Lottery Teams Will Trade Down Or Out Of Draft

PowerElite · Post #1 » by **PowerElite** » Sat Apr 4, 2009 4:29 pm

Wiretap article: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... _of_draft/

This looked like it would happen with the economy and lack of top prospects. This is great for the Sixers because we might be able to get an additional prospect. Dileo will certainly be able to find the diamonds in the rough. Jeff Teague and Tyreke Evans please...

CAS50_76ersBABY · Post #2 » by **CAS50_76ersBABY** » Sat Apr 4, 2009 4:44 pm

if singler comes out we should def. go after him. i think he has alot of potential and he would be a great addition to this team bc of his hustle on both ends of the court and his great shooting touch

Post #3 » by **The Guilty Party** » Sat Apr 4, 2009 5:05 pm

For me, I want the team to draft one of the many PGs that will be available. If they could trade up for someone like Jennings without breaking the bank, that would be awesome but what's a fair price to trade up to #5 in this draft where it's a toss up on every player after #1?

My guess is that the Sixers will NOT be trading up or down in this draft and that they'll just take whoever slides to them at #18. I think the Sixers are getting close to a point where taking the BPA is no longer the right move. If another 6'7" SF is the BPA on the board, can the Sixers really draft him?

CPops57 · Post #4 » by **CPops57** » Sat Apr 4, 2009 5:32 pm

As bad as the Sixers financial position might be, I'd bet a lot of teams are doing much worse.

This should be an offseason where the willingness to spend even a relatively small amount of extra money could lead to disproportionately large gains in talent.

PowerElite · Post #5 » by **PowerElite** » Sat Apr 4, 2009 5:35 pm

The Guilty Party wrote: I think the Sixers are getting close to a point where taking the BPA is no longer the right move. If another 6'7" SF is the BPA on the board, can the Sixers really draft him?

Should they select a pure SF? Absolutely not... Selecting a SF/SG like Iguodala and Carney would be a bad move. A SG/SF prospect like Michael Finley would fit. Another talented SF/PF like Thad wouldn't be a bad pick. But a short pure PF would be the worst pick possible because we already have 3 PFs on the roster with Brand, Speights, and Smith. PG, SG and SG/PG would be the best picks. Just as long as he isn't a Lou Williams type that's short, can't shoot, has poor ball security and court vision.

Post #6 » by **The Guilty Party** » Sat Apr 4, 2009 5:48 pm

PowerElite wrote:PG, SG and SG/PG would be the best picks. Just as long as he isn't a Lou Williams type that's short, can't shoot, has poor ball security and court vision.

I would agree with that and select for position in that order as well. Can we get everyone to identify what PG they would like to see selected at #18?? For me, it's Lawson.

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #7 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Sat Apr 4, 2009 6:08 pm

Lawson reminds me of a Chanucey Billups, you know he just wants to win. If we get him, we have the PG position locked for yrs to come.

sixerswillrule · Post #8 » by **sixerswillrule** » Sat Apr 4, 2009 6:16 pm

Stephen Curry.

Post #9 » by **The Guilty Party** » Sat Apr 4, 2009 6:21 pm

sixerswillrule wrote:Stephen Curry.

He intrigues me a lot. Obviously he can shoot the rock from deep (which is something this team NEEDS) but can he play the point effectively at the next level??

sixerswillrule · Post #10 » by **sixerswillrule** » Sat Apr 4, 2009 6:30 pm

Possibly. But I don't think we'll have any rookie PG starting for us any time soon. He'd be perfect for us replacing Lou's role, IMO. But I think a future backcourt of him and Iguodala could definitely work.

PowerElite · Post #11 » by **PowerElite** » Sat Apr 4, 2009 7:19 pm

I like everything about Lawson except for his length. I like his prospects of sticking in the NBA especially with his ability to utilize the talent his teammates will have. But his ability to finish in the NBA will be very suspect with his lack of height and arm length. I think Lawson is a career quality backup until he proves differently.

Johnny Flynn, the first time that I seen him play was during the Uconn game where all of his flaws were on full display. He barely looked like a division 1 player. He looked like Lou Williams during those games where he plays the worst defense in the NBA and can't make a single play. He could end up having the same talent and upside as Aaron Brooks has displayed during his NBA career. But I doubt that Flynn will be as good as Brooks...

freshie2 · Post #12 » by **freshie2** » Sat Apr 4, 2009 11:31 pm

Agree on Lawson and Flynn...neither are long enough. Trade up if you can get a player you covet...still would love to see Holiday as the PG of the future after the draft, but don't think you have to break the bank to get him at this point. Evans is interesting...if he can be a main ball handler and high end defender, I have not problem with the pick.

