MISSION: Re-build the Kings this off-season

[Smills91]

Obviously we have these guys under contract next year and 7.2 million in capspace if we renounce the rights to our RFA's.

C: Spencer Hawes
PF: Jason Thompson, Kenny Thomas
SF: Andres Nocioni, Donte Greene
SG: Kevin Martin, Francisco Garcia
PG: Beno Udrih

Free Agent's to consider bringing back
Bobby Jackson, Ike Diogu*, Rashad McCants*, Cedric Simmons
* RFA's - Ike (4 million), McCants (3.65 million)

Picks - Top 4, #23, #31

Examples of potential picks:
Top 4 = (Griffin, Rubio, Evans, Thabeet, Jordan Hills)
#23 = (Craig Bracking, Jrue Holiday, BJ Mullens, Terrence Williams, Eric Maynor)
#31 = (Patrick Mills, Darren Collison, Wayne Ellington, Tyler Hansbrough, Nick Calathes)

Roster after draft assuming Best Case Scenario -

C: Spencer Hawes, Jason Thompson
PF: Blake Griffin, Tyler HansbroughKenny thomas
SF: Andres Nocioni, Donte Green
SG: Kevin Martin, Francisco Garcia
PG: Beno Udrih, Jrue Holiday


Who do you sign now?

[artest420]

i may switch holliday for maynor if maynors still there.

Im going to pray that the nuggets do so bad they may trade carmelo for martin and a pick maybe. being back a billips and hamilton combo with billips and martin. Either that or hope that boozer messes up the jazz so much they think about trading williams for griffin and udrih and garcia. lets hope a team does a salary dump to save money and trades their big dollar superstar for less money. if that maricle doesnt happen i dont know how to fix the team in one year.

We need a superstar bad.

if we get griffin, i wouldnt mind signing ramond felton as our pg and try to dump udrih for anything. hes a solid pg, but i think we would have to over pay him. a sign and trade felton for udrih and the 2nd round or some other throw in would be awsome.

felton/maynor
martin/garcia
noc/greene
griffin/thompson
Hawes/thompson/fa defensive big.

(draft aminu or derozan or earl clark if they are avalible with rockets pick over maynor so solve our sf problem)

let all our FA's walk. keep bobby if he wants back, but doubtful.

[sacking78]

WE also got to include Hedo as a strong possibility free agent, I think the kings are going to go after him. Also isn't Nate Robinson s free agent, remember the kings tried to trade for him .

[perezident]

My best case scenario is:

Draft night, Kings nabb the #1. Gets Griffin. #23 BJ Mullens, #31 Toney Douglas.

Kings then trade Beno Udrih for Matt Carroll & #51 from Dallas

Kings then draft #51 Robert Dozier

Kings the renounce all of their FA's

Kings signs Ramon Sessions to a 4yr 25-35 mil contract. Signs Kevin Ollie to the vet's min.

Buy out Kenny Thomas, to save money. He'll accept because he could choose a team where he can actually play or have a chance to win a ring. Instead of being fully in the hands of our organization -- to being dealt to a team that only needs him as an expiring. And too, with bringing all those young PF/C's he'll be discouraged.

Newlineup
Hawes/Mullens
Griffin/JT
Noc/Donte/Dozier
Kmart/Garcia/Carrol
Session/Ollie/Douglas**

This would have the Kings with 2 roster spots open to fill with maybe an undrafted rookie. With all the signings and drafting in place, by just lookin at the roster we should be right at the capspace. With Noc contract decreasing, and saving money with the Beno deal and K9 being bought out we should be in good shape some what financially.

[artest420]

nate robinsons going to want big money. he isnt the answer for our pg position and would be an awful combo by martin

[sacking101]

Don't forget flynn i really like him probably over holiday

If we get the #1 pick i hope we draft griffin and flynn

If we get the #2 pick i hope for Rubio and best available with #23 and resign diogu

[RoyalCourtJestr]

This Holiday hate just doesn't make sense to me. The kid isn't expected to be a top 10 pick next season for nothing. If he's there at #23, you take him and don't look back, and this is coming from a guy who really likes Flynn and Maynor.

[artest420]

bayless was projected at #3 at one point and fell a lot. westbrook and augustine were picked ahead and are both a lot better at this point.

I think all the ranking will change a lot after the workouts start. I think westbrook was a late lottery if that before the workouts and dominated his way to 4.

Holiday just killed himself this season and needs a strong workout to get into the lottery. he still has tons of potential, but i wouldnt expect him to be doing what westbrook is doing now.

