our expirings for crap contracts and just eat em up for the future. That is how it happens or you let nash, shaq and hill walk. If we are rebuilding, let hill go. If not, if you can keep him for one more year, do it.

[tigerblood]

Rashed would be a nice fit here. However, he is old too and how many years do yo sign the cat at? We have one year left if this team is left in tact.

I do see tsherkin point and have felt that way too. However, rebuilding is going to take years no matter what. This team has to set its self up with young talent and picks. I do not want to suck that bad to hand the thunder crackle pop in hick town a high draft pick no matter what. If we want young talent and picks, we are goign to have to trade our expirings for crap contracts and just eat em up for the future. That is how it happens or you let nash, shaq and hill walk. If we are rebuilding, let hill go. If not, if you can keep him for one more year, do it.

i was suggesting let shaq go and sign sheed to one year for the MLE. However, the more i think about it I'm almost ready for a rebuild.

[Kerrsed]

Trade Shaq to NO for Tyson Chanler and Posey.

[hitachi7]

Trade Shaq to NO for Tyson Chanler and Posey.

Sounds great if we want to go for broke again next year. Maybe we get lucky and draft Rubio and he develops to be Nash.

Nash/Rubio
Jrich/Barbs
Hill/Posey/Dudley
Amare/Amundson
Chandler/Lopez

extremely efficient offensively (though not quite as efficient as the team we have right now) along with several very good defensive lineups

The only reason I can think of that NO would do the trade though is that Shaq is coming off the books

[Kerrsed]

The only reason I can think of that NO would do the trade though is that Shaq is coming off the books

In the playoffs next year i believe NO and Shaq > NO and Chandler.
No mater what team Shaq goes to, the games sell more tickets. Its the Shaq factor!

Sooooooo.......
$$ comming off the books, Shaq gives them the push they need to get to the finals, and the Shaq factor!
3 pretty good reasons for NO to do it if ya ask me.

[b-ball forever]

Good take on Tyson Chandler, NO already tried to unload him for Wilcox's expiring so I'm sure they'd look @ Shaq's expiring too.
I don't like the length of Posey's contract, but he's worth taking on to get Chandler, who's exactly what we need next to Amare with his rebounding and post-defense. Give em Barnes in a S&T too if they want a swingman to replace Posey.

Only issue with Chandler is his health, but with the PHX trainers that don't matter.

Hornets would be legit title contenders, so Shaq wouldn't mind going there.

[asudevil]

the suns have no choice but the compete next season.

IF they can make a couple trade the help bolster the lineup without sacraficing too much talent, they should. but going into tank mode to try and rebuild is NOT an option this offseason.

[JohnVancouver]

Nice Greg Esposito column on this very subject

http://phoenix.fanster.com/suns/2009/03 ... ir-closet/

[Biff]

Sorry guys, but there's not a chance in hell we can beat the Lakers in a 7 game series, even with a healthy Amare and Barbosa, the rest of the team is way too old. And even if the Lakers had a barrage of injuries and we somehow miraculously made it to the finals, we aren't beating the Cavs or the Celtics. Our best bet is to just blow this up.

[eastsidecrossover]

Exactly ASUdevil. This team cant blow it up and tank. We have to compete next year because of the pick. Other reason why is because we have a lot of money coming off of the books and if you can make a max offer to a big name, most likely wade, I would keep that as the plan. I know, I am smoking crack to think he would come here and the chances are slim, but you have to make a run at him.

2009
Unless the right deal comes, let this team ride it out into the sunset next year. If so, you can resign hill for one more year if he wants to stay. I like the guy and has turned it up as of late.

Draft
take a SF or center in the draft. Take the 14 pick and get the best kid. Then if you can get another pick, this year or next, try to get the opposite. I know he has been a big disappointment, but the kid is a project I think the suns need to look at, and that is BJ Mullens. Take Clark or Johnson as the SF. Just my idea.

Trade
If you do trade shaq, wait till the deadline. Maybe see if you can have a plan in place and see if J-rich is a part of this teams future.

