A.Randolph vs M.Beasley

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Re: A.Randolph vs M.Beasley 

Post#161 » by canefandynasty » Thu Apr 9, 2009 6:24 pm

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:That's dumb. Beasley's coming off the bench for two reasons - the first is so that he can be a spark off the bench for us (which he undeniably has been) and the second is so that he can learn the pro game without having the pressure of going up against the best of the best every second he's out there. It's exactly the same thing with Randolph, only Beasley earns more minutes on a playoff team. East or West, records don't matter because when the playoffs are in the picture, you either earn your minutes, or you sit down.


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That's just pure denial. Neither Randolph nor Beasley are coming off the bench so they can be sparks, even though they may be. It's flat out because they are yet to learn some things and this is the best way to make them do that.


WOW. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Beasley was put on the bench to become a scoring option when Wade gets his rest. We have a bunch of spot up shooters, but no one to set the flow on offense, like Beasley. That's why he has the second highest scoring average on the team.
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Re: A.Randolph vs M.Beasley 

Post#162 » by oaktownwarriors87 » Thu Apr 9, 2009 7:46 pm

canefandynasty wrote: WOW. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Beasley was put on the bench to become a scoring option when Wade gets his rest. We have a bunch of spot up shooters, but no one to set the flow on offense, like Beasley. That's why he has the second highest scoring average on the team.


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I can't believe people are in such denial, it's something that happens with young players. Look at the great duos of the past, when one is off the other is on... and they both start. Malone didn't come off the bench to set the pace when Stockton was off, Kobe didn't come off the bench to set the pace when O'neal was off, Pippen didn't come off the bench to set the pace when Jordan was off.

He's young and he's just not there yet, that's all.


Not trying to prove anything, it's not the largest sample but something interesting to look at none the less.

Beasley per 38 in 15 starts
Pts 17.6
Rbd 6.5
Stl .8
Blk .7
Ast 1.6
TO 2.3
FG% 44.5
FT% 82.6
3P% 26.3

Randolph per 38 in 18 starts
Pts 14.2
Rbd 12.8
Stl1.4
Blk 2.4
Ast 1.0
TO 2.1
FG% 46.9
FT% 76.7
3P% 0.0
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Re: A.Randolph vs M.Beasley 

Post#163 » by BBallFreak » Thu Apr 9, 2009 9:07 pm

oaktownwarriors87 wrote: :nonono:
That's just pure denial. Neither Randolph nor Beasley are coming off the bench so they can be sparks, even though they may be. It's flat out because they are yet to learn some things and this is the best way to make them do that.

I beg to differ. You're more than welcome to your opinion, but don't present it as sheer unadulterated fact. Here's evidence supporting my claim - Mario Chalmers. He has started every game for the Heat. You're certainly not going to tell me that he's more polished and NBA ready than both Randolph and Beasley, are you? You're not going to suggest that we should have started Chris Quinn, Marcus Banks, or Luther Head rather than Chalmers so that Chalmers could learn, are you?

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Re: A.Randolph vs M.Beasley 

Post#164 » by oaktownwarriors87 » Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:40 am

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oaktownwarriors87 wrote: :nonono:
That's just pure denial. Neither Randolph nor Beasley are coming off the bench so they can be sparks, even though they may be. It's flat out because they are yet to learn some things and this is the best way to make them do that.

I beg to differ. You're more than welcome to your opinion, but don't present it as sheer unadulterated fact. Here's evidence supporting my claim - Mario Chalmers. He has started every game for the Heat. You're certainly not going to tell me that he's more polished and NBA ready than both Randolph and Beasley, are you? You're not going to suggest that we should have started Chris Quinn, Marcus Banks, or Luther Head rather than Chalmers so that Chalmers could learn, are you?

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Beasley was surrounded with question marks about his attitude, defense ad desire. He's definitely not a bust but he hasn't taken those questions out of the back of peoples minds.

Chalmers is different, he's known for being a hard worker, a smart player and for a rookie experienced. Not only that he's almost a perfect fit for a player like Wade, Kobe or LeBron. He handles the ball well, makes good decisions, he can get in the passing lane, causes a lot of turnovers and he's a great spot up shooter. He came out stong and showed off his skills and that he was ready... he earned his spot.

No way on earth Chalmers is going to be better than Beasley and Randolph. Manu Ginoblie is a much better player than Bruce Bown, but Bruce Bowen is a much better fit in the staring lineup of the Spurs than Ginoblie. Chalbers is a Bruce Bowen, a great fit next to a great player.

Once Beasley earns his spot he will get it, I just hope they stay the course and make him earn it... if not, he's just a cross of Al Harington and Carlos Boozer(which is still one hell of a player). The funny thing is, if Randolph and Beasley were to switch spots they would both be getting a lot more playing time and attention.
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Re: A.Randolph vs M.Beasley 

Post#165 » by BBallFreak » Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:56 pm

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:Beasley was surrounded with question marks about his attitude, defense ad desire. He's definitely not a bust but he hasn't taken those questions out of the back of peoples minds.