[sacking78]

Man i would love to have bayless on this team next your, the guys is going to be a stud. What do you guys think we would have to give up to acquire him next year?
That's if we draft Griffin of course.. But if we get rubio there's no need for him.. Also if we get the number 4 pick, what about trading it for bayless, or do you guys think we can get somebody better at #4 ?

[Smills91]

I for one don't think Flynn lasts to #23. I think he goes in the late teens.

Now I'm going to post my WORST case scenario of the Kings getting the #4 pick.

1) Griffin
2) Rubio
3) Harden/Thabeet
4) Sacramento - I take Tyreke Evans here for the Kings

Then at #23 - Jrue Holiday - Again this kid has some freakish potential.
#31 I'd grab Danny Green

That puts the Kings roster at:

C: Spencer Hawes,
PF: Jason Thompson, Kenny Thomas
SF: Andres Nocioni, Donte Greene
SG: Kevin Martin, Francisco Garcia, Danny Green
PG: Tyreke Evans, Beno Udrih, Jrue Holiday

Now going into the off-season -

I think I'd go ahead and keep Diogu on the roster. I'd be willing to eat the 4 million QO to retain him and his bird rights but if we could keep him on a more reasonable 1-2 million a year, obviously that's better. That's leave the Kings with roughly 3-4 million to spend in Free Agency, so we're targeting less than an MLE level player and more than a LLE player, however we can offer UP TO 5 years probably laden with ETO's and/or player options.

Someone that comes to mind would be, Chris Wilcox. Maybe offer him a 3 year deal worth 10 million bucks? I dunno.

Offer B-Jax a vet min. deal if he would like to stay on board for another year.

The Kings roster would look like:

C: Spencer Hawes, Chris Wilcox
PF: Jason Thompson, Ike Diogu, K9
SF: Andres Nocioni, Francisco Garcia, Donte Greene
SG: Kevin Martin, Bobby Jackson, Danny Green
PG: Tyreke Evans, Beno Udrih, Jrue Holiday

We'd still have K9 along with likely another lotto pick in 2010 and some youth to perhaps swing a deal for a star player by the deadline. Also, Garcia, Beno, Nocioni all have mid-range contracts to go with K9's 8 million and that'd allow the Kings some flexible pieces to bid on the Amare's, Bosh's and perhaps other disgruntled star players in next year's trade deadline.

If not, then we have another 10 million coming off the books to spend + an additional lotto pick along with the developments of our young players.

That's my WORST CASE SCENARIO, situation.

[murray]

My perfect off-season:

Draft Griffin 1st overall.
Draft Maynor 23rd overall.
Draft Montiejunas 31st overall.
Trade Thompson for a sign and trade of Marvin Williams.
Trade Nocioni to Boston for Expiring contracts and a future 1st.

pg. Beno/ Maynor
sg. Martin/ Garcia
sf. Williams/ Greene/ Montiejunas
pf. Griffin/ Montiejunas/ Greene/ K9
c. Hawes/ Montiejunas/ Griffin

Can anyone disagree with this?

[Smills91]

My perfect off-season:

Draft Griffin 1st overall.
Draft Maynor 23rd overall.
Draft Montiejunas 31st overall.
Trade Thompson for a sign and trade of Marvin Williams.
Trade Nocioni to Boston for Expiring contracts and a future 1st.

pg. Beno/ Maynor
sg. Martin/ Garcia
sf. Williams/ Greene/ Montiejunas
pf. Griffin/ Montiejunas/ Greene/ K9
c. Hawes/ Montiejunas/ Griffin

Can anyone disagree with this?

I think Thompson has shown as much if not more than Williams has in his 3 seasons. No way would I consider this. I'd just try to sign him outright at 7.2 base year, and add four more years with the increases each additional year. That would be our MAX offer, I dunno if he's worth that really, in fact that's more than Martin. So I probably would offer him that. But a 5 year 40 million dollar deal might be reasonable.

That COULD give him upwards about 56 million over 5 years. Roughly 11 million a year.

I think we could score a major free agent actually, now that I think about it.

Year 1 - 7.2 million
Year 2 - 9 million
Year 3 - 11.25
Year 4 - 14 million
Year 5 - 17.5 million

[KM44]

The thing about trading thompson for williams is that thompson becomes expendable if we get the #1 pick. I would really have to think if we traded thompson for Williams though, cause we will really need a young PG, and I would prefer evans, rubio, wall?, all of whom we could get by trading up from 23 and pairing with thompson. If we really want Williams, we should S&T nocioni and a future 1st or throw in Greene.

