Hedo, He Don't...

Smills91 · Post #1 » by **Smills91** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:27 am

As much as I love Hedo, and as good as he's become, I just don't think it's prudent to be signing a 5 year deal for a player that's about 30 years old. If it was a 3 year deal, ABSOLUTELY, but IMO Hedo's going to be looking for that LAST contract and I think Orlando will be willing to give him a 6 year deal to retain him for the short term.

sackings916 · Post #2 » by **sackings916** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:44 am

Hedo does give us something we dont have - a creator in the half court. If we did sign him this offseason it shows the Kings are serious about competing. Magic fans seem to be high on Nocioni. If we can work out a SnT for Hedo with Noc as the main piece that would be ideal. Next yrs Kings could be-
Hawes
Thompson
Hedo/Garcia
Martin/Garcia
Rubio/Udrih

Smills91 · Post #3 » by **Smills91** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:55 am

sackings916 wrote:Hedo does give us something we dont have - a creator in the half court. If we did sign him this offseason it shows the Kings are serious about competing. Magic fans seem to be high on Nocioni. If we can work out a SnT for Hedo with Noc as the main piece that would be ideal. Next yrs Kings could be-
Hawes
Thompson
Hedo/Garcia
Martin/Garcia
Rubio/Udrih

I could be game with a Noc/Hedo swap. Totally.

I think our money could be spent better.

Post #4 » by **KF10** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:13 am

Hedo is/going to turn 30. I don't think it will be wise to give Hedo a long term contract. Considering that our team is no where near competing for anything next year and probably the other next year as well.

SacKingZZZ · Post #5 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:41 am

Depends on how much, but like I said before the deadline, this is probably our only chance to get a solid FA and Hedo or Odom fit along those lines IMO.

Post #6 » by **KF10** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:58 am

I just don't see what's the point obtaining a "win now" player, knowing that our team state is no where near that. But I wouldn't be too against the signing though because Hedo was one of my fav player back then.

Unless, Petrie has something under his sleeves i.e. another "1999 Offseason event" (we are due) i.e. signing of Divac (signing of Hedo), trade for Webber (trade for Amare), drafting of J-Will (drafting of Rubio) and new coach (Eddie Jordan).

That would be something. hahaha

SacKingZZZ · Post #7 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:05 am

kingsfan10 wrote:I just don't see what's the point obtaining a "win now" player, knowing that our team state is no where near that. But I wouldn't be too against the signing though because Hedo was one of my fav player back then.

Unless, Petrie has something under his sleeves i.e. another "1999 Offseason event" (we are due) i.e. signing of Divac (signing of Hedo), trade for Webber (trade for Amare), drafting of J-Will (drafting of Rubio) and new coach (Eddie Jordan).

That would be something. hahaha

Don't forget this team is still trying to get better, and adding a guy at the age of 30 really isn't necessarily like getting a player towards the end of his career. Were talking about somebody that probably has a good 5-6 years left in the league and you'd hope that at most you'd be ready to compete by the middle of that time frame. If that logic was used every time guys like Vlade and Doug Christie never would have been on this team.

The only problem I see is if we don't get Griffin I'd fear that means tons of Noc and Hedo at the 4 and that makes me feel a tad bit barfy.

perezident · Post #8 » by **perezident** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:14 am

oh gosh i really hope this is not true. He doesnt make us any better than we are now. He's still soft imo. Poor mans Dirk -- he doesnt impress me at all really. However, if we do sign him i wouldnt be tooooo upset; but if we can sign him for a 3-4 yr contract that would be ideal! If we can somehow obtain Hedo as well as Sessions. That would be the best step in the right direction. And imagine if we win the lotto and sign Griffin.

Draft Griffin, C. Brackins #24, Nick Calathes #31

New lineup
Hawes/JT
Griffin/Brackins/K9
Hedo/Noc
Martin/Cisco
Sessions/Beno/Calathes

looks good to me

murray · Post #9 » by **murray** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:59 am

I would take Marvin Williams over Hedo just due to the fact that he is younger.

Draft Griffin. Trade Thompson for a sign and trade of Marvin Williams. Draft Maynor. Draft Hansborough (not too high on him) in the 2nd round.

C. Hawes/ FA (low)
PF. Griffin/ Hansborough
SF. Williams/ Nocioni/ Greene
SG. Martin/ Garcia
PG. Beno/ Maynor

This team could compete next year, and the years after for sure. With Hedo, they compete next year, and kinda fall apart just due to age the years after that. Think the better investment is in the younger player in this case.

Post #10 » by **pillwenney** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:24 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:
Don't forget this team is still trying to get better, and adding a guy at the age of 30 really isn't necessarily like getting a player towards the end of his career. Were talking about somebody that probably has a good 5-6 years left in the league and you'd hope that at most you'd be ready to compete by the middle of that time frame. If that logic was used every time guys like Vlade and Doug Christie never would have been on this team.

The only problem I see is if we don't get Griffin I'd fear that means tons of Noc and Hedo at the 4 and that makes me feel a tad bit barfy.

It's a little bit different now. When we had signed Vlade, it was to pair with Chris Webber--we knew the team could then be pretty close to a playoff team right away. He had come after the rest of the starting 5 and Peja were in place. Doug came to a team that had already been to the playoffs for two straight seasons, and were clearly a couple of pieces away from being a real contender. It's not quite the same as going to a team that is so deep into rebuilding and is about to have had the worst record in the NBA with no other major additions other than a rookie. This team might be competitive within a couple of years, but a contender? No way.

darkadun · Post #11 » by **darkadun** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:12 am

I think its a move in the right direction honestly. I'd be down. It'd give us a good SM for the time being, and it might; it MAY help Greene develop. I think Greene has alot of potential. Hedo will help us in the meantime, and Greene can develop into a good player over the next few years. I don't really see a downside to this, especially if we can get Griffin/Rubio and another good player in the draft.

