A.Randolph vs M.Beasley

[canefandynasty]

Why compare players per 38 minutes for their starts when you can just compare the players actual numbers during their starts?

Randolph in 20 games as a starter:
9.8 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 24.3 minutes per game and 47.2% from the field.

Beasley in 17 games as a starter:
16 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.3 apg in 31.1 minutes per game and 46.4% from the field

sweet so that pretty much backs up what everyones been saying
beasleys a better scorer, randolphs better at everything else

Beasleys scoring outweighs everything Randolph does. I also believe that Beasley is a better man defender. He did a pretty good job on David West for the most part holding him to 1-12 FG before regulation. Anthony Randolph is an energy player than is good at help defense and weakside blocks as a whole. He's also better reading the passing lanes and defensive rotations. But Beasley is a better one on one defender (especially when he puts his mind in it for the mere fact he doesn't get pushed around as much and can stay in front of his man. They're both different types of defenders.

[Wade2k6]

Beasley in the 17 games that he played 30 minutes or more:
19.5 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 1.8 apg on 50.7 % from the field in 36.6 MPG

Randolph in the 7 games that he played 30 minutes or more:
12.8 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 1.1 apg on 42.6% from the field in 35.2 MPG

This is the best way to judge them. 1.4 MPG separate the two players so I don't want to hear excuses about him playing 7-8 more minutes a game.

Advantage: BEASTLEY

[canefandynasty]

Their PER is actually the same (16.7). Keep in mind that PER takes account pace, exposing Randolph stats a bit inflated.

[GswStorm3]

24 points/16boards/4assists/4steals/1 block for Randolph tonight. Randolph was the only player that truly showed up against the Spurs tonight.

Randolph is going to develop the all around game, I can't say the same for Beasley.

[killacalijatt]

Warriors fans just give it a rest until next season, when your boy can maybe hit some of that untapped potential and actually prove it on the court. In the mean time, excited to see how Beasley performs in his first playoffs.

LOL you are hard headed arnt you, hes already hit some of that untapped potential and hes proven it on the court,
Maybe his 24 points 16 boards 4 assists 4 steals 1 block today is a yet another showing

[killacalijatt]

Their PER is actually the same (16.7). Keep in mind that PER takes account pace, exposing Randolph stats a bit inflated.

Well if you you say randolphs stats are inflated then Beasleys stats are inflated cuzz he plays with an MVP candidate and teams focus more attention on Wade and less on everybody else

[Wade2k6]

Their PER is actually the same (16.7). Keep in mind that PER takes account pace, exposing Randolph stats a bit inflated.

Well if you you say randolphs stats are inflated then Beasleys stats are inflated cuzz he plays with an MVP candidate and teams focus more attention on Wade and less on everybody else

It can go both ways. Playing with a legit #1 option and a top 2-3 scorer in the league also takes away Beasleys touches and # of shots. It also means that more times then not plays will not be called for him, but instead be called for Wade.

[killacalijatt]

People that say Randolph can't touch Beasley are iggnorant dumb ****, look at every statistical catagory and its not even close Beasley plays more and does less, simple as that you can't argue nothing

If you really want to look at statistics, take a look at playing time and team records. Beasley is playing 7.7 more minutes per game ON A TEAM THAT IS A 5TH SEED IN THE PLAYOFFS, while Randolph is a playing 7.7 minutes less and producing less on a team that's 22 GAMES UNDER .500. You can look at it anyway you want, but Beasley would most definetly be playing more then 18 minutes a game on GS's awful roster.

Please GS fans.

Beasley is playing with a MVP candidate,
Did you know Miami wouldnt even be in the playoffs in the West
THey wouldnt even be the 9th seed, theyd be the 10 seed meaning Warriors would be 11th

[Wade2k6]

Beasley is playing with a MVP candidate,
Did you know Miami wouldnt even be in the playoffs in the West
THey wouldnt even be the 9th seed, theyd be the 10 seed meaning Warriors would be 11th

I'll take this my last post (at least i think) because I'm getting sick of arguing with a bunch of Warrior homers that compare Randolph to Magic Johnson and KG ( )

You can say what you want about MIA missing the playoffs in the West, but GS would be 15th best team in the East, and have the 2nd to worst record in the East, as well as still having the 7th worst record in the league.