[Smills91]

The thing about trading thompson for williams is that thompson becomes expendable if we get the #1 pick. I would really have to think if we traded thompson for Williams though, cause we will really need a young PG, and I would prefer evans, rubio, wall?, all of whom we could get by trading up from 23 and pairing with thompson. If we really want Williams, we should S&T nocioni and a future 1st or throw in Greene.

That's NOT going to happen...

If you WANT to get Marvin, the BEST and pretty much ONLY way is to sign him to an overpaid contract and hope ATL doesn't match(which they probably wouldn't with all the other holes they have at the 1 and 5 and Joe Johnson's and Al Horford's pending FA.

IF you want Marvin and you think he can be the GO TO GUY this team needs and IS the difference maker(I don't see it really)...then offer him the 5 year 56 million dollar deal. Cuz I can't see Atlanta matching that if they have Joe Johnson and Josh Smith signed up, Horford due up next year and a hole at PG with Mike Bibby as a free agent. Logic suggests that the Hawks don't match that, and IF THEY DO..then that opens the door for Joe Johnson here next year anyway(who may very well be the BETTER fit playing the PG position.)

2010 starters

C: Hawes
PF: Griffin
SF: Nocioni
SG: Martin
PG: Joe Johnson

I think Joe Johnson has more capability of making this team GREAT than Marvin Williams does. I'm not opposed to getting him, but I think the cost whether that be contractual cost or acquisition cost(or both) is just more than he's worth.

[KM44]

Johnson- 28 in June
Williams- 23 in June

Our team isn't going to be great within the next 2-3 seasons, we can become contenders at best in 4 years, and I would rather have a guy going into his prime when we're getting good than a guy leaving his prime. Plus, Joe Johnson is in NO way a point guard.

[murray]

My perfect off-season:

Draft Griffin 1st overall.
Draft Maynor 23rd overall.
Draft Montiejunas 31st overall.
Trade Thompson for a sign and trade of Marvin Williams.
Trade Nocioni to Boston for Expiring contracts and a future 1st.

pg. Beno/ Maynor
sg. Martin/ Garcia
sf. Williams/ Greene/ Montiejunas
pf. Griffin/ Montiejunas/ Greene/ K9
c. Hawes/ Montiejunas/ Griffin

Can anyone disagree with this?

I think Thompson has shown as much if not more than Williams has in his 3 seasons. No way would I consider this. I'd just try to sign him outright at 7.2 base year, and add four more years with the increases each additional year. That would be our MAX offer, I dunno if he's worth that really, in fact that's more than Martin. So I probably would offer him that. But a 5 year 40 million dollar deal might be reasonable.

That COULD give him upwards about 56 million over 5 years. Roughly 11 million a year.

I think we could score a major free agent actually, now that I think about it.

Year 1 - 7.2 million
Year 2 - 9 million
Year 3 - 11.25
Year 4 - 14 million
Year 5 - 17.5 million

Why I suggest that is: The kings have two glaring holes heading into the future. Filling the SF hole to me seams like a much bigger need that having a solid backup player in Thompson. And to fill that hole with the best available, young player, we need to give up Thompson. The other option in this off season (if we get griffin) is to trade Thompson for a young point guard, like a Sessions or someone of higher caliber.

[Spykes]

If you don't mind an outsider taking a stab at this... Here is how I think things should shake out:

Not trying to be a downer here, but I don't expect the Kings to walk away with the #1 pick after the ping-pong balls drop. I forget what the exact statistic is, but only like 1 or 2 teams with the worst record have ended up with the #1 pick since they went to the weighted lottery system. So as nice as it is to have all those lottery balls, the odds just aren't with you guys. Just as they weren't for my Blazers in 07, just as they weren't for the Heat in 08, so on and so forth. My prediction is that you guys slide to #4. Not an encouraging prediction, but it's happened to more teams that I like to count...

On Draft Night, you guys take James Harden at #4. Then make this trade...

SAC/WAS

Rights to James Harden
Donte Greene
Kenny Thomas

for

Rights to Ricky Rubio
Deshawn Stevenson
Darius Songaila

Why?

For the Kings, they get the PG they really need. They take on an extra year of salary to do it, but it's worth it. Greene's got some nice potential, but at the end of the day, you guys don't need him and he's a price to pay to really convince the Wizards to give up Rubio.

For the Wizards, they want more immediate help. Obviously I'm assuming they end up at #2 here. Rubio has a huge ceiling, but he's gonna be a bit of a project and the Wiz are stuck with Arenas at PG, whether they like it or not. Harden can come in right away and make an impact for them at SG. They also cut some salary.

As for the Rockets pick, I'd love to see the Kings grab a C prospect of some kind, but this draft seems kinda thin of C's. I think BJ Mullens would be a solid pick if they can move a few spots up with a pick swap. He's projected to go around 20, and the Rockets pick that the Kings own is at 25. That's not a huge jump to make and trying to help a team save some money could get it done. My suggestion would be a deal like this...

