KG: Is it really official?

sam_I_am · Post #1 » by **sam_I_am** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:14 pm

I know that Doc said he is done for playoffs.....but if you listen carefully he still couches his words.

"I can't see him coming back." "He is probably done."

I have accepted that he is out but I find it strange that there is no definitive statement saying he is done. Is there an official statement from team and NBA? Is he officially scratched off playoff roster?

Is the team pessimistic but still holding out hope? Has KG himself accepted that he is done? Have the Celtics really been stringing us along as Simmons says or is KG returning a remote possibility?

I personally think he should play in ECF if he can and he has no injury - like a microfracture - that would hurt him long term. If the problem is pain and swelling but not structurally significant I hope he tries to play if we get that far. If it is wear and tear and won't get better or worse like Simmons article suggests then why not play?

Joebiscuit · Post #2 » by **Joebiscuit** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:16 pm

People are really in denial about this aren't they?

BakersDozen · Post #3 » by **BakersDozen** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:22 pm

I look at it like this. Is it possible to get hit with a snow storm in the middle of April? Sure, but chances are good it won't. KG wont be back in the playoffs. Of course I hope im wrong.

Bad-Thoma · Post #4 » by **Bad-Thoma** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:50 pm

Joebiscuit wrote:People are really in denial about this aren't they?

Kind of like being in denial all last post-season that we had a chance to win? Kind of like being in denial that our demise isn't set in stone quite yet? Don't be afraid to hope Joe, I don't think we'll see KG either but stranger things have happened, and this team isn't though quite yet. Much like last season we haven't been playing our best ball down the stretch and that's not entirely due to KG's absence, if this team can get back the focus and intensity that got them here they are still going to be a tough out for anyone. I'm sure the teams facing the C's in the playoffs are taking them a lot more seriously than you are.

sam_I_am · Post #5 » by **sam_I_am** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:03 pm

Joebiscuit wrote:People are really in denial about this aren't they?

I am not in denial.... but the team, the coach and its players still are. Why not just come out and say "He is done. We are shutting him down for the playoffs. He is definitely not playing." Houston did that with McGrady.

Paul and Ray Allen are down but they too are using words like probably in their statements. If the idea is to get your team to compete knowing he won't be there.... then just make it official. If I were a player.....I would be in denial like Paul and Ray .... and even Doc to some degree seem to be.

Joebiscuit · Post #6 » by **Joebiscuit** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:05 pm

sam_I_am wrote:
Joebiscuit wrote:People are really in denial about this aren't they?

I am not in denial. But why not just come out and say "He is done. We are shutting him down for the playoffs. He is definitely not playing." Houston did that with McGrady.

Celtics are in denail as well.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #7 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:14 pm

Joebiscuit wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:
Joebiscuit wrote:People are really in denial about this aren't they?

I am not in denial. But why not just come out and say "He is done. We are shutting him down for the playoffs. He is definitely not playing." Houston did that with McGrady.

Celtics are in denail as well.

Why are they removing nails? :lol:

Typos RULE!

Al-Haqq · Post #8 » by **Al-Haqq** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:22 pm

Well the glimer of hope lies in the fact that he "could" miss the playoffs. Moreover, he seemed "great" last week and went bad this week. Maybe he'll start looking "great" again in a week or two or few. That's an optimistic - and possibly unreasonable view of it all.

jcappy · Post #9 » by **jcappy** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:32 pm

I'm glad i'm not alone in finding this "announcement" to be very strange---the coach says a few casual words after a practice and one of the greatest nba players is proclaimed out for the long duration of the playoffs---weird indeed. An announcement should have come from the team---and made very clear as to the possibility of Garnet's playing at some point in the playoffs.

Dave_From_NB · Post #10 » by **Dave_From_NB** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:35 pm

It's not official until after a press release has been issued on how the surgery went.

Banks2Pierce · Post #11 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:39 pm

Well, it's not clear if it's something that will require surgery or not. They don't think it will require surgery at this point as far as I know.

It was something they thought would get better with rest but has taken longer than expected. This gives me some hope. The playoffs are long. If we glue him to his couch, there's a chance it could heal completely. There's a chance that he would bite Lebrons head off if he was unleashed in the ECF's. The eastern conference finals are like a month from now. It's possible, but unlikely.

