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[Smills91]

Essentially we DID have a very similar situation. The players from that team that didn't expire became the bench of the team in '99 (except Corliss, who was still the starter at SF). What the draft and available money did was fill in the other spots. If you look at things that way, then we are set at C and SG right now with the potential to improve at PG (Rubio or FA) PF (Griffin or trade or let JT develop) and SF (with two role player/Back-ups we can draft for this with the later picks or S&T or get a FA outright). At this point the guys who are currently starting and playing the majority of the minutes move to the bench and become solid back-ups so that we have a bench mob once again.

People tend to forget that over the course of a long NBA season, it is not just your super-star or all-stars that make you a great team, but also having great depth so that you can keep it up when the injury bug bites. I cite the Spurs as the prime example of this.

Actually a good point here.

Let's assume we did get Hedo on a 3 year 25 million dollar deal or a 4 year 30 million dollar deal.

Then we drafted Griffin with the #1 pick(I can still dream until May 19th), Craig Brackins with the Rox pick and Patrick Mills with the #31 pick.

Re-sign B-Jax to a vet min contract.

That's give us a line-up of:

C: Spencer Hawes, Craig Brackins
PF: Blake Griffin, Jason Thompson Kenny Thomas
SF: Hedo Turkoglu, Andres Nocioni, Donte Greene
SG: Kevin Martin, Francisco Garcia
PG: Beno Udrih, Bobby Jackson, Patrick Mills

Go forward with Beno AND a new coach for next season. Strive to make the playoffs, and then look for new opportunities to upgrade the PG in 2010 via FA, trade Kenny's expiring deal with a pick for an upgrade and/or see how Patty Mills does.

[The Magic Man]

If Turk played for the Kings he would be a 20+ scorer because he would be the second and sometimes the first option,he averages 17pts with the Magic because we have so many weapons and on most nights Turk is our 3rd option on offense.

Hypothetical Question for Kings fans how good is Spencer Hawes and do you think he could play the pf position.Do you think he would be a good compliment to Dwight.

[SacKingZZZ]

Not really, that team did add to what was a pretty mediocre team at the time. It wasn't like when we got those players this team was expected to be anywhere near the team that it was. CWebb was considered a choking cancer, Vlade somewhat of a slug and not the difference maker he was here, and J-Will was a question mark coming in. Then you had Peja who basically nobody heard of and questionable vets here and there to fill it out.

No. In the 98-99 season, they were 27-23. Remember the lock-out season? They had a 53% winning success. (So that is like 43-46 wins in a normal season) That is not mediocre. They reached the playoffs. This Kings team are arguably the worst in franchise history in terms of win totals. Even though, Webber had a reputation of a knuckhead, he was insanely talented. Divac still was a solid/really good center in the league at the time. Peja was a great international player but the problem was that most international player at the time didn't really panned out. But this was not the case. And Williams was a question mark. So you are right there.

Nice try though.


EDIT: Never mind, I read the wrong season. It was 27-55. A 33% win rate. The season I included was the season with the inclusion of those players. But either way, I just don't see Hedo have a large impact to this Kings team IMO.

Dude, that team had question marks all over it and I remember plenty of doubt about that move for CWebb alone. It wasn't like the Kings signed Jordan and they were now annointed "king" of the land.

He's talent, one that Petrie seems to like, one that knows the system they want to get back to, and probably an even better compliment for us at SF than Nocioni. Like I said, if it's a fair deal, then I have no problems brining Hedo back. You don't necessarily have to wait to bring in impact players 3-4 top draft picks in. Petrie has drafted very, very well. We do indeed have a very nice catalog of young talent and could maybe add a very significant piece this upcoming draft, lets see what happens.

[SadKingsFan]

I dont Agree with Hedo coming here either, its a waste of money. Will we be a better team? Of course, but what was the point of trading Artest if were just going to bring another veteran in that takes us from sucky to mediocre? This move would do absolutely nothing for us. I am still not sure who we should draft between Griffin, Rubio and Thabeet but i am pretty sure that Hedo just isnt the right move regardless of who we draft.

[SacKingZZZ]

I dont Agree with Hedo coming here either, its a waste of money. Will we be a better team? Of course, but what was the point of trading Artest if were just going to bring another veteran in that takes us from sucky to mediocre? This move would do absolutely nothing for us. I am still not sure who we should draft between Griffin, Rubio and Thabeet but i am pretty sure that Hedo just isnt the right move regardless of who we draft.

Because unlike Artest, Hedo actually fits into the vision Petrie has for this team. He will fit into the system, Artest was like a square trying to fit into a round hole.

