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If Garnett requires off-season surgery... 

Post#1 » by campybatman » Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:39 am

...what are the ramifications?



The big picture outlook for the Celtics: If Garnett needs reconstructive surgery or (I can't even type the word ... dammit) microfracture surgery, they're absolutely screwed. Garnett's three-year, $56.5 million extension doesn't kick in until next season. For the 2011-12 season that might not happen if there's a lockout, he's owed ... (gulp) ... $21.2 million. The Celtics took great pains to structure player contracts so that Ray Allen's deal ($18.7 million) expired after the 2009-10 season, Pierce's ($21.5M) expired after 2010-11 and KG's ($21.2M) expired after 2011-12. The thinking was, "That's our foundation, and for three straight seasons, we can either negotiate extensions or shop these guys as expiring deals." Garnett's knee, if damaged, throws that plan out the window. Even this summer, with the cap going down and Garnett's future in jeopardy, the team now has to overpay to keep Davis -- whose play improved markedly over the past three months -- and also needs to ink Rajon Rondo to an extension. They're looking at a payroll of more than $80 million in 2009-10 (and a luxury tax penalty of $12 million, plus all the tax money they'd miss out on) if they want to keep this season's team intact. Yikes.


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Re: If Garnett requires off-season surgery... 

Post#2 » by Avalanche » Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:06 am

no idea which fool wrote this but they have gone completely overboard

the current injury, a tendon strain heals naturally, no surgery required... its just taken an abnormal amount of time to heal

the surgery is to heal a bone spur, something common, and not tooooo bad (compared to reco's and microfractures)

this is bad timing, more than career threatening
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Re: If Garnett requires off-season surgery... 

Post#3 » by contract » Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:57 am

Even this summer, with the cap going down and Garnett's future in jeopardy, the team now has to overpay to keep Davis --

Seriously ... don't do it. You can't saddle yourselves with big contracts for mediocre players.
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Re: If Garnett requires off-season surgery... 

Post#4 » by Ed Pinkney » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:36 am

That article seems to imply it is not just a tendon strain and there is something seriously wrong with his knee.
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Post#5 » by Jammer » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:55 am

From today's Boston Globe:

By Stephen Smith
Globe Staff / April 17, 2009
Kevin Garnett, the warrior hero of the champion Boston Celtics, appears destined to watch this year's playoffs from the sideline, hobbled by a balky right knee that has kept him off the court for most of the past two months, the team revealed yesterday.

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The disclosure, emerging after the team had previously minimized the severity of the injury, raised as many questions as it answered - most prominently, what is the extent of the power forward's injury?

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"He's out for the playoffs? Goodbye, Boston," said Dr. Nicholas DiNubile, an orthopedic surgeon who previously was team orthopedist for the Philadelphia 76ers.

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Celtics coach Doc Rivers said yesterday that as he watched Garnett struggle through a workout at the team's practice facility in Waltham, the veteran player's knee appeared swollen and locked. Consequently, the coach said, one-third of his star trio will miss the Celtics' first-round series against the Chicago Bulls, and the team expects that, in all likelihood, Garnett will be absent from further postseason play if the team advances.

"It's not official that he's out for the entire playoffs, but it's official as far as I'm concerned," Rivers said yesterday. "I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it."

The coach described the injury as a strain to the popliteus tendon, which sits at the back of the knee, on the outside, and bisects the big joint that is the knee's fulcrum.

Garnett will probably have off-season surgery to remove a bone spur from the knee, Rivers said, but it's the tendon that is keeping him from playing.

But DiNubile said Garnett's symptoms and the projected length of his recovery do not seem consistent with the diagnosis. Instead, another orthopedic specialist speculated that the star player may be suffering from something more severe: damaged cartilage, perhaps, or a floating chip that might be lodged in a recess of the tendon.

"I'd say it's not likely" that it's a damaged popliteus tendon, said Dr. Riley Williams, the New Jersey Nets' team physician and an orthopedic surgeon at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York. "It's such an unusual diagnosis. It seldom occurs in isolation."

"He's probably having a meniscus tear they're probably not seeing," DiNubile said, referring to the cartilage that acts like a shock absorber in the knee. "I can tell you it's not a strained tendon. A strained tendon would not give you the swelling and the ongoing symptoms. That's not a strained popliteus tendon."


