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Post#81 » by mnWI » Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:45 am

jgozalb wrote:Haven't those 2 played NCAA bball? I think Wall is the next Jennings, flashy, no brain, no experience.

And this is why I can tell you haven't seen Wall play. Wall has way more substance to his game than Jennings. Wall will likely go to college from what I hear (if he qualifies), and come out next year when he has NCAA experience. But he has far superior tools to Jennings at this point.

Believe me, I'm a Rubio fan. I was at his Euro-League debut. He'll be a good NBA player, and he could even end up as a better player than Wall. But Wall has impressive court-vision, he can run a team much better than you think, and the NBA game is generally played at a tempo that favors Wall.

I really don't even think this will be a discussion 2 years from now, but anything can happen. Wall was rumored to have been immature in the past, but as I just wrote in my article that will be published tomorrow, he has really matured, and the guys at Nike were raving about his leadership out in Portland.

If you want to talk about difference in half-court offenses, I can also start drawing up the plays if you really want me to. If Wall can master the floppy (and floppy to side P+R, the Horns set, and 4 out he'll be set in the NBA. It's not like there's anything too complicated in the offenses, especially compared to Europe.

Wall says he's study Chris Paul as well, which is smart. Paul is smarter and much more mature than any pg who has come into the NBA since kid. But if Wall can even learn a little bit about how Paul has his bigs change their angle or read the spacings, it would a long way for him at the next level. Paul is so intelligent with how he picks apart and defense, and his teammates respect that. When he tells the 5 man to dive and the 4 to pop because the opposing team "blue's" the side pick and roll, his teammates do it, and the result will either be an open jumper or dunk. Not to get too technical or anything. lol

I love Rubio's game, believe me, I just think Wall is on that next level up as a prospect. I could be wrong, but I'm going to stick with my instincts, as they are what land me basketball jobs.
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Re: John Wall this Year? 

Post#82 » by mnWI » Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:48 am

Let me also say that Rubio's defense blew me away when he played Maccabi as a 15 year-old, but I gotta say, Wall is an even better defender. Wall gambles too much off the ball for my liking right now, but he has a similar wing-span to Rubio, and puts ever more pressure directly on the ball. I've never seen a guard block so many jumpers either. And his motor is ridiculous.
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Post#83 » by mnWI » Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:51 am

4ho5ive wrote:I go to mnWI for my prospect/Euro/D League/GM Info so i trust him when he says Wall is a better PROSPECT. None of these guys have played in the league yet so one cant definitively say who is going to be better. I think we'd be lucky to get either of these guys.

My question is who is the better half court set PG. They are both good in the open court (edge probably going to Wall) but is Wall good in HC?

Just wait and read what I wrote in my article :) Last thoughts on this for now. Wall isn't bad in the half-court at all. Rubio is a great deal more mature with running a half-court offense right now. But Wall has great vision, shows craftiness with the ball, and can always create something for somebody. If Wall makes an effort to study the pick and roll reads with an NBA head coach, great things could happen.
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Post#84 » by jgozalb » Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:40 am

mnWI wrote:If you want to talk about difference in half-court offenses, I can also start drawing up the plays if you really want me to. If Wall can master the floppy (and floppy to side P+R, the Horns set, and 4 out he'll be set in the NBA. It's not like there's anything too complicated in the offenses, especially compared to Europe.

Wall says he's study Chris Paul as well, which is smart. Paul is smarter and much more mature than any pg who has come into the NBA since kid. But if Wall can even learn a little bit about how Paul has his bigs change their angle or read the spacings, it would a long way for him at the next level. Paul is so intelligent with how he picks apart and defense, and his teammates respect that. When he tells the 5 man to dive and the 4 to pop because the opposing team "blue's" the side pick and roll, his teammates do it, and the result will either be an open jumper or dunk. Not to get too technical or anything. lol


You have shown to know way more John Wall than I do (Youtube clips) I have nothing else to do but believe what you say about him.
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Post#85 » by deeney0 » Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:56 pm

mnWI wrote:Wall gambles too much off the ball for my liking right now


Show me a talented high schooler who doesn't. Seems par for the course.
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Post#86 » by revprodeji » Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:52 pm

mnWI wrote:Yep, and dunking on 6'2" centers and streetball moves also made Chris Paul and Derick Rose great prospects too! Great logic. FWIW, I had a very respected NBA GM tell me Wall would be one in nearly any draft. He also told me he wouldn't take Rubio number 2 this year...


