A.Randolph vs M.Beasley

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Now the only thing you can go against is his typo?

Ya know what, you're right, now Beasley is too small to play PF??

That's more like it, now find me a smaller PF with a small wing span or a smaller standing reach... oh yeah, you cant. To bad he has no fire to make up for that lack of size.

What the hell are you talking about? You don't even watch the Heat play do you? Just stop it.

[GswStorm3]

This thread is a lost cause if anyone actually thinks they will ever convince GSW fans that Beasley > Randolph (at least this season). You see, their franchise is a mess right now. They all hate the coach. Their last big prospect is looking bustalicious (Brandan Wright). Their last great player is looking like he may never be the player he once was (Monta Ellis). Andris Biedrins isn't going to get a ton better than he is right now.

So for them, they are forced to pin all their hopes on Randolph. And if all their hopes are on Randolph, there is no way they are going to accept he'll be anything less than part KG part Magic Johnson.

One comparison thread and you've come up with this conclusion, now that's overreacting. The OP was a simple question asking who would be better long term between Randolph and Beasley. Not other issues about what's going on with the Warriors this season.

[Wade2k6]

Now the only thing you can go against is his typo?

Ya know what, you're right, now Beasley is too small to play PF??

That's more like it, now find me a smaller PF with a small wing span or a smaller standing reach... oh yeah, you cant. To bad he has no fire to make up for that lack of size.

Lol i could play the same immature games and say "OMG WHAT PF WEIGHS LESS THE RANDOLPH", but I'm not going too. Your attempts to attack Beasley fail. He has shown that his height is not a problem for him at the PF position in the NBA. So I'm not really sure where you're going with this argument.

[oaktownwarriors87]

What the hell are you talking about? You don't even watch the Heat play do you? Just stop it.

That's right, cover your ears and scream... "Just stop it, stop it, stop it"!

The truth must hurt.

[oaktownwarriors87]

Lol i could play the same immature games and say "OMG WHAT PF WEIGHS LESS THE RANDOLPH", but I'm not going too. Your attempts to attack Beasley fail. He has shown that his height is not a problem for him at the PF position in the NBA. So I'm not really sure where you're going with this argument.

Like I said, he will get stronger but Beasley wont get taller.

[some_rand]

Lol i could play the same immature games and say "OMG WHAT PF WEIGHS LESS THE RANDOLPH", but I'm not going too.

lol way to take the higher road

[NDaATL]

[he bench pressed 7 times at the combine which is good for someone that lanky. Comments like this make me question how many games people have actually seen randolgh play. and most rookie bigs are foul prone.

Bosh was lanky also. He benched more, was taller, and weighed 30 pounds more yet he STILL gets pushed around defensively in the post quite often. It is safe to say Bosh has gotten heavier and stronger in the past 6 years and he still gets pushed around. It's still one of his biggest criticisms. Randolph isn't nearly that strong or heavy.

The problems will begin to reveal themselves when he begins playing big minutes in non garbage time. As of now he's just a rookie and everyone is wowed over his skillset and potential. Trust me that will fade unless he drastically improves his weight and strength, which is a long and tough process for a lanky basketball player.

There are no successful PFs in the NBA that are under 230, and it's extremely rare that they are under 240. There's a reason for that.

[Sid the Squid]

Beasley can't rebound..Too short and unathletic..That aint changing..

Randolph is far superior in every aspect of basketball....+ he has killer desire.

[Wade2k6]

Lol i could play the same immature games and say "OMG WHAT PF WEIGHS LESS THE RANDOLPH", but I'm not going too. Your attempts to attack Beasley fail. He has shown that his height is not a problem for him at the PF position in the NBA. So I'm not really sure where you're going with this argument.

Like I said, he will get stronger but Beasley wont get taller.

I'm glad you can tell the future Oaktownwarriors (aka Nostradomus). Thanks for letting all of us know.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

What the hell are you talking about? You don't even watch the Heat play do you? Just stop it.

That's right, cover your ears and scream... "Just stop it, stop it, stop it"!

The truth must hurt.

No, my point was to stop lying. Beasley plays with plenty of fire. The point is you don't even watch the Heat (or Beasley), so you'd have no clue about this. You're just basing this off terrible rumors from draft time.

I don't know why I bother to continue replying though. You're not going to change your mind, even if statistical evidence begins to lean towards Beasley (which it has in the past 2 weeks). Nothing is going to change your mind short of Randolph getting on a motorcycle with Monta and the two of them screwing up their knees or something.

[canefandynasty]

Now the only thing you can go against is his typo?

Ya know what, you're right, now Beasley is too small to play PF??

That's more like it, now find me a smaller PF with a small wing span or a smaller standing reach... oh yeah, you cant. To bad he has no fire to make up for that lack of size.

The average PF in the NBA has a 8' 10.5" standing.

Like I said, Beasley has the length to play PF at a high level.

Randolph isn't even 200 lbs. That probably explains why he can't defend the 4 in a halfcourt setting. His defense is basically weakeide blocks.