Sixersftw · Post #13 » by **Sixersftw** » Sat Apr 4, 2009 11:36 pm

I really like Eric Maynor (at our pick) but i could easily see him getting abused on the defensive end consistently. offensively I have no doubt he can hold his own.

PowerElite · Post #14 » by **PowerElite** » Sun Apr 5, 2009 1:02 am

When you consider that Chalmers was drafted in the second round, and people knew that he would be a long time NBA shooter from the outside and defender at the very least, guys like Flynn, Maynor, Collison and Lawson seem overrated. If I already had quality guards, I too would be looking to trade out of the 1st round and avoid the guaranteed contract.

Jrue Holiday looks like garbage playing off of the ball as a SG. I did see him as the PG during a short stint and he looked like a completely different player. He just might be a superior PG prospect even though he's not an elite athlete. I don't believe that he made the best decision to attend a program where he couldn't start at PG. One thing is for sure, he's a poor combo guard prospect.

Sandalf42 · Post #15 » by **Sandalf42** » Sun Apr 5, 2009 1:39 am

The Sixers method for this draft should be very simple. Evaluate the PG prospects, and whichever one is best take him. Whether they decide it's Brandon Jennings, Tywon Lawson, or Johnny Flynn, they need to take him. We need a real PG. No tweeners, or scorers, just a pure PG.

And FYI: Stephen Curry = JJ Redick.

sixerswillrule · Post #16 » by **sixerswillrule** » Sun Apr 5, 2009 1:52 am

And FYI: Stephen Curry = JJ Redick.

Is there another JJ Reddick? Because the JJ Reddick I know never averaged anything close to 6 assists per game.

You say we must draft a pure PG, but I disagree. For two reasons...

1) I don't think we need a pure PG. I think we could even succeed with a backcourt of Iguodala and someone like Ben Gordon or Randy Foye. Of course I'd prefer more of a PG like Hinrich, but I'm just saying that it could work.

2) Whoever we draft should not be starting for us next season, or even the following season. So I wouldn't be worried about whether the PG is "pure" or not, considering his role.

Sandalf42 · Post #17 » by **Sandalf42** » Sun Apr 5, 2009 2:15 am

sixerswillrule wrote:
And FYI: Stephen Curry = JJ Redick.

Is there another JJ Reddick? Because the JJ Reddick I know never averaged anything close to 6 assists per game.

You say we must draft a pure PG, but I disagree. For two reasons...

1) I don't think we need a pure PG. I think we could even succeed with a backcourt of Iguodala and someone like Ben Gordon or Randy Foye. Of course I'd prefer more of a PG like Hinrich, but I'm just saying that it could work.

2) Whoever we draft should not be starting for us next season, or even the following season. So I wouldn't be worried about whether the PG is "pure" or not, considering his role.

I think Stephen Curry's assist numbers is Iverson Syndrome. You have the ball so often and you score so much that you're bound to get 5-6 assists a game. Stephen Curry is undersized, and has average athleticism. Maybe JJ Redick is a little harsh, but I expect him to be that kind of player.

As for having a Ben Gordon type player at PG, I wouldn't advise it. Our team is young, and we need someone with the passing ability, instinct, and on court leadership of Andre Miller.

Obviously, it would be stupid to assume a rookie PG could step in Day 1 and be the guy we need, but by the end of next season, I expect him to be starting and playing well.

That is all of course assuming Andre Miller moves on, which I think is the case. Either way we need to draft a PG, but how much he plays depends on if Miller comes back.

freshie2 · Post #18 » by **freshie2** » Sun Apr 5, 2009 2:15 am

Holiday would have to be selected as a PG. The game I saw in Philly, he looked very smooth, composed, and in control of the game. I don't see combo guard, but think he could be a very good PG.

The thing that is so intriguing with Evans is he could be a star as a bigger lead guard. I think he's a gamble, but could pay off huge down the road. Could you imagine if you hit with Evans, and had a backcourt of Evans/Iguodala/Thad as the key pieces moving forward?? It gives you the potential for a great decade, similar to that of the late 70's and early 80's. If he is that type of project, he's worth giving up whatever it took outside of Thad/Iguodala to move up.