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'It's not official that he's out for the entire playoffs, but it's official as far as I'm concerned,' Doc Rivers said.
If the injury is something more severe - cartilage damage, for example - Garnett could be facing surgery requiring six months to recover, or even longer.

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It was Feb. 19, in a game against the Utah Jazz in Salt Lake City, when Garnett reported pain in his right knee while jumping for a lob pass. After tumbling briefly to the court, he hopped on his left foot to the locker room. He was diagnosed with a strained knee.

The next day, Ainge said Garnett was expected to be out three to four weeks. When the day of Garnett's anticipated return arrived, March 15, Rivers said Garnett would accompany the team on its next road trip. Garnett returned to play five days later, appearing for 17 minutes in a win at San Antonio. He played in just three more games.

For patients with strains of the popliteus tendon, treatment typically consists of rest, ice, and physical therapy, said Dr. Helene Feiler, an orthopedic surgeon at Excel Orthopedic Specialists in Woburn. Most people with that type of tendon injury recover within two to six weeks, she said.

"So I would have expected him to have improved, if not recovered" by now, said Feiler, who trained at New England Baptist Hospital, home base of the Celtics' medical team.

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It's also conceivable, another orthopedic surgeon said, that the reported diagnosis of a strained popliteus tendon only partially characterizes the full extent of the damage.

Dr. John Trey Green, chief of sports medicine at the University of Washington in Seattle, said that when specialists encounter a strained popliteus tendon, it is usually in conjunction with something else that has sustained damage.

"It may be, in fact, that he had another injury in addition that is on the hush-hush. Perhaps he's got more," Green said.

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The article continues, but I didn't post all of it.

This is what a few of us posters have been saying for a while,
in the face of quite a bit of harassment.

When KG's "bone spur" is removed, expect to see an announcement along the lines of
while the doctors were at it, they removed some loose cartilage
(which can obstruct a knee just like gunk in a door hinge)
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Re: If Garnett requires off-season surgery... 

Post#6 » by campybatman » Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:25 pm

I don't think Ainge will overpay for Davis if another team makes an offer. How Davis steps up... Could determine his market this off-season.
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Post#7 » by Avalanche » Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:27 pm

just as i started to get some hope up i read that... the unfortunate part is that it makes sense... ****!!!
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Re: If Garnett requires off-season surgery... 

Post#8 » by MyInsatiableOne » Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:36 pm

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Even this summer, with the cap going down and Garnett's future in jeopardy, the team now has to overpay to keep Davis --

Seriously ... don't do it. You can't saddle yourselves with big contracts for mediocre players.


Agreed. It'd be much better to find a cheap replacement and dump Davis. He's not *THAT* good that he requires overpaying for just to keep him...
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Re: If Garnett requires off-season surgery... 

Post#9 » by campybatman » Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:52 pm

Hmmm... Fan article not hot about Ainge. Sounds to me as if this person's pissed... And when a person's upset over recent bad news. They'll begin to question things that happened in the past. The thing is: Most fans understood that Ainge sacrificed young players for a chance to compete for a NBA championship right away. Obviously, the additions of Ray Allen and Garnett were expected to reap short term success. However, the way in which each of the three star Celtic players have their contracts expiring one after other other. Fans saw that Ainge whether by design or coincidence has managed to set the roster up for short term success and still establishing wiggle room with the salary cap in the immediate future. In terms of young players to help toward the retool of the roster with. The jury's still out on rookies Walker and Giddens and one could assume that Davis and Pruitt won't prove t be mainstays.

The author of this article is entitled to his/her opinion. However, let's not get ahead of ourselves. What's clear is that Garnett, Pierce, Rondo and Perkins are the core. The futures of Ray and Scalabrine are still not yet clear. I believe Powe needs to be resigned to an extension. He's the kind of role player that good teams have or would want to have. Where things become the most interesting is how Ainge goes about deciding on the rest of roster--who goes, who stays and who might sign elsewhere. For me the decisions aren't really hard. With Garnett locked up and Pierce entrenched as a Celtic. It'll be imperative to extend Rondo longterm. And Perkins you've for a couple more years that you can decide on an extension for him later. Therefore, I say, you stick with Powe, Walker and Giddens (need to see what you've in him). Everyone else are expendable. But, it's next year that Ainge must make the ultimate decision on Ray Allen's expiring contract which can hold things up. That is, does Ray's expiring contract help improve or impair your future efforts in free agency and what have you. I've said before that I'll like to keep Ray but this feeling remains inside me that Ray might be the last card up Ainge's sleeve that he can play. Because other players on the bench can either walk or haven't yet done enough to improve their stock in trade value. For example, I think Davis' worth is higher on Boston than on another team right now.