Al-Haqq · Post #12 » by **Al-Haqq** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:46 pm

Even if he was to come back - his conditioning just won't be up to par.

Trade KG now!!!!!!! j/k.

ryaningf · Post #13 » by **ryaningf** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:03 pm

Well, the correct answer is: it's not official. There is some chance he'll play again. It's a small chance but it's there.

Yesterday's pronouncement by Doc wasn't for anybody except the players. Doc wanted THEM to know that THEY had better quit looking over their shoulders expecting KG to come riding in on a white horse and make everything better. It's now on their shoulders to make this thing work. Good coaching move by Doc.

Sure, there's some denial there, and there's also hope. The injury that ails KG can only get better with rest. For now, surgery is a last resort. He MIGHT feel better in two weeks, or four weeks, or six weeks, or never. There's a possibility that there is something else bothering the joint and only by going in and looking at it and clearing some debris will they be able to make it all better. Regardless, they'll do that after the season, if necessary. As it sounds now, there will be some surgery for KG in the offseason to remove some bone spurs and, I'd have to guess, they'll also take a look at see if anything else in the knee needs attention.

So, in short, it's not official till they cut him and it looks like they won't cut him till after the season. And judging from the fact that he's already attempted one comeback, and was healthy enough the first time after getting a month of rest, I don't think it's outrageous to think that after another month of rest he might just get healthy enough to give it another shot in the ECF. I don't buy the rusty or out-of-shape arguments that would preclude him not attempting a comeback even if he gets healthy. Personally, I think the emotional impact of KG's return, plus the element of surprise, would be enough to get us past Cleveland. The question then would become: what happens in the Finals. Can KG hang on that long? Who knows? But at this point I think some sort of comeback is a good possibility, assuming we stay in the playoffs long enough. This is KG we're talking about.

P.S. As a side concern, does anybody remember the procedure Hines Ward did before the Super Bowl, where they injected concentrated blood into his knee to help it heal faster? Are they any doctors out there that know if that'll work for KG?

BillessuR6 · Post #14 » by **BillessuR6** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:21 pm

This injury can get better by rest. Who knows what happens in a month. It hasn`t healed as expected but you never know...

Brooklyn Zoo · Post #15 » by **Brooklyn Zoo** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:23 pm

^^^Great post rayningf ^^^

Can we get some stem-cells already for the big ticket?

Chicity09 · Post #16 » by **Chicity09** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:15 pm

Bulls Fan Here, and I dont think for the Entire Playoffs, i just dont see it. and if you guys do end up beating us and finish in the Eastern confernce Finals than i think he will be back around that time

Good luck Boston

anorexorcism · Post #17 » by **anorexorcism** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:27 pm

Well the Bulls players don't seem to believe it. I'm happy they are not taking this injury for granted, that's good.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ba ... 2950.story

MyInsatiableOne · Post #18 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:30 pm

^Wow, a respectful post from an opposing team's fan...how novel!!! 8-)

Thanks for the kind words, man, good luck, hope we beat you in 4 but it should be good...

Cyclical · Post #19 » by **Cyclical** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:44 pm

sam_I_am wrote:Why not just come out and say "He is done. We are shutting him down for the playoffs. He is definitely not playing." Houston did that with McGrady.

Paul and Ray Allen are down but they too are using words like probably in their statements. If the idea is to get your team to compete knowing he won't be there.... then just make it official. If I were a player.....I would be in denial like Paul and Ray .... and even Doc to some degree seem to be.

I think that's a good thing, and maybe a part of Doc's strategy - let's not make it completely official, leave the door open and make the players feel like they're holding the fort until KG makes a dramatic comback in the ECF or finals. Much more sunny than knowing your leader is out and that's that. Leaves a tiny ray of hope for some players to grasp onto...

MyInsatiableOne · Post #20 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:37 pm

Good points, all. I just wish all of the "yeah he's better....oh wait, no he's not...oh yes, he is...wait..." etc we got from Danny and Doc the last month had just STOPPED. Just shut up if you have no concrete news, ok? When Simmons wrote in his latest article about how "masterfully" (his word) they handled it, I couldn't believe it (well, I could since it came from Simmons, but still...)