Time to make some changes Kevin O'Connor

[TexJazz]

After this pathetic showing its clear that this Jazz team is going no where fast. Mr. O'Connor if you don't make some changes this off season you will start to lose your loyal fan base. Because fans can only take so much of this kind of lousy play. Players that have no heart, no hustle and drone around in their own world making more money in one poorly played game than most Jazz fans make in several years. How long do you think the fans can put up with PUTRID crap like this game and the Wolfs game? Please sir make some changes. Build a new team around DWill.

[freakazoid]

Excellent.

As an NBA talent expert, please give Kevin your advice.

Obviously, most of our team really sucks.

I doubt that anyone would argue that Booze and AK must go.

Keep in mind, that moneywise, we probably lose certain players without replacing them with similar talent.

Personally, I think we win the ring next year by losing Booze AND AK without replacing them.


Harp is the key.

[J_Ray]

Excellent.

As an NBA talent expert, please give Kevin your advice.

Obviously, most of our team really sucks.

I doubt that anyone would argue that Booze and AK must go.

Keep in mind, that moneywise, we probably lose certain players without replacing them with similar talent.

Personally, I think we win the ring next year by losing Booze AND AK without replacing them.


Harp is the key.

GTFO You know the guy is right about needing changes....Utah is pathetic right now and have no defensive intensity until they find themselves down by 15+. Ronnie Price should of been playing as soon as this horrible play started happening b/c once Harpring was out of the rotation, Utah had absolutely no hustle guys left that would radiate the intensity to their teammates. Millsap has been beat up the whole season and it's finally showing. If someone pays Millsap, I say Utah should let him go b/c we just simply need more length off the bench. Koufos should be fine next year & Utah needs to sign veteran like a Mikki Moore this summer that will buck up when the going gets tough. Imagine if Utah had a guy like McDyess rather than Boozer or Millsap, Utah would be contenders right now IMO. Utah needs to find a way just to get a tough SOB that will knock ppl on their ass and bring the intensity every night, even if it drafting a Jon Brockman or signing some scrub that will show up in practice like Hoffa.

[freakazoid]

GTFO ... Imagine if Utah had a guy like McDyess rather than Boozer or Millsap, Utah would be contenders right now IMO.

Seriously though, imagine if we had......Sorry, can't think of anything stupider. Props.


UTAH TRADES

Boozer and Millsap

DETROIT TRADES

McDyess

Failed Trade Scenario
Sorry, but this trade does not work.

Due to Utah and Detroit being over the cap, besides the fact that nobody in their right mind would take this seriously. This trade does not satisfy the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

[J_Ray]

GTFO ... Imagine if Utah had a guy like McDyess rather than Boozer or Millsap, Utah would be contenders right now IMO.

Seriously though, imagine if we had......Sorry, can't think of anything stupider. Props.

From the beginning of March, here's what both guys have been doing....McDyess is averaging 13/12/1blk/1TO/50% FG in 30 minutes a game and plays a lick of D in the post...Boozer 15/10/3TO's on worse shooting & more shots to go along with his great matador D. Maybe if you got out of your box and saw some real basketball, you'd realize why Utah has so many issues right now.

[freakazoid]

From the beginning of March, here's what both guys have been doing....McDyess is averaging 13/12/1blk/1TO/50% FG in 30 minutes a game and plays a lick of D in the post...Boozer 15/10/3TO's on worse shooting & more shots to go along with his great matador D. Maybe if you got out of your box and saw some real basketball, you'd realize why Utah has so many issues right now.

I stand corrected and embarrassed.

You've obviously put a lot of thought into this. My bad.

Do you think there's any way we could trade Boozer and Sap for McDyess?

Maybe if we threw in AK and the NY pick, and they threw in AI?

That would be sweet.

[HammerDunk]

I couldn't agree more. Lose Booz and AK. I don't care what we get back, at least we won't have AK jacking up bricks EVERY TIME he touches the ball and Boozer getting stuffed on one of his WNBA layups. They have GOT to go.

