beno

[kmart23]

beno is the key of our team....if he plays great we win....the problem is that he is very incostant... for this reason we should take a better playmaker.....and i think rubio now is better than udrih ......and he has just 18.....and he needs time to develop in a great playmaker....

[artest420]

ya, i think our biggest problem is the pg. at the beginning of the season our team was better than the hornets if you took off chris paul. we have a lot of weapons and no one to set them up. benos wack, i just hope he doesnt end up like a kenny thomas

[ICMTM]

I've said since day one that Udrih is an inconsistent player. I think people on the radio and on this board were too high on him at the end of last season. People really thought with Beno and Martin we would be better without Ron Artest. I remember predicting 28 wins for the year, and then when we started after the 1st 10 games or so I said I was too high and went with 23 wins. We aren't even going to get to that mark.


Beno's deal isn't the kind of deal that can't be moved. Marko Jaric got traded, and I think they are of similar talent. It would be for a package most likely.

[cdt3]

Beno is good he is just not clutch shot hitter, he missed FT yesterday that could have closed out the game but did play well and scored 15/7. The PG is the QB of the team whatever he does they are going to do. Which was why we traded JWill for Bibby was clutch and that clutchness rubs off on your teammates. The other players know that if they miss Bibby would save them anyway so they can really go for it. We need a clutch PG to take the pressure off everyone else. It is why I would still trade down and take a guy like Teague or Flynn or Reynolds (looks very Chauncey ish). Teague's team did fall apart late but their core was really young and he tried to do everything himself. Wake still finished behind 2 games behind UNC and beat them once in a clutch game. As long as Teague was just one of the guys like Bibby was under Adelman he might really shine. Reynolds looked very clutch and made 7 of 7 free throws in the last game and is still playing. Flynn looked great also and only lost because of an injury trying to take a charge from Griffin and is fearless. I am still enjoying the tourney if Reynolds win out he may push himself into a clutch performer territory.

[SacTown Kings]

Beno is poop plain and simple. I am not going to let him trick me anymore. He plays great one game and then you start thinking well maybe he is finally starting to get it, and then what do you know he plays like crap for 8 games in a row. I am not falling for it anymore.

And ICMTM, lol you said 28 wins. You want to hear something really funny. I think I said 40 wins!! OMG WTH was I smoking that night!

[pillwenney]

He has mostly been more consistent lately--particularly since the trade. I'd be really interested to see how he would be doing had he not got injured. Since he has been back though his assist/TO has been noticeably better, and he has been shooting a little bit better. I am by no means saying he is our PG of the future, but he's not the disaster many around here make him out to be either.

[ICMTM]

Beno is poop plain and simple. I am not going to let him trick me anymore. He plays great one game and then you start thinking well maybe he is finally starting to get it, and then what do you know he plays like crap for 8 games in a row. I am not falling for it anymore.

And ICMTM, lol you said 28 wins. You want to hear something really funny. I think I said 40 wins!! OMG WTH was I smoking that night!

With every new season there is hope!

Mitch people thought of Beno as a future all star at the end of last year. While I think he is a solid PG (or even better in a reserve role) I never thought he was a long term starter or future bright spot. Remember I said at best he can be a Kirk Hinrich type.

I just don't think he is a "key" to anything, and if anything he is just a piece. The fact that we are considering him a key piece may have been the issue? He's paid accurately IMO as well.

[pillwenney]

With every new season there is hope!

Mitch people thought of Beno as a future all star at the end of last year. While I think he is a solid PG (or even better in a reserve role) I never thought he was a long term starter or future bright spot. Remember I said at best he can be a Kirk Hinrich type.

I just don't think he is a "key" to anything, and if anything he is just a piece. The fact that we are considering him a key piece may have been the issue? He's paid accurately IMO as well.

Who was saying that? Nobody around here that I remember. But I basically agree with everything else.

[sackings916]

Honestly for what Beno is paid his talent level is about right IMO. An MLE level PG is not going to perform at a high level consistently - if he did he'd be getting paid about 2x as much.

[ICMTM]

With every new season there is hope!

Mitch people thought of Beno as a future all star at the end of last year. While I think he is a solid PG (or even better in a reserve role) I never thought he was a long term starter or future bright spot. Remember I said at best he can be a Kirk Hinrich type.

I just don't think he is a "key" to anything, and if anything he is just a piece. The fact that we are considering him a key piece may have been the issue? He's paid accurately IMO as well.

Who was saying that? Nobody around here that I remember. But I basically agree with everything else.

