new coach?

kmart23 · Post #1 » by **kmart23** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 6:38 pm

http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/17520 ... _Container

what do you think?

Post #2 » by **Wolfay** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 6:46 pm

God, not Whisenant.

artest420 · Post #3 » by **artest420** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 6:59 pm

awful coach #4 on the way and another top lottery pick for 2010.

is it too much to ask for a legit proven nba coach

cdt3 · Post #4 » by **cdt3** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 7:02 pm

Natt is not a good fit for this team. He would be a great fit as a defensive loaded team but our system has to have great balance because of our big guys. This is why we draft guys who aren't very good at everything. No one dimensional defesive or offensive bigs guys. Our guys aren't quite there yet but will be in 2-3 years but the ball has to go through them more often. Our big guys should be getting together near 10 assists a game which will give us lots of easy baskets by opening the paint.

I think Avery Johnson would be my favorite target he had a similar two big guy system and he got the most of his big guys in San Antonio and had a great offesive and defensive squad in Dallas. I think he is pretty flexible with systems and could defeinitely share Coachie's vision of this team. Natt is a bit of an overreactor which is ok if your team is loaded with talent but not ok with a team this close to everyone else. I think the talent level of our team after the draft will have as much promise as any other team in the league.

I think Whiz would be a good defensive assistant.

Post #5 » by **KingInExile** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 7:10 pm

Wolfay wrote:God, not Whisenant.

+5million

Look, there's no doubt that Natt has not done a great job since taking over. The record speaks for itself. I refuse to lay all of the blame at his feet because the current roster just flat out sucks...but he really hasn't done enough to prove he deserves the job permanently.

That said, don't hire yet another inexperience (or low head-coaching experience) guy. This team needs someone who knows what the F they are doing on the bench, knows how to manage games and knows how to manage professional NBA players. Mark my words, if the Maloofs hire their BFF this summer, he will be the 4th coach to get fired by next summer (or at least part way through the following season). The Maloofs need to spend some damn money and hire a real coach!

SacKingZZZ · Post #6 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 8:07 pm

Here's the question though, what "experienced" guy is out there that wouldn't command a buttload of money? Seriously, it's not like our next coach is really the most important move, it really isn't. Unless it's a guy like Eddie Jordan with enough leash, maybe, to not be fired half way through his second season. Then comes the question of how much you pay a coach to coach the worst team in the league??? Do you go out and plunk down 6 million a year on a coach when you know you are at least another year or two away from making the kind of moves that catapult your team out of the future and into the present?

I say why not, but for craps sake get an super experienced assistant! If this is for real, it's been bandied about far too long, just get it over with so we don't have to hear it this time next year or the year after if the next guys gets canned.

Post #7 » by **KingInExile** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 8:24 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:Here's the question though, what "experienced" guy is out there that wouldn't command a buttload of money? Seriously, it's not like our next coach is really the most important move, it really isn't. Unless it's a guy like Eddie Jordan with enough leash, maybe, to not be fired half way through his second season. Then comes the question of how much you pay a coach to coach the worst team in the league??? Do you go out and plunk down 6 million a year on a coach when you know you are at least another year or two away from making the kind of moves that catapult your team out of the future and into the present?

I say why not, but for craps sake get an super experienced assistant! If this is for real, it's been bandied about far too long, just get it over with so we don't have to hear it this time next year or the year after if the next guys gets canned.

I don't know if you have to throw $6M at a coach...but it's probably going to take at least $4M a year with a solid guarantee for more than 3 years. I'm personally fine with that. Part of the problem with the last 3 coaches is that they have been given disposable contracts...short-term at fairly cheep salaries. What player is going to take a franchise seriously if they refuse to make a solid commitment (ie, reasonably large amount of money for long-term) to a coach? And with the revolving door this franchise has had for the coaching slot, no decent coach will even consider the job unless they have strong guarantees that they won't get booted after a year or so. If the Maloofs aren't willing to make the necessary commitment, then they might as well just keep Natt. Sure, he's made a lot of mistakes, but I don't think he's been all that terrible.

artest420 · Post #8 » by **artest420** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 8:26 pm

was there any reason to not keep scott brooks. i remember when mussleman got his DUI suspentions and brooks took over he was undefeated. I remember thinking things looked smoother and he was more composed than any of our last 3 coaches. he would have been a cheap solution and i bet the maloofs are kicking themselves for it too. I dont think the players will respect a wnba coach at all.

murray · Post #9 » by **murray** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 8:50 pm

We fired Theus not to replace him with Natt forever, but because Theus was a cancer as a person. Its time to go get Jordan, or Avery Johnson, or someone that is a real coach.

Theus was a big name, but no coach. All flash no substance. More concerened with how he looks than being a good coach.
Natt was a disposable band aid and nothing more.
Musselman was the attempt to move to a defensive minded team (ala Suns plan this year) and it didn't work.