And believe me, I was a heavy AK advocate earlier this season, when he was actually contributing. Boozer, I can't say I have been a fan of his for a while now. I wanted to give him a chance after his surgery, but that was a big mistake.

Take off the kool-aid goggles freakazoid, this team is going nowhere fast with those 2.

[J_Ray]

I stand corrected and embarrassed.

You've obviously put a lot of thought into this. My bad.

Do you think there's any way we could trade Boozer and Sap for McDyess?

Maybe if we threw in AK and the NY pick, and they threw in AI?

That would be sweet.

Learn how to read before you open your mouth and sound like a complete moron, no said trade both of them, just replace one of them and that would preferably be Boozer. Ask any reasonable Jazz fans right now and they would tell you the problem has been Boozer since he has comeback. The offense has gone stagnant, the defense is much worse, and he's obviously not himself or anything close to it.

Imagine if Utah had a guy like McDyess rather than Boozer or Millsap, Utah would be contenders right now IMO.

[freakazoid]

Take off the kool-aid goggles freakazoid, this team is going nowhere fast with those 2.

Believe me, I have.

Please realize that most likely we'll lose both players, while getting nothing in return.

Team chemistry is obviously a problem, but I doubt most fans truly understand the financial issues.

Are we better off without AK and Booze, if we replace them with players who are comparable?

Possibly.

Are we better off without them, considering that they won't be replaced for financial reasons?

Good luck.

[freakazoid]

Learn how to read before you open your mouth and sound like a complete moron, no said trade both of them, just replace one of them and that would preferably be Boozer. Ask any reasonable Jazz fans right now and they would tell you the problem has been Boozer since he has comeback. The offense has gone stagnant, the defense is much worse, and he's obviously not himself or anything close to it.

My bad. You obviously understand the Collective Bargaining Agreement and all the changes that make it possible for Utah to replace Boozer with a Better player.

BTW, could you possibly fill us in on team salary and how much room we have to improve when dumping players like Boozer or AK?

Thanks.

P.S. IF you don't know what the CBA is, I'll help you out, since I recently just learned to read.


http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

(thank me later)



Just for kicks....Booze likely won't opt out, and AK is under contract for another year.

Maybe something will happen in the off-season with both players or one, but odds are good if they are still here by the trading deadline next year, both will be moved one way or the other.

If McDyess is the best we can get, I hope to get hit by a train several times and then run over by a truck.

[HammerDunk]

A defensive PF would make worlds of difference for this team. He doesn't have to be near what Boozer is on the other end of the floor. Nobody expects to get another "all-star" PF in return.

[freakazoid]

A defensive PF would make worlds of difference for this team.

Yeah, too bad we didn't have someone like that while Boozer was injured.

[carrottop12]

The Jazz were waiting to see how this team played when they were healthy before they made any moves.

We are now seeing what is happening, hopefully KOC realizes it's time to change it up.

[freakazoid]

The Jazz were waiting to see how this team played when they were healthy before they made any moves.

We are now seeing what is happening, hopefully KOC realizes it's time to change it up.

Ok, I'm game. What moves are possible?

Money is a HUGE issue.

In what direction should KOC move?

[J_Ray]

A defensive PF would make worlds of difference for this team. He doesn't have to be near what Boozer is on the other end of the floor. Nobody expects to get another "all-star" PF in return.

Please explain this to freakazoid....that is if he is willing to read it instead of making up a strawman

Utah has a legit team right now, all they need is a piece or two, that I'm sure they could get using Boozer's expiring if he doesn't opt out. Nothing is wrong with Kirilenko, just he needs some motivation that he could get from other that are around him. Throw in a Mikki Moore type spark plug and AK will be playing again.

[HammerDunk]

How can you honestly say that nothing is wrong with AK right now? He doesn't pass the ball anymore, which was one of his strengths. He shoot way too many Js, goes to the rim WAY too weak, and is losing weight. What is good about him right now?