WIN WIN.

The Magic Man · Post #12 » by **The Magic Man** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:53 am

Magic fan,I was wondering how would you guys do if you had Dwight on your team,and do you think he would attract free-agents to a small market city.
pg:Beno,Jackson
sg:Martin,Garcia
sf:Nocioni,Greene
pf:Thompson,Hawes
c:Dwight,Hawes

But back on topic I would do a sign n trade of
Turk,Battie for Hawes,Thomas

KM44 · Post #13 » by **KM44** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:10 am

^Thanks for showing us what we could have. And in no way would we trade away hawes in a S&T for a pretty good SF.

dozencousins · Post #14 » by **dozencousins** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:04 am

No need for Hedo anymore to look at the facts plain & simple both Garcia & Noc make less money than we would be paying for Hedo & can do just as much in Garcia's situation at lease Cisco can play good overall defense Hedo ='s none !

lets not waste our cap on Hedo....

Post #15 » by **KF10** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:12 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:
Don't forget this team is still trying to get better, and adding a guy at the age of 30 really isn't necessarily like getting a player towards the end of his career. Were talking about somebody that probably has a good 5-6 years left in the league and you'd hope that at most you'd be ready to compete by the middle of that time frame. If that logic was used every time guys like Vlade and Doug Christie never would have been on this team.

The only problem I see is if we don't get Griffin I'd fear that means tons of Noc and Hedo at the 4 and that makes me feel a tad bit barfy.

But adding a win now player (Hedo) to the worst team in the NBA is far different from adding a win now player to a team that had established some sort of success (Kings in 99).

I just don't think Hedo would dramatically improve the team.

SacKingZZZ · Post #16 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:03 am

kingsfan10 wrote:
But adding a win now player (Hedo) to the worst team in the NBA is far different from adding a win now player to a team that had established some sort of success (Kings in 99).

I just don't think Hedo would dramatically improve the team.

Not really, that team did add to what was a pretty mediocre team at the time. It wasn't like when we got those players this team was expected to be anywhere near the team that it was. CWebb was considered a choking cancer, Vlade somewhat of a slug and not the difference maker he was here, and J-Will was a question mark coming in. Then you had Peja who basically nobody heard of and questionable vets here and there to fill it out.

Post #17 » by **KF10** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:38 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:
Not really, that team did add to what was a pretty mediocre team at the time. It wasn't like when we got those players this team was expected to be anywhere near the team that it was. CWebb was considered a choking cancer, Vlade somewhat of a slug and not the difference maker he was here, and J-Will was a question mark coming in. Then you had Peja who basically nobody heard of and questionable vets here and there to fill it out.

No. In the 98-99 season, they were 27-23. Remember the lock-out season? They had a 53% winning success. (So that is like 43-46 wins in a normal season) That is not mediocre. They reached the playoffs. This Kings team are arguably the worst in franchise history in terms of win totals. Even though, Webber had a reputation of a knuckhead, he was insanely talented. Divac still was a solid/really good center in the league at the time. Peja was a great international player but the problem was that most international player at the time didn't really panned out. But this was not the case. And Williams was a question mark. So you are right there.

Nice try though.

EDIT: Never mind, I read the wrong season. It was 27-55. A 33% win rate. The season I included was the season with the inclusion of those players. But either way, I just don't see Hedo have a large impact to this Kings team IMO.

darkadun · Post #18 » by **darkadun** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:06 pm

kingsfan10 wrote:
EDIT: Never mind, I read the wrong season. It was 27-55. A 33% win rate. The season I included was the season with the inclusion of those players. But either way, I just don't see Hedo have a large impact to this Kings team IMO.

You could be right, I don't know.

But, hedo is a great player. He can create his own shot and make clutch shots. Pairing him and Martin up, we'd have two great wing players who can both catch and shoot or create their own shot. If either one drove in and they doubled, the other would be open on the outside. That is one aspect of the offense we don't have right now. It gives us another weapon that would help make our offense more balanced.

Something else to think about is if we can find a good PG, lets say Rubio (and he starts); we would be bringing in 3/5ths of our current starting lineup off the bench. Beno, Garcia and Noc coming in off the bench wouldn't be bad at all.

OGSactownballer · Post #19 » by **OGSactownballer** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:08 pm

Essentially we DID have a very similar situation. The players from that team that didn't expire became the bench of the team in '99 (except Corliss, who was still the starter at SF). What the draft and available money did was fill in the other spots. If you look at things that way, then we are set at C and SG right now with the potential to improve at PG (Rubio or FA) PF (Griffin or trade or let JT develop) and SF (with two role player/Back-ups we can draft for this with the later picks or S&T or get a FA outright). At this point the guys who are currently starting and playing the majority of the minutes move to the bench and become solid back-ups so that we have a bench mob once again.

People tend to forget that over the course of a long NBA season, it is not just your super-star or all-stars that make you a great team, but also having great depth so that you can keep it up when the injury bug bites. I cite the Spurs as the prime example of this.

Smills91 · Post #20 » by **Smills91** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:48 pm

The Magic Man wrote:Magic fan,I was wondering how would you guys do if you had Dwight on your team,and do you think he would attract free-agents to a small market city.
pg:Beno,Jackson
sg:Martin,Garcia
sf:Nocioni,Greene
pf:Thompson,Hawes
c:Dwight,Hawes

But back on topic I would do a sign n trade of
Turk,Battie for Hawes,Thomas

No, honestly, the only sign and trade we might consider for Hedo is Nocioni or Beno.