[oaktownwarriors87]

Who here is questioning that Randolph doesn't have the length to play the PF position? He doesn't have the weight to successfully play it. He's just too damn skinny. He will easily get pushed around by anybody with any type of driving ability or low post game.

Looks like you did play that game.

Oh yeah.

45% of Randolphs shots are inside.
65.2 of those shots he makes.
7% of those shots are blocked.

31% of Beasleys shots are inside.
54.4 of those shots he makes.
17% of those shots are blocked.

Gee, What's Randolph going to do? He's just getting beaten up down there. Beaslys 17% is also 1 percent away from being second worst in the NBA...

I bet Randolphs numbers will be better when he gets stronger, and I'm sure Beasleys numbers will be better when he gets taller.

[NDaATL]

Oh yeah.

45% of Randolphs shots are inside.
65.2 of those shots he makes.
7% of those shots are blocked.

31% of Beasleys shots are inside.
54.4 of those shots he makes.
17% of those shots are blocked.

Gee, What's Randolph going to do? He's just getting beaten up down there. Beaslys 17% is also 1 percent away from being second worst in the NBA...

You do realize that Randolph's weight hindrances will be primarily seen on the defensive end, right? Considering you follow Golden State, probably not.

[richboy]

Didn't know Beasley was getting that many shots blocked.

[oaktownwarriors87]

The average PF in the NBA has a 8' 10.5" standing.

Like I said, Beasley has the length to play PF at a high level.

Randolph isn't even 200 lbs. That probably explains why he can't defend the 4 in a halfcourt setting. His defense is basically weakeide blocks.

Brand 9'2, Durant 9'2, Aldridge 9'2, Okafor 9'2.5, Bosh 9'1, Stoudemire 9'0.5, Jefferson 9'2, West 9'0.5, Boozer 9'0.5

Help me out, I have been looking for a starting PF that has a smaller standing reach but I can't find one.

[BBallFreak]

Let's get something straight here - if Randolph is 210 pounds, Beasley's 6'9". Your only source that says Randolph is 210 pounds is the same source that calls Beasley 6'9" and those are places like NBA.com and ESPN.com. So here it is, laid out in plain cold hard English - they're not lying for Beasley but telling the truth about Randolph. The size argument is over. 6'9" tall and 245 pounds is not too small for a power forward in this league. 210 pounds is too small for a full time power forward in this league. He can put on weight, but he hasn't got enough of it yet.

Second of all, if Beasley were too small to play power forward in this league, he wouldn't be playing it. His game is such that his offense would translate to the small forward position, and if he's the crappy defender some of you are insistent that he is, what difference does it make where his crap defense comes from? He would be a liability! That, my friends, is clearly not the case. He is a power forward, playing power forward, because that's his best position.

Can he play it effectively? Pretty obviously, yes he can...

[oaktownwarriors87]

You do realize that Randolph's weight hindrances will be primarily seen on the defensive end, right? Considering you follow Golden State, probably not.

When did you see that problem? Give me a real life in game example?

Skinny players get bigger, short players stay short.

[Wade2k6]

Oh yeah.

45% of Randolphs shots are inside.
65.2 of those shots he makes.
7% of those shots are blocked.

31% of Beasleys shots are inside.
54.4 of those shots he makes.
17% of those shots are blocked.

Gee, What's Randolph going to do? He's just getting beaten up down there. Beaslys 17% is also 1 percent away from being second worst in the NBA...

You do realize that Randolph's weight hindrances will be primarily seen on the defensive end, right? Considering you follow Golden State, probably not.

I was just going to post the same thing.

That's exactly why I said: "He will easily get pushed around by anybody with any type of driving ability or low post game." I guess he can't read what I said though...

[oaktownwarriors87]

Let's get something straight here - if Randolph is 210 pounds, Beasley's 6'9". Your only source that says Randolph is 210 pounds is the same source that calls Beasley 6'9" and those are places like NBA.com and ESPN.com. So here it is, laid out in plain cold hard English - they're not lying for Beasley but telling the truth about Randolph. The size argument is over. 6'9" tall and 245 pounds is not too small for a power forward in this league. 210 pounds is too small for a full time power forward in this league. He can put on weight, but he hasn't got enough of it yet.

Second of all, if Beasley were too small to play power forward in this league, he wouldn't be playing it. His game is such that his offense would translate to the small forward position, and if he's the crappy defender some of you are insistent that he is, what difference does it make where his crap defense comes from? He would be a liability! That, my friends, is clearly not the case. He is a power forward, playing power forward, because that's his best position.

Can he play it effectively? Pretty obviously, yes he can...

They measure people before the draft. Beasley was 6'7 without shoes and 6'8.25 with. He also has a standing reach which I'm pretty sure is smaller than just about any starting PF in the NBA... I'm yet to be proven worng.

[BBallFreak]

You do realize that Randolph's weight hindrances will be primarily seen on the defensive end, right? Considering you follow Golden State, probably not.

When did you see that problem? Give me a real life in game example?

Ever watch Keon Clark? But what would a Golden State fan know about defense, anyways?

Skinny players get bigger,

Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.

short players stay short.

6'9" is not short.