Chalmers is different, he's known for being a hard worker, a smart player and for a rookie experienced. Not only that he's almost a perfect fit for a player like Wade, Kobe or LeBron. He handles the ball well, makes good decisions, he can get in the passing lane, causes a lot of turnovers and he's a great spot up shooter. He came out stong and showed off his skills and that he was ready... he earned his spot.


So, you're saying that Chalmers was more NBA ready than either Beasley or Randolph? Interesting that you're contradicting another Randolph supporters remark so starkly. Good for you, but you're not supporting your claim (which I don't even totally disagree with, btw) because Chalmers is starting not because he earned it per say, but because their was no other option. Don't get me wrong, he's owned it, but the road to that role was far easier due to a stark lack of competition. In other words, I'm not buying the crux of your Chalmers argument. If Miami had had a competent point guard already in place, Chalmers wouldn't be starting.

It's the same reason that Beasley's not starting ahead of Haslem. You're right, he's being allowed to learn, and he's being asked to spark this team off the bench. Trust me, that is a valued commodity. A guy who can come off the pine and give you 20 points is a very valuable asset. Everything he gives Miami is a necessity, and it's counted on. The spark he gives is invaluable. In terms of starting, he is being made to earn it. The difference between he and Chalmers however is that their were no obstacles worth speaking of in Chalmers' way. Beasley, on the other hand, has a solid starter ahead of him.

No way on earth Chalmers is going to be better than Beasley and Randolph. Manu Ginoblie is a much better player than Bruce Bown, but Bruce Bowen is a much better fit in the staring lineup of the Spurs than Ginoblie. Chalbers is a Bruce Bowen, a great fit next to a great player.


I don't argue that, but Bruce Bowen was a nothing far before he was a solid fit next to a great player. He was let go by Miami, let go by Philly, and finally brought back to Miami where he became a solid player.

Once Beasley earns his spot he will get it, I just hope they stay the course and make him earn it... if not, he's just a cross of Al Harington and Carlos Boozer(which is still one hell of a player).


That's not necessarily true, though it certainly is a possibility. Plenty of players have come into this league and matured into roles that were probably too big for them because their was no other choice, or just because they were destined to. Look at LeBron as a shining example - started from day one and never looked back.

The funny thing is, if Randolph and Beasley were to switch spots they would both be getting a lot more playing time and attention.


I don't agree. Randolph, in Miami, would have exactly the same problem as Beasley is having, and that is playing behind a very stable and solid starter. I certainly don't think he'd get the attention Beasley gets...
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Re: A.Randolph vs M.Beasley 

Post#166 » by oaktownwarriors87 » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:17 pm

On a level of experience, maturity and work ethic... yes, I believe he was more NBA ready.

I think Beasley would start as a Warriors. The number 2 overall pick, he's big and he can shoot. Nelson would love it. No way the media would let Nelson get away with ignoring the number 2 overall.

I also think Randolph would start for Miami, worst case the same role as Beasley. I think the coach would see his talent and fall in love with his heart and intensity. That's some HUGE speculation though.
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Re: A.Randolph vs M.Beasley 

Post#167 » by BBallFreak » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:51 pm

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:On a level of experience, maturity and work ethic... yes, I believe he was more NBA ready.

No one has ever questioned Beasley's work ethic, and in terms of maturity, they were in the same hotel room, caught smoking pot this offseason. I'd say they're on the same level there.
I think Beasley would start as a Warriors. The number 2 overall pick, he's big and he can shoot. Nelson would love it. No way the media would let Nelson get away with ignoring the number 2 overall.

Nellie would love him, no doubt.
I also think Randolph would start for Miami,

Not a chance. He's not better than Haslem, and at 210 pounds, he's not a starting center. There's no way he'd have come to Miami and started.
worst case the same role as Beasley. I think the coach would see his talent and fall in love with his heart and intensity. That's some HUGE speculation though.

It wouldn't be the same role. It couldn't be. Our bench offense runs through Michael Beasley. That's not Randolph's game, and not even the biggest homer out there can claim that it is. He'd be an energy guy in Miami - a role player (just as Beasley is a role player) brought in for hustle, rebounding, and defense. He'd be an Anderson Varajao type of player. He's a guy you'd love to have, and effects the game in all kinds of positive ways, but at this point should not have the ball in his hands any more than is absolutely necessary.

Beasley's role is that of 6th man. Wade sits, and the offense goes through him. He's the guy who tries to make sure the offense doesn't suffer too much when the big gun sits down...
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Re: A.Randolph vs M.Beasley 

Post#168 » by GswStorm3 » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:09 pm

Randolph still offered Miami the one thing didn't have before they acquired JO. Which was a shot blocker to help stop guard penetration.
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Re: A.Randolph vs M.Beasley 

Post#169 » by BBallFreak » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:13 pm

GswStorm3 wrote:Randolph still offered Miami the one thing didn't have before they acquired JO. Which was a shot blocker to help stop guard penetration.