And I'll end with this..

Beasley in the 17 games that he played 30 minutes or more:
19.5 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 1.8 apg on 50.7 % from the field in 36.6 MPG

Randolph in the 7 games that he played 30 minutes or more:
12.8 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 1.1 apg on 42.6% from the field in 35.2 MPG

[killacalijatt]

People that say Randolph can't touch Beasley are iggnorant dumb ****, look at every statistical catagory and its not even close Beasley plays more and does less, simple as that you can't argue nothing

If you really want to look at statistics, take a look at playing time and team records. Beasley is playing 7.7 more minutes per game ON A TEAM THAT IS A 5TH SEED IN THE PLAYOFFS, while Randolph is a playing 7.7 minutes less and producing less on a team that's 22 GAMES UNDER .500. You can look at it anyway you want, but Beasley would most definetly be playing more then 18 minutes a game on GS's awful roster.

Please GS fans.

What happened last year when Wade was injured for most of the season, Miami ended up with the #2 pick,
Warriors this year have been raped with injuries, of course we have a god awful lineup look at what we have to play with 2 dleaguers 2 undrafted rookies, Randolph-Rookie, Turiaf, Crawford
You expect us to win when were missing 4 starters,
and how is he producing less he beats Beasleys in every catagory other then scoring in less time played ?

[killacalijatt]

Beasley is playing with a MVP candidate,
Did you know Miami wouldnt even be in the playoffs in the West
THey wouldnt even be the 9th seed, theyd be the 10 seed meaning Warriors would be 11th

I'll take this my last post (at least i think) because I'm getting sick of arguing with a bunch of Warrior homers that compare Randolph to Magic Johnson and KG ( )

Beasley in the 17 games that he played 30 minutes or more:
19.5 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 1.8 apg on 50.7 % from the field in 36.6 MPG

Randolph in the 7 games that he played 30 minutes or more:
12.8 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 1.1 apg on 42.6% from the field in 35.2 MPG

Why do you only bring up games hes started in why not look at the whole picture the season averages outright cuzz you know Randolph killz Beasley
Why not do just do 15minutes or more? WHY NOT

[killacalijatt]

Beasley is playing with a MVP candidate,
Did you know Miami wouldnt even be in the playoffs in the West
THey wouldnt even be the 9th seed, theyd be the 10 seed meaning Warriors would be 11th

I'll take this my last post (at least i think) because I'm getting sick of arguing with a bunch of Warrior homers that compare Randolph to Magic Johnson and KG ( )

And were tired of argueing with Miami homers who compare Beasley to Duncan, or the (Please Use More Appropriate Word) stats he going to put up of 32/10

[killacalijatt]

Does Beasley need to play more then 30 minutes inorder to be effective?

[Wade2k6]

Why do you only bring up games hes started in why not look at the whole picture the season averages outright cuzz you know Randolph killz Beasley
Why not do just do 15minutes or more? WHY NOT

Um, i clearly stated that it was games that they played over 30 minutes, i never said they started. Beasley started in 10 of the 17 games, while Randolph started in all 7 of his games over 30 minutes. So yes, those averages do take into account all season, learn to read buddy.

And please tell me your not serious with that second comment. Why not compare 15 minutes or more? Really? I used 30 MPG becuase it gave a fair sample of both Randolph and Beasley, and they both had similar amount of minutes during those games (it is also mostly games where both players have started and have been given extended amounts of time).

And were tired of argueing with Miami homers who compare Beasley to Duncan, or the (Please Use More Appropriate Word) stats he going to put up of 32/10

And second, that was one guys opinion, although it is far-fetched. No need to group all MIA fans with his single opinion. Saying that, it isn't just 2-3 posters severly overhyping Randolph, it's more like most of their posters.

And as I said earlier, I'm done with this thread and some of these joke posters who compare every young player they have to an all-star or all-time great.