I don't see the Curry/Reddick comparison Curry has some PG qualities that I don't think Reddick ever displayed. Curry isn't an Isaiah/Paul/Williams type of prospect, but he is probably an upgrade over his father, who wasn't a bad pro either. Next to Iguodala, I think his flaws could be hidden.

I don't think the Sixers can sniff this guy if he comes out, but I would trade the club (minus Thad/Iguodala to get Monroe as well. He's long enough to play the post, and very, very skilled. He's another player similar to Evans in you're not quite sure if he's it or not, but the Sixers are not realistic contenders for another season if all goes well, and he could be a very high end big man.

BTW...'nova needed that 3 at the buzzer to go down...NC is outclassing them so far. Would like to see a comeback, but it will be a long road.

sixerswillrule · Post #19 » by **sixerswillrule** » Sun Apr 5, 2009 2:37 am

I think Stephen Curry's assist numbers is Iverson Syndrome. You have the ball so often and you score so much that you're bound to get 5-6 assists a game. Stephen Curry is undersized, and has average athleticism. Maybe JJ Redick is a little harsh, but I expect him to be that kind of player.

As for having a Ben Gordon type player at PG, I wouldn't advise it. Our team is young, and we need someone with the passing ability, instinct, and on court leadership of Andre Miller.

Obviously, it would be stupid to assume a rookie PG could step in Day 1 and be the guy we need, but by the end of next season, I expect him to be starting and playing well.

That is all of course assuming Andre Miller moves on, which I think is the case. Either way we need to draft a PG, but how much he plays depends on if Miller comes back.

Well the Ben Gordon idea was a little extreme, considering he's not at all a PG. But Curry definitely has some PG ability. I see no reason why he couldn't become a Mike Bibby or Mo Williams type player in this league. And I really think that's all we need.

I agree about drafting a PG, but if Miller stays, he'll probably be our starter for the next two years. And if he doesn't stay, we should look to somehow replace him with a veteran. Either way, I don't think we should put a rookie into a large role early on. Or maybe I'm just underestimating the ability of a rookie. Chalmers is doing fine in Miami. Oh well, we'll see what happens.

Sandalf42 · Post #20 » by **Sandalf42** » Sun Apr 5, 2009 5:07 am

sixerswillrule wrote:
I think Stephen Curry's assist numbers is Iverson Syndrome. You have the ball so often and you score so much that you're bound to get 5-6 assists a game. Stephen Curry is undersized, and has average athleticism. Maybe JJ Redick is a little harsh, but I expect him to be that kind of player.

As for having a Ben Gordon type player at PG, I wouldn't advise it. Our team is young, and we need someone with the passing ability, instinct, and on court leadership of Andre Miller.

Obviously, it would be stupid to assume a rookie PG could step in Day 1 and be the guy we need, but by the end of next season, I expect him to be starting and playing well.

That is all of course assuming Andre Miller moves on, which I think is the case. Either way we need to draft a PG, but how much he plays depends on if Miller comes back.

Well the Ben Gordon idea was a little extreme, considering he's not at all a PG. But Curry definitely has some PG ability. I see no reason why he couldn't become a Mike Bibby or Mo Williams type player in this league. And I really think that's all we need.

I agree about drafting a PG, but if Miller stays, he'll probably be our starter for the next two years. And if he doesn't stay, we should look to somehow replace him with a veteran. Either way, I don't think we should put a rookie into a large role early on. Or maybe I'm just underestimating the ability of a rookie. Chalmers is doing fine in Miami. Oh well, we'll see what happens.

Well I guess we have differing views of Curry. When I first started to follow the draft, I always wondered why the leading scorers in college rarely succeeded in the NBA. Now, I realize there's a difference between college players, and NBA players playing in college. And Stephen Curry just hits me as a college player. And I don't know enough about prospects to convince you of that, it's just my gut feeling.

Ideal scenario is Miller signs a two year deal and we draft Brandon Jennings, Tywon Lawson, or Johnny Flynn. I'll get back to you on what one I'd specifically want. But that would set up our PG spot for the short term and long term. And if we somehow got Ben Gordon also, it'd be a pipe dream. But Miller's probably goin out West. And if that's the case, Sixers fans are gonna have a rude awakening next year.