Same one who said he would never draft a white player?
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Post#87 » by Mayoistooslow » Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:40 pm

[quote="john2jer"] but I don't agree with high schoolers going straight to the NBA. I think they should be able to be drafted, but forced to spend a year in the D-League where they can work with NBA coaches on their game, and also get some education on how to spend their new found millions, and not get taken to the cleaners by groupies and bad agents. quote]

This doesn't make sense AT ALL to me. If a player is ready to play in the NBA, why should he be forced into the D-league? If he's Lebron James, he has to waste a year of his career in the D-league? Doesn't make sense at all. Is the NBA hurt by the fact that KG/Kobe/Lebron skipped college and went straight from high school to the NBA? Have the fundamentals of the game been tarnished?

As far as the money aspect, there are plenty of veteran players that make poor decisions with money. Should the NBA force them to take money courses or something? This is just not a good idea, no offense.
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Post#88 » by C.lupus » Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:45 pm

Well, according to Wiretap, Wall is going to college this year. :(
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Post#89 » by Blazeman » Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:02 pm

Well, the hope of seeing Wall in the 2009 didn't last long :-?
But I think he made the right choice, he will probably be the first pick next year.
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Post#90 » by Devilzsidewalk » Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:02 pm

mnWI wrote:
Devilzsidewalk wrote:the Thunder and Wizards both have SGs playing PG though, however good they may be

Westbrook is a pg. Let's not forget, he lead the Pac 10 in assists last year over the stretch of games where Collison was injured.


I like his numbers better at SG; and if they can upgrade Watson to Rubio...unless they just don't think that highly of Rubio, but if Presti thought he was BPA when they pick, I'd be shocked if they passed on him just because they have Westbrook.
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Re: John Wall this Year? 

Post#91 » by john2jer » Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:04 pm

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john2jer wrote: but I don't agree with high schoolers going straight to the NBA. I think they should be able to be drafted, but forced to spend a year in the D-League where they can work with NBA coaches on their game, and also get some education on how to spend their new found millions, and not get taken to the cleaners by groupies and bad agents. quote]

This doesn't make sense AT ALL to me. If a player is ready to play in the NBA, why should he be forced into the D-league? If he's Lebron James, he has to waste a year of his career in the D-league? Doesn't make sense at all. Is the NBA hurt by the fact that KG/Kobe/Lebron skipped college and went straight from high school to the NBA? Have the fundamentals of the game been tarnished?

As far as the money aspect, there are plenty of veteran players that make poor decisions with money. Should the NBA force them to take money courses or something? This is just not a good idea, no offense.


Why force them to go to college for a year then? What my idea does is give legitimacy to the D-League, gets rid of the charade of kids going to college for a year, when really once it switches over to 2nd semester, a good number stop going to class anyways if they know they're coming out that year.

And yes, of course veterans make the mistake, but I'd assume they'd be a lot less likely if they had a hand in learning how to balance their finances. but sure, let's keep handing kids millions of dollars and telling them to figure it out on their own.

So basically, your idea is basically treat the NBA like it's a pick-up game at the rec center. If you can play, you can play. If not, you can't. Figure the rest of your life out on your own.

The NBA is hurt by the rep players get because they don't know how to handle their new money. It's also hurt by the overall quality of play. On the whole, fundamentals have definitely taken a huge drop. You can't judge a situation by taking the top 3 people in that situation and assume it holds true for everyone. Yes, Kobe, KG, and LeBron made it, SO EVERYONE SHOULD. You're talking about three of the most talented players ever to step into the league, and also three very bright individuals.

I'm talking about more than just caring what's on the court that night, but what happens to these guys once they're away from the arena, and after their careers are done, especially if they're cut short by injury.

This way the guys who actually want an education have the option to go get one, the guys who only care about playing basketball can get paid to play, but at the same time they're getting an education.

But hell, I hear 40 year olds make grammar mistakes, why make anyone take an English class in school? You're thinking a little short-sighted and, to be honest, selfishly.
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Re: John Wall this Year? 

Post#92 » by PeeDee » Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:18 pm

Dear Ricky Rubio,
We never stopped loving you.

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Post#93 » by john2jer » Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:22 pm

PeeDee wrote:Dear Ricky Rubio,
We never stopped loving you.

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YOU FORGOT THE "XOXOXO"!
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Post#94 » by revprodeji » Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:22 pm

I never did..:D

btw, if you look at the article on wiretap Wall says he promised his parents he would go to college. Doesnt that mean he would graduate? Or does he mean he makes a campus visit? Lots of wiggle room.
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Post#95 » by deeney0 » Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:30 pm

Yeah, it's not like you can't go back during/after NBA, either.
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Post#96 » by Devilzsidewalk » Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:46 pm

whats the point, you already have your money
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Post#97 » by Worm Guts » Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:50 pm

More educated groupies?
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Post#98 » by deeney0 » Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:59 pm

There was a story a couple weeks ago with the headline "50% of professional athletes broke 5 years after retirement" or some such large percentage. There's a Shaq quote about going back too school that is something like "At some point I have to get a real job."

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