Maybe nobody said it in those words specifically, but if the thought wasn't there then why is there such an outcry about his play now? The expectation was that Udrih was going to play at a high level consistently and be one of our feature guys. Someone in this thread called him the key to our team.

Basically the dude had expectations on him that he couldn't deliver. I have always said I won't be on board with Beno until he shows consistent play. It can't be for a half or a home stand. It has to be for the better part of a season.

[Smills91]

With every new season there is hope!

Mitch people thought of Beno as a future all star at the end of last year. While I think he is a solid PG (or even better in a reserve role) I never thought he was a long term starter or future bright spot. Remember I said at best he can be a Kirk Hinrich type.

I just don't think he is a "key" to anything, and if anything he is just a piece. The fact that we are considering him a key piece may have been the issue? He's paid accurately IMO as well.

Who was saying that? Nobody around here that I remember. But I basically agree with everything else.

Maybe nobody said it in those words specifically, but if the thought wasn't there then why is there such an outcry about his play now? The expectation was that Udrih was going to play at a high level consistently and be one of our feature guys. Someone in this thread called him the key to our team.

Basically the dude had expectations on him that he couldn't deliver. I have always said I won't be on board with Beno until he shows consistent play. It can't be for a half or a home stand. It has to be for the better part of a season.

The tone of your post is, I was right, you all are/were wrong about him...and that's just lame. Beno's EXPECTATIONS were to be ON PAR with a starting caliber PG. Not above that, not below that. He so far HAS proven to be the key to us winning. The Kings typically go the way of Beno. When he's solid-good we've won the majority of those games(yeah not many). No one EVERY made him out to be more than a MLE level PG, the problem is, he's played worse than that by a large margin for the majority of the season.

He certainly has the ABILITY to be an MLE PG, but for whatever reason that hasn't occurred. It appears to me that Beno/Salmons were sorta incapatible for some reason. Since John's moved on, Beno's play has improved. So I don't think anyone is off base here with their expectations of Beno. It's just that he hasn't even lived up to reasonable expectations.

[ICMTM]

Well if you expect Beno Udrih to be the "key" to our success, OR support that he be in such a position, then I am right, and you are wrong! Does 16 wins mean anything to you? Even by your expectations (and admission) he's failed as he hasn't been on par with starting caliber PG's.

So what is your point? That I'm overstating the excitement some people felt about Beno? Grant Napier wouldn't shut up about him. People on this board thought he was a MUST SIGN free agent. The dude can't run a team. He can run and get in the open court and create, but that's it. He can't run a team. What's John Salmons have to do with it?

Every year it's someone elses fault. Webber got in the way of Peja's success. Ron got in the way of Kevin's success, now John Salmons got in the way of Beno Frickin' Udrih? Smills dude the guy just can't ball. He's a nice guy off the bench, and that should be his value.

What's so hard not to get the dude can't run a team? Again if nobody had expectations of this guy then why is everyone complaining about his play? Let me spell it out for you Smills. People expected him to be good and he isn't!

Furthermore if he were such a good player why didn't the Spurs keep him?

[pillwenney]

The tone of your post is, I was right, you all are/were wrong about him...and that's just lame. Beno's EXPECTATIONS were to be ON PAR with a starting caliber PG. Not above that, not below that. He so far HAS proven to be the key to us winning. The Kings typically go the way of Beno. When he's solid-good we've won the majority of those games(yeah not many). No one EVERY made him out to be more than a MLE level PG, the problem is, he's played worse than that by a large margin for the majority of the season.

He certainly has the ABILITY to be an MLE PG, but for whatever reason that hasn't occurred. It appears to me that Beno/Salmons were sorta incapatible for some reason. Since John's moved on, Beno's play has improved. So I don't think anyone is off base here with their expectations of Beno. It's just that he hasn't even lived up to reasonable expectations.

This is pretty much what I was going to say. From a statistical point of view, I think people were hoping for 14PPG on 10-11 shots per game, and maybe like 6 assists to maybe like 2.5 TO at most. That's not all-star production, it's just solid. That's all people wanted, and he hasn't delivered until recently. Recently his playmaking and rebounding have been much better (even in February, he only averaged 3.5 assists, but to only 1.2TOPG). In March he has been rebounding better, but his scoring efficiency has gone down from February (where it was really where it needs to be). But the good news is that the trades have seemed to help improve things.