[Bac2Basics]

I don't see us dealing for a veteran SF unless we also move Garcia or Nocioni in the process, or in another deal.

[KF10]

Dude, that team had question marks all over it and I remember plenty of doubt about that move for CWebb alone. It wasn't like the Kings signed Jordan and they were now annointed "king" of the land.

He's talent, one that Petrie seems to like, one that knows the system they want to get back to, and probably an even better compliment for us at SF than Nocioni. Like I said, if it's a fair deal, then I have no problems brining Hedo back. You don't necessarily have to wait to bring in impact players 3-4 top draft picks in. Petrie has drafted very, very well. We do indeed have a very nice catalog of young talent and could maybe add a very significant piece this upcoming draft, lets see what happens.

We have to agree to disagree, I guess.

If we sign (or probably sign and trade scenario) Hedo back here, Petrie has to have several moves following after that transaction. That's the only way plausible for me for a Hedo to Kings situation. Is that we have to do (or look for) mid-major moves if we are going to establish something. Hedo alone will not make us any better. If we are just going to sign Hedo and sign average guys i.e. Moore, Maurice Taylor, and etc I hate to be the one to be really critical on Petrie (and I love Petrie. no homo). As is right now, we are just horrible.

As for Eddie Jordan, like in the past, I do NOT have a high view on him BUT I would give him a shot with this roster. (Even though, his shortcomings are glaring. Anything is better than Natt I guess).

[pillwenney]

No, I mean even still, a team with a young player like Chris Webber--one that at least is clearly talented enough to build around, is more ready to compete now than this team clearly is. I mean that's a huge difference maker.

Doug, however, is not even remotely comparable to this situation.

[SacKingZZZ]

We have to agree to disagree, I guess.

If we sign (or probably sign and trade scenario) Hedo back here, Petrie has to have several moves following after that transaction. That's the only way plausible for me for a Hedo to Kings situation. Is that we have to do (or look for) mid-major moves if we are going to establish something. Hedo alone will not make us any better. If we are just going to sign Hedo and sign average guys i.e. Moore, Maurice Taylor, and etc I hate to be the one to be really critical on Petrie (and I love Petrie. no homo). As is right now, we are just horrible.

As for Eddie Jordan, like in the past, I do NOT have a high view on him BUT I would give him a shot with this roster. (Even though, his shortcomings are glaring. Anything is better than Natt I guess).

Here's the thing, what bringing back Hedo does is basically take care of the cap space we have coming up. I still think the only way we get a significant, or even a solid player is spending money this upcoming offseason. The few that might be on the table are Boozer, Hedo, and Odom. Hedo is probably the most attainable of all 3 and I personally don't think we're going to be a player in 2010 whether we have capspace or not. Another factor is that move to bring in Nocioni hurt our chances even further in 2010 do to the length of his contract.

The improvement of this team doesn't necessarily have to come in the form of major player personnel overhaul, it can come from within. These young players here already, and the ones that will join the team this offseason, have a lot of room to grow. IMO the future is pretty bright and may not be so far down the road either. Like I said, adding talent is adding talent and if the deal is fair, Hedo is talent and if nothing else another trade piece or a valuable use of cap space.

We are horrible but even more importantly we are YOUNG. If you're going to be horrible it's the best case scenario to be young and when your young talent is showing that they have serious, and I mean SERIOUS, potential.

The Eddie Jordan thing is at least about "fit". That's the difference between now and a few years ago. It was like fighting against the grain, all these pieces that didn't fit together. I've been talking for 2-3 years now about how Petrie was structuring this team and I think I've been proven right to an extent. Whether or not it was intentional, he was assembling talent that fits into a particular style and one that Eddie Jordan knows very well and prefers. Don't forget, in Washington he never really had the personnel to play that style to perfection either, maybe he can here if he indeed becomes head coach of this team.

[darkadun]

Agreed ^^. I'd be all for bringing Hedo here, especially if we have the cap space, and considering there really are not any other better players that would be obtainable. Hedo's history with the kings makes him seem more obtainable. However, if I were Hedo, I certainly wouldn't leave a contending team and young Dwight Howard to come play for the kings. But, you never know I guess...

[SweetLewfor3]

Hedo is resigning with ORL. He has no reason to go elsewhere.

[SacKingZZZ]

Agreed ^^. I'd be all for bringing Hedo here, especially if we have the cap space, and considering there really are not any other better players that would be obtainable. Hedo's history with the kings makes him seem more obtainable. However, if I were Hedo, I certainly wouldn't leave a contending team and young Dwight Howard to come play for the kings. But, you never know I guess...

I think it all depends on money, and the Magic have a pretty high and escalating salary cap for some time to come.