Avery Johnson is the substance and structure these young players need. I really wish we could get Adelman back, that may go down as the worst decision in Kings history.

artest420 · Post #10 » by **artest420** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 9:13 pm

hiring the monarchs coach would just be backtracking to fix the mussleman experiment. we need a coach who knows basketball. i wish we at least interviewed larry brown or that stan van gundy didnt screw us over

KM44 · Post #11 » by **KM44** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 9:27 pm

Avery Johnson is the best coach for this team. Eddie Jordan was fired from the Wizards... They were a team that had talent and underachieved tremendously. I don't want that. My vote goes to Johnson.

artest420 · Post #12 » by **artest420** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 9:31 pm

KM44 wrote:Avery Johnson is the best coach for this team. Eddie Jordan was fired from the Wizards... They were a team that had talent and underachieved tremendously. I don't want that. My vote goes to Johnson.

my main thing against avery is my main memory of him is in the finals when he jumps up and down screaming time out when they dont have any, then he blames it on josh howard.

longfellow44 · Post #13 » by **longfellow44** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 10:25 pm

Personally I think we should go with somebody like van gundy. He's the kind of guy who has a reputation and will have immediate legitimacy when he comes in and will automatically command the respect of the entire team.

Post #14 » by **KingInExile** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 10:33 pm

KM44 wrote:Avery Johnson is the best coach for this team. Eddie Jordan was fired from the Wizards... They were a team that had talent and underachieved tremendously. I don't want that. My vote goes to Johnson.

And Avery Johnson was fired by the Mavs when they had talent and were underachieving. The big difference is that Jordan at least had the valid excuse of having to deal with massive injuries.

Honestly, what are Johnson's positives? What exactly can he bring to improve this team other than a new face? Not trying to single you out here and certainly not looking to badger you over this. I just have seen a lot of people saying "Avery Johnson should be out next coach", but nobody is really saying why.

I thought he was a decent coach with the Mavs, but nothing really spectacular. I'm also not so sure that he's the best fit for the team's current situation and mix of players. I could be wrong and will admit I'm wrong about him if someone gives me good reason to. I just want someone to clearly explain why they think he deserves the job.

artest420 · Post #15 » by **artest420** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 10:40 pm

longfellow44 wrote:Personally I think we should go with somebody like van gundy. He's the kind of guy who has a reputation and will have immediate legitimacy when he comes in and will automatically command the respect of the entire team.

I think we need a coach of his level, but if u mean jeff van gundy we would be the most boring team to watch in the nba. I guess its still better than being the flat out worst team in the NBA.

Post #16 » by **Wolfay** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 10:50 pm

Avery Johnson had two first round exits (including losing to the 8th seeded Warriors) and an embarrassing showing in the finals. I don't want a loser like that here.

Post #17 » by **ICMTM** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 11:26 pm

I sure wish someone would listen to me in the front office! Rick Adelman should have never been let go.

artest420 · Post #18 » by **artest420** » Sat Apr 4, 2009 12:07 am

ICMTM wrote:I sure wish someone would listen to me in the front office! Rick Adelman should have never been let go.

ive thought that since we fired him. we should have listened to artest when he said he would play for free if we brought rick back. we have no chance now. personally i want flip saunders now. he would be respected and at least get us to the playoffs in the next year or two. playoffs will be hard if we get the wnba coach. he will probably get fired in about a year and set us back another year.

SacKingZZZ · Post #19 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Apr 4, 2009 12:28 am

KingInExile wrote:I don't know if you have to throw $6M at a coach...but it's probably going to take at least $4M a year with a solid guarantee for more than 3 years. I'm personally fine with that. Part of the problem with the last 3 coaches is that they have been given disposable contracts...short-term at fairly cheep salaries. What player is going to take a franchise seriously if they refuse to make a solid commitment (ie, reasonably large amount of money for long-term) to a coach? And with the revolving door this franchise has had for the coaching slot, no decent coach will even consider the job unless they have strong guarantees that they won't get booted after a year or so. If the Maloofs aren't willing to make the necessary commitment, then they might as well just keep Natt. Sure, he's made a lot of mistakes, but I don't think he's been all that terrible.

If they're available there's going to be a lot of suitors with all the recent firings. The only thing we might have on our side with Jordan is his relationship with coachie and Petrie, that could be enough to get it done.

But that's the thing, if things don't go right and fans call for this coaches head it's going to be a long bumpy ride down with no way out. It's hard to make a commitment to a coach when you aren't even at the point where you're ready to make a commitment to anything. I want Eddie Jordan as the coach, but if he isn't available then you look elsewhere, if Natt is the final option I say why not go with Jason Hamm (my darkhorse "why the hell not" pick) or Randy Brown. Just don't bring Natt back if for nothing more than the false hope of change going into next year.

SacKingZZZ · Post #20 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Apr 4, 2009 12:34 am

artest420 wrote:was there any reason to not keep scott brooks. i remember when mussleman got his DUI suspentions and brooks took over he was undefeated. I remember thinking things looked smoother and he was more composed than any of our last 3 coaches. he would have been a cheap solution and i bet the maloofs are kicking themselves for it too. I dont think the players will respect a wnba coach at all.

Muss. Otherwise, no. He should have been the coach.