[J-Rich-]

Beasley is playing with a MVP candidate,
Did you know Miami wouldnt even be in the playoffs in the West
THey wouldnt even be the 9th seed, theyd be the 10 seed meaning Warriors would be 11th

I'll take this my last post (at least i think) because I'm getting sick of arguing with a bunch of Warrior homers that compare Randolph to Magic Johnson and KG ( )

And were tired of argueing with Miami homers who compare Beasley to Duncan, or the (Please Use More Appropriate Word) stats he going to put up of 32/10

i laughed my ass off when i read those homers predicting those averages

[killacalijatt]

Why do you only bring up games hes started in why not look at the whole picture the season averages outright cuzz you know Randolph killz Beasley
Why not do just do 15minutes or more? WHY NOT

And please tell me your not serious with that second comment. Why not compare 15 minutes or more? Really? I used 30 MPG becuase it gave a fair sample of both Randolph and Beasley, and they both had similar amount of minutes during those games (it is also mostly games where both players have started and have been given extended amounts of time).

but thats not a fair chance givin to Randolph because hes had far better games played at less then 30minutes , your only taking account 7 games for randolph
7 freakin games is that even comparable

[killacalijatt]

And second, that was one guys opinion, although it is far-fetched. No need to group all MIA fans with his single opinion. Saying that, it isn't just 2-3 posters severly overhyping Randolph, it's more like most of their posters.

And as I said earlier, I'm done with this thread and some of these joke posters who compare every young player they have to an all-star or all-time great.

actually it is only 2-3 posters that over hype Randolph, no need to group all Warriors fans to that catagory

and every player coming out of the draft is compared to an elite NBA player (the best thing he can become and the worst thing he can become)
was it wrong to compare Oden to Shaq? that was his best case senerio and Kwame his worst case

[dookieguy]

24 points/16boards/4assists/4steals/1 block for Randolph tonight. Randolph was the only player that truly showed up against the Spurs tonight.

Randolph is going to develop the all around game, I can't say the same for Beasley.

Excellent point. He put up 24/16 being the ONLY player who did something, while Beasley put up better playing alongside Wade's 55 points. Interesting to think what Beasley would do as the lone contributor. o_o

[J-Rich-]

24 points/16boards/4assists/4steals/1 block for Randolph tonight. Randolph was the only player that truly showed up against the Spurs tonight.

Randolph is going to develop the all around game, I can't say the same for Beasley.

Excellent point. He put up 24/16 being the ONLY player who did something, while Beasley put up better playing alongside Wade's 55 points. Interesting to think what Beasley would do as the lone contributor. o_o

Yes he does have a very good point. More players playing well means defenders are concentrating on multiple players while the only player who shows up for the game gets more attention from the rest of the defenders.

[BlaZeN27]

Wow, so many horrible posts in this thread from both Miami fans and Golden State fans.

First off, Golden State fans cannot just ignore the pace factor when your using Randolph's averages. The Warriors are the fastest paced team in the league by a fair margin where as the Heat are the 21st fastest paced team in the league. Golden State has 100 possessions per game while Miami only has 91 (both on defense and offense). That means the difference in possessions every game between the two teams is a whooping 18, counting both sides of the ball. If that doesn't inflate a players numbers then I don't know what will.

The up and down style of play of Golden State allows Randolph to maximize his skill set. I think it would be a fair argument to say that he would have a much harder time on a slow paced, half court orientated team since his weakness's would be exposes a lot more (lack of range on his jump shot, post defense, etc.). If you swap the two players, I think Beasley excels in GS and Randolph wouldn't be as effective in Miami.

Overall there both having very nice rookie seasons, neither one is clearly better then the other. With that being said I still feel that Beasley has a higher upside in the future do to his scoring ability. You can only be so good if your not an elite scorer who can score over 20 points consistently. His best case scenario is a rich mans Lamar Odom where as Beasley's best case scenario is significantly higher in my opinion. I can't really think of a specific player that I could compare his best case scenario so I will compare both players "best case" season averages (or at least in my eyes) ...

Anthony Randolph: 20 RPG | 11 RPG | 4 APG | 3 BPG | 2 SPG on 49% shooting

Michael Beasley: 27 PPG | 10 RPG | 3 APG | 1.5 BPG | 1 SPG on 53% shooting

Being a legit #1 scoring option out weighs the extra blocks and steals that Randolph will surely have. I really do not see Randolph being a significantly better rebounder then Beasley is down the road, at least his rebounding upside isn't much better then Beasley's is. You can expect his rebounding to drop once he has to actually box out his man to grab rebounds and plays for a slower paced team (which will both happen once Nellie leaves).