2010
Resign nash to a reasonable offer. I know many would say hell no, but he is a guy I think you have to retire a sun. If not, no worries. With the right SG, this team can be one of the best again in the west real soon instead of rebuilding for 5 or so years.
I think we have to resign amare too if we want to lessen the rebuilding process. At or near max dollars.

Keep
Barbs and Dudley and Lou
No choice for now
Tragic and Flopez
FA 2010
I say you swing for the fences and throw max money at D wade.
Crazy idea, but you have to try.

Also, you cant have more then 2 max players on this team. We have to spread salaries in building a solid team and role players. Wade and Amare are a good 1-2 punch. If nash leaves, you can play Barbs at the PG because wade can handle the ball and pass (except this year)

By the way, I love what dudley is showing. Plays D, good shot and has size and will rebound. Something we have been missing at the backup SF.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcCxc5ZAX80

were streeaaakkiinnn

[JohnVancouver]

Another for the "How far up your ass do you need to have your head in order to qualify as an "expert'" file. Charley Rosen, in his column, on rebuilding the Suns:


In the wake of the Phoenix Suns' disastrous season, how would you go about rebuilding their roster? — John, Woodbridge, VA

Before their roster can be rebuilt, management has to decide which players are keepers and which should be let loose. And these judgments depend, in turn, on whether there's a long-term or a short-term view. In my opinion, trying to squeeze one more playoff-bound season out of the same players would be foolish — which means that wholesale changes are necessary.

# Even though Shaq has had a remarkable resurgence, he'll be 38 before the 2009-10 season concludes. His humongous salary would make dealing him extremely difficult, but if he can't be traded he'd best serve the Suns' future by playing 20 minutes per game as a backup. But to whom?

# Amare Stoudemire is a perpetual adolescent and a malcontent. But his incredible talent makes him attractive trade bait. He should not, however, be sent to another Western Conference team, yet the sooner he's elsewhere the better for Phoenix.

# Steve Nash is 34 and probably has two more outstanding seasons left in his body. But his back problems always make him physically vulnerable, and it's always wise to trade a player a year or two before he starts losing his chops. Wouldn't Mike D'Antoni be happy to exchange Wilson Chandler, David Lee, and a host of draft choices to reunite with Little Stevie Wonder?

# Can Robin Lopez play? Time to spend the rest of the season finding out. If he's anywhere near as good as his brother, then he's a definite keeper.

# Leandro Barbosa's quicksilver speed is totally unique. Too bad he doesn't really know how to play. Either trade him or bring in a charismatic coach who can break him down and build him up again. Of these two possibilities, the latter is the most preferable.

# Stromile Swift is merely roster fill — an adequate player on the long side of the bench.

# Louis Amundson and Jared Dudley deserve to stick around for another year or two to determine if they can continue to develop.

# Matt Barnes can be utilized as a hot-or-cold scorer off the bench.

# Although Grant Hill will be 37 before next season begins, the many injuries he's suffered have the positive effect of greatly reducing the total mileage on his legs. Also, Hill is the kind of positive veteran presence that every young team needs. And he still can play!

# Jason Richardson is a proven scorer.

# Only insiders know if Alando Tucker has a future.

In other words, back up the truck.


---- So, the NBA pundit thinks we need to keep JRich, Barnes and Sideshow "if he's as good as his brother". Call me rash in this rush to judgment, but somehow I don't think he is as good as his brother, based on, you know, his *game*.

Leandro needs a charismatic coach to break him down and rebuild him. Just a guess on my part but wouldn't it be easier to trade for a guy who *is* what you want rather than attempt some kind of Manchurian Candidate treatment on a guy six years into his career?

As to trading Shaq, given his numbers and minutes this year, and expiring contract, isn't his "humongous" salary actually a bonus for teams, limited commitment for a still-game changing big man and coming off the books in 2010?

So - Charley Rosen, Idiot.

[rsavaj]

lol I think every board has had a "Charlie Rosen is an idiot" type of thread at least twice. The man really has no idea what he's talking about.