Actually, we've got Joel Anthony, who is a very good shot blocker (in fact, plays fewer minutes than Randolph and blocks more shots), but thanks for playing...
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Re: A.Randolph vs M.Beasley 

Post#170 » by WadeKnicks2010 » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:43 pm

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This time it was Beasley throwing a medicine ball at teammate Jermaine O'Neal, then hiding behind a door in fear of retaliation. Beasley was so preoccupied with clowning around that he could hardly sit still for an interview.

It was a small window into what the Heat sees each day with its 20-year-old, fun-loving rookie.

"At times we don't like it," said Heat guard Dwyane Wade."

Even Wade knows what kind of person Beasley is. It must suck for guys like Wade and Haslem going from players with the rough, competitive, hard working mentalities such as themselves, Alonzo Mourning, and Brian Grant to kids like Beasley.
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Re: A.Randolph vs M.Beasley 

Post#171 » by BBallFreak » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:57 pm

WadeKnicks2010 wrote:"
This time it was Beasley throwing a medicine ball at teammate Jermaine O'Neal, then hiding behind a door in fear of retaliation. Beasley was so preoccupied with clowning around that he could hardly sit still for an interview.

It was a small window into what the Heat sees each day with its 20-year-old, fun-loving rookie.

"At times we don't like it," said Heat guard Dwyane Wade."

Even Wade knows what kind of person Beasley is. It must suck for guys like Wade and Haslem going from players with the rough, competitive, hard working mentalities such as themselves, Alonzo Mourning, and Brian Grant to kids like Beasley.

Oh lord, talk about blowing things out of proportion.

Of course, that's no shock coming from you. You do seem to have some personal issues with Beasley.

Oh, and I LOVE how you lop off the last words to Wade's quote"

"At times we don't like it," said Heat guard Dwyane Wade. "At times we love it."

And to further add, Erik Spoelstra had this to say about Beasley.

''He is a great personality to have around the team,'' Spoelstra said. ``He's one of my favorite guys to have in the gym because he's always got a smile on his face, he's not moody, and he comes with a positive frame of mind.''

Nice try though...
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Re: A.Randolph vs M.Beasley 

Post#172 » by Wade2k6 » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:01 pm

LOL you're going to try everything to try and discredit Beasley, aren't you?
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Re: A.Randolph vs M.Beasley 

Post#173 » by canefandynasty » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:33 pm

WadeKnicks getting owned in this thread. Darn, it must suck to be him right now
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Re: A.Randolph vs M.Beasley 

Post#174 » by BBallFreak » Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:16 pm

No comments from the Randolph supporters after Beasley goes for 23 and 13 against Boston?
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Post#175 » by WadeKnicks2010 » Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:11 pm

Wasn't watching for the most part, but I tuned in late in the 4th where Beasley made that horrible pass late in the game to basically seal the game for the Celtics.
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Post#176 » by NetsForce » Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:29 pm

Speaking about personalities... Anyone remember this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKuvbtFZFCY

Odom made Randolph cry.
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Post#177 » by killacalijatt » Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:29 am

NetsForce wrote:Speaking about personalities... Anyone remember this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKuvbtFZFCY

Odom made Randolph cry.


Maybe you didn't watch the game buddy, randolph was litterly $h1tt!NG on ODOM, maybe he was crying cuzz he got pulled from the game
HE PLAYS WITH INTENSITY AND LOOKS LIKE HES ABOUT TO CRY ALL THE TIME
You really come out with some dumb $h!t,
like how Yi owned anthony right? LOL
watch the game before you type something stupid and actually the game was also on national tv ESPN so everyone could see

"It's like looking in the mirror a little," Odom said about Randolph. "He's also 6-foot-11, he's left-handed and he can put the ball on the floor. He's two times as athletic as I was at that age.



you want to know y he said that cuzz randolph t-bagged him
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Re: A.Randolph vs M.Beasley 

Post#178 » by killacalijatt » Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:40 am

BBallFreak wrote:No comments from the Randolph supporters after Beasley goes for 23 and 13 against Boston?



thats good i never hated on Beasley, now he has to sustain that type of level of play, not show it every ten games and prove y he was the #2 pick


lets bring this thread up next season, since both players are showing the type of player we expect them to be, its going to be really interesting
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Re: A.Randolph vs M.Beasley 

Post#179 » by Wade2k6 » Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:40 am

I think it's pretty obvious when Beasley is given consistent minutes for 30-35+ minutes he plays great. So far in April he's averaging 18.5 ppg, 7 rpg, 2 apg on 52.9% from the field before tonights 28 point, 16 rebound performance. The best part of his recent play is his defense, which has been pretty good.
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Re: A.Randolph vs M.Beasley 

Post#180 » by dookieguy » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:33 am

Yeah, not to mention he's averaging 25.3 points and 12.6 rebounds on 56.3% FG as a starter for the HEAT in the past three games.
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