[freakazoid]

Please explain this to freakazoid....that is if he is willing to read it instead of making up a strawman

Utah has a legit team right now, all they need is a piece or two, that I'm sure they could get using Boozer's expiring if he doesn't opt out. Nothing is wrong with Kirilenko, just he needs some motivation that he could get from other that are around him. Throw in a Mikki Moore type spark plug and AK will be playing again.

Strawman?

Hell, I could care less about him, let alone the tinman or cowardly Lion.

You miss the point.

Money is an issue. Sure, we could trade Boozer's expiring for some nice pieces, if money wasn't an issue, but it IS.

I don't know how else to make my point, so I'll post a link to reality.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/utah.htm

Next year

AK= $16,451,250.00

Booze = $12,657,233.00

Team = $71,799,719.00(keep in mind this # doesn't include raises for players, for example Millsap(assuming we keep him) = Zero Dollars) LOOK AT THE LINK.


Some of you may be ignorant of the money issue, and some may just be kidding themselves, but the fact remains that we will be shedding salary at some point within the next coming year/season.

Hate AK and/or Booze? Well, you're in luck. Chances are we'll be losing one or both with nobody decent coming back. I look forward to the "KOC sucks" threads,.

What is the "luxury tax?" Why does it exist? How is it determined? Who pays it?

The luxury tax is a mechanism that helps control team spending. While it is commonly referred to as a "luxury tax," the CBA simply calls it a "tax" or a "team payment." It is paid by high spending teams -- teams whose payroll exceeds a predetermined tax level. These teams pay one dollar for each dollar their payroll (with a few exceptions, see below) exceeds the tax level The tax level is determined prior to the season, and is computed by taking 61% of projected BRI, subtracting projected benefits ($112 million in 2005-06), and adjusting for whether the previous season's BRI was above or below projections. They then divide by the number of teams (except expansion teams in their first two seasons) to arrive at the tax level. Here are the tax levels in each season, and the teams that paid the tax:

Season Tax Level Taxpaying Teams (amount paid in $millions)
2005-06 $61.7 million* Knicks ($37.2), Mavs ($17.3), Magic ($7.8), Pacers ($4.7), Grizzlies ($3.7), Spurs ($0.9)
2006-07 $65.42 million Knicks ($45.1), Mavs ($7.2), Nuggets ($2.0), T-Wolves ($1.0), Spurs ($0.2)
2007-08 $67.865 million Knicks ($19.7), Mavs ($19.6), Cavs ($14.0), Nuggets ($13.6), Heat ($8.3), Celtics ($8.2), Lakers ($5.1), Suns ($3.9)
2008-09 $71.150 million

[FJS]

Ak must to go,but it's difficult to trade him due to his enormous amount of salary nd not being expiring.
Boozer maybe will go alone. If he doesn't opt out I will left Sap go, because he is a good player, but he is not, and he is not going to be a GREAT player.

[outerspacefella]

We have serious flaws at the 3, 4 and 5 positions.
3 - Kirilenko, Miles, Harpring
4 - Meteoro, Millsap
5 - Okur, Collins, Fesenkp, Koufos

SF - A huge hole there; Kirilenko continuously find ways to play more and more awful and Miles' has not evolved more than a bottom tier wing in the league; Harpring at leas still has fire in him yet his body is almost done. HUGE HOLE HERE.

PF - Someboody else described our situation here better than anyone else: We can't continue with this guy WNBA layups!!! And as much as a love Millsap's antics and passion, he's on a hole too. He's not the PF that will lead us anywhere. SECOND HUGE HOLE HERE.

C - I'd keep Okur sharing duties with a classical center here; Collins' done; give Koufos or Fesenko playing time. We can make up for the center position if Koufos or Fesenko finally make it. If not...

Players to mantain: Williams, Brewer, Okur, Korver, Fesenko, Koufos.
The rest of them should be worked out somehow by next february tradeline.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

I think you guys don't understand what AK can do for this team, sure he hasn't played well lately but the only reason we started the season decently was because of AK's play. I would be saying the same thing for Boozer but he hasn't played well for the past 2 seasons.