UTA/SAC

#25 Pick
#31 Pick
Cash Considerations

for

#20 (BJ Mullens)

Let both Diogu and McCants walk and let Stevenson and Songaila take over their spots. Then waive the TO on Cedric Simmons. Don't spend any extra money necessary this off-season.

Resign Bobby Jackson as a player/coach. 2 years at the league minimum. He can mentor Rubio and slide into an assistant coach spot.

Now, make no mistake about it, this is not a playoff team next season, but they'll have potential that'll rival some of the best young lottery teams out there. And with one more high pick in 2010, they'll be ready to roll. Their roster next season...

Rubio/Beno/Jackson
Martin/Stevenson
Nocioni/Garcia
Thompson/Songaila
Hawes/Mullens

Sign a few guys from summer league to round out the 3rd stringers, maybe get lucky and find a diamond in the rough there.

[pillwenney]

I have no problems at all with the first trade if that's the way things shake out lotto-wise, but I'm not sure the Wiz do it. On the other hand, if we can really help them cut immediate salary instead of long term salary (so they can stay under the tax this year), I think the deal would have legs. Something like Etan Thomas and the pick swap. They wouldn't quite be under the tax next year, but they'd be a lot closer. They'd then need a team to absorb either James, Songaila or Stevenson.

I wouldn't do the second trade, and I doubt Geoff would. I don't see him taking a big outside the lottery with the first round pick. I think we'd rather take our chances in getting a good player at either one of our later picks. Geoff will find one. If he were going to trade up for somebody, it wouldn't be Mullens.

And wait, why is Portland ahead of Houston in the draft picks? Houston's pick should be 23, shouldn't it?

[SacKingZZZ]

Coach: Eddie Jordan

Draft:

First off, lets say we don't get the #1 because if we do it changes everything! So worst case we get #4.

Pick #4: James Harden
Pick #23: Austin Daye
Pick #31: Darren Collison

Free agency:

Re-sign Diogu for 3 years at 9 million with the 2nd and 3rd years being player options. If there is no real competition for Ike maybe even to a better deal.

Trades:

None yet, wait until the deadline, see what becomes available and if there are teams unloading superstars left and right do to fear of them leaving, and/or teams dumping quality players on long term deals already so they can become a player in 2010 get in on the action if it makes sense.

Lineup:

PG: Beno/Collison
SG: Martin/Harden
SF: Nocioni/Garcia/Donte
PF: Diogu/Daye
C: Hawes/Thompson

PG spot: I think Harden should see a lot of time here with Kevin sliding over to guard the opposing PG if matchups call for it because I actually liked how Muss and Theus played Kevin there the last couple of years. At worst Harden and Martin guarding the opposing PG is passable. Beno is still the starter and he fits into why Diogu starts at PF style wise, however in time I think Harden can be the PG and with running the offense and bringing the ball up won't be a problem with Kevin being able to help as well. Harden can run an offense, he did it at ASU and can do it in the pros. I also think he's a perfect fit at PG for the Princeton offense. Collison is depth and potential, especially if Beno is moved at some point.

SG spot: Kevin of course, with Harden splitting time at the 1 and the 2, with Garcia splitting time at the 1, 2, and 3.

SF spot: Nocioni is a perfect compliment to Kevin, he plays tough, rebounds, stays out of the way on offense and spot shoots from 3. Cisco, Greene, and Daye all can see minutes at the backup. Thompson should get some time here as well.

PF spot: Diogu starts, I know he only had a good couple of games, blah, blah, blah but I love Thompson playing C, and as I've said many times before due to Jasons versatility he can be a 30+ mpg player off the bench. That combined with the energy he brings is perfect for an off the bench "Ginobili" role. He may start the game on the bench but he probably finishes the game.

That and I think Beno and Diogu could run the pick and roll very well which could in turn increase Beno's production and possible trade value. One thing I noticed about the last couple of games from Ike is that he and Beno work very well together, he's the perfect compliment to Beno, plus I like having to bigs that can shoot the lights out. I'd like to see both Greene and Daye get minutes here as well.

C spot: Hawes, Hawes, and Hawes. Thompson comes in for either Ike or Hawes and all 3 play with eachother depending on matchups and how things are going.

Summation:

It's all about empty stats baby! I think the team the way it is can build up value in guys like Beno, Diogu, etc. Depending on how successful things are may even determine who stays and who goes.

[pillwenney]

Ugh...I can't believe we still have over a month until the lottery. This is brutal.