[KingInExile]

I'll reiterate that I was never thrilled with the Beno signing because he was getting slightly too much money for far too long. He's producing at about a level where I thought he would...which is as an inconsistent guard who is capable of decent outings once in a while. He should only be a starter on a crappy team who's desperate for a PG...sounds like the Kings this year. In the real world, he should be a back-up guard.

[pillwenney]

Well if you expect Beno Udrih to be the "key" to our success, OR support that he be in such a position, then I am right, and you are wrong! Does 16 wins mean anything to you? Even by your expectations (and admission) he's failed as he hasn't been on par with starting caliber PG's.

So what is your point? That I'm overstating the excitement some people felt about Beno? Grant Napier wouldn't shut up about him. People on this board thought he was a MUST SIGN free agent. The dude can't run a team. He can run and get in the open court and create, but that's it. He can't run a team. What's John Salmons have to do with it?

Every year it's someone elses fault. Webber got in the way of Peja's success. Ron got in the way of Kevin's success, now John Salmons got in the way of Beno Frickin' Udrih? Smills dude the guy just can't ball. He's a nice guy off the bench, and that should be his value.

What's so hard not to get the dude can't run a team? Again if nobody had expectations of this guy then why is everyone complaining about his play? Let me spell it out for you Smills. People expected him to be good and he isn't!

Furthermore if he were such a good player why didn't the Spurs keep him?

That's not what he's saying. He (and others here) are merely saying that when Beno plays well this year, the team does much better. Thus he is the key to this team, as it is, playing better. That's not saying that he will be what makes this team great in the future. To argue that that's what people were saying is to misrepresent what people were saying.

And it's not necessarily some excuse to say that Salmons has been in his way. One can determine this by simply looking at Beno's stats since Salmons was traded--particularly his assist/TO ratio. This has been much closer to what people have expected of Beno. He was only seen as a must sign FA because we had no other PG--not because people thought he would be the team's savior. Almost nobody thought that.

[bflewis]

Lately Beno has had some very clutch moments...
The 2 game tying shots in the closing seconds of the last 2 games...
Is it possible 2 develop him into a clutch performer (Bibby-like maybe?)

[SacTown Kings]

^^ No!

Off Topic: This season cannot finish soon enough.

[ICMTM]

Well if you expect Beno Udrih to be the "key" to our success, OR support that he be in such a position, then I am right, and you are wrong! Does 16 wins mean anything to you? Even by your expectations (and admission) he's failed as he hasn't been on par with starting caliber PG's.

So what is your point? That I'm overstating the excitement some people felt about Beno? Grant Napier wouldn't shut up about him. People on this board thought he was a MUST SIGN free agent. The dude can't run a team. He can run and get in the open court and create, but that's it. He can't run a team. What's John Salmons have to do with it?

Every year it's someone elses fault. Webber got in the way of Peja's success. Ron got in the way of Kevin's success, now John Salmons got in the way of Beno Frickin' Udrih? Smills dude the guy just can't ball. He's a nice guy off the bench, and that should be his value.

What's so hard not to get the dude can't run a team? Again if nobody had expectations of this guy then why is everyone complaining about his play? Let me spell it out for you Smills. People expected him to be good and he isn't!

Furthermore if he were such a good player why didn't the Spurs keep him?

That's not what he's saying. He (and others here) are merely saying that when Beno plays well this year, the team does much better. Thus he is the key to this team, as it is, playing better. That's not saying that he will be what makes this team great in the future. To argue that that's what people were saying is to misrepresent what people were saying.

And it's not necessarily some excuse to say that Salmons has been in his way. One can determine this by simply looking at Beno's stats since Salmons was traded--particularly his assist/TO ratio. This has been much closer to what people have expected of Beno. He was only seen as a must sign FA because we had no other PG--not because people thought he would be the team's savior. Almost nobody thought that.

Then why are people in such disarray over an average PG that a lot of people feel should be coming off the bench? If we now feel that Beno is this average run of the mill guy then why not make the deal for Jackson sooner and worry about the PG position later?

It was a big deal that we signed Beno, and if we had more money than the MLE it would have been thrown at him.

[pillwenney]

Then why are people in such disarray over an average PG that a lot of people feel should be coming off the bench? If we now feel that Beno is this average run of the mill guy then why not make the deal for Jackson sooner and worry about the PG position later?

It was a big deal that we signed Beno, and if we had more money than the MLE it would have been thrown at him.

Because he has been below average pretty much all year (until recently, clearly worse than last year).

And it's not like Geoff was just waiting to trade for Bobby. He didn't even appear to be looking to trade Ron for a while. Bobby wasn't in the team's plans until the trade actually happened.