Once he acquired Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett, everyone seemed to forget all of Ainge's past failures, and of course all was forgiven after the Celtics won a championship.

Now, as they enter the playoff sans their injured superstar Garnett, it is becoming painfully obvious that Ainge isn't all that he's cracked up to be, and that he is still the same mediocre GM that he has always been.

Am I blaming him for Kevin Garnett's injury? Of course not. Should the Celtics (or any team, for that matter) be expected to compete for a championship without their best player? Certainly not.

However, when you look at the team and their outlook for the future, it's clear that Ainge has sacrificed the future for temporary gain, and it is really starting to cost the Celtics.



The Celtics, even if they had KG healthy for the playoffs, wouldn't even be the favorites in the Eastern Conference this year. Cleveland has improved, and the Celtics have dropped off a bit from last year, even when they're playing their best. The Lakers in the West have also improved with the addition of Andrew Bynum, who was hurt almost all of last year, and throughout the playoffs. The Celtics' window is closing quickly, and there's a great chance that next year, Orlando and others could pass them in the East, and there's really nothing they can do.

Eddie House, Leon Powe and Glen Davis could all be gone after the season. The next season, Ray Allen and Tony Allen could be moving on. Even after those potential departures, the Celtics won't have the money to replace them with equal talent, and if they decide to keep them, they'll have to pay them more to stay. They would be better off letting guys like Ray Allen leave anyway, since he's already getting older, as are the other two thirds of the Big 3.

This team has one shot left to win another championship, and that's next year. After that, the future is not bright at all for the Celtics, and there's really no reason to believe that Danny Ainge will be able to take another rabbit out of his hat and magically rebuild the team once again through the ineptitude of another GM.


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Post#10 » by MyInsatiableOne » Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:59 pm

bonsai, how is Ray not part of the core??? :o
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Post#11 » by campybatman » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:26 pm

MyInsatiableOne wrote:bonsai, how is Ray not part of the core??? :o



Please read my post again. Especially, the second paragraph. I was pretty clear... By the way, I'm not saying Ray can't be a part of the core. I omitted his name for the sake of my point which you would see by rereading the post.

Garnett is under contract. Pierce is under contract, but isn't going anywhere soon. Rondo will likely receive an offer of an extension. Whether or not he'll elect to sign it is up to him or what can be worked out in a deal between he, agent and Ainge. Perkins is under contract. Ray Allen and Scalabrine are soon-to-be expiring contracts. Again, what isn't clear in my point?
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Post#12 » by MyInsatiableOne » Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:44 pm

I know Ray's contract is up 1st, but to not consider him as part of the core seems a little silly...
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Post#13 » by Banks2Pierce » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:30 pm

To criticize Ainge for failures before last season is just ridiculously stupid. That article got my blood boiling.

"and there's really no reason to believe that Danny Ainge will be able to take another rabbit out of his hat and magically rebuild the team once again through the ineptitude of another GM."

He might have been inept before, but the trade made was not inept. It was by far the best offer out there and anyone who argues against that has no clue about basketball. Players of great quality are available all the time in the nba. It comes down to "who has the best chips available" and Boston had themeselves in position to get 2 HOF's in the same offseason. That is no coincidence.

Idiots piss me off.
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Post#14 » by Al-Haqq » Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:04 pm

Bill Simmons is the writer.
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Post#15 » by Rocky5000 » Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:16 pm

They either need to get a few different opinions from the sound of things or come out with the full story so that we know what is going on.
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Post#16 » by Hemingway » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:25 pm

In a few years we will be in a great position to rebuild. Having recent success and a few superstars in their twilight is better than years of failure and questionable prospects. I just don't buy this argument, made at the start of the big 3 era, that we would have a 3 year window and then some how be doomed. I think there are some out there who early on decided they did not like Ainge and after the trades that brought us success couldn't bring themselves to change their opinion of him so they have adopted an unrealistic idea of the near future.
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Post#17 » by MyInsatiableOne » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:28 pm

No kidding...this "3 and done" mentality was invented by the **** stupid national media and is believed by so many fans...
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Post#18 » by campybatman » Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:32 pm

MyInsatiableOne wrote:I know Ray's contract is up 1st, but to not consider him as part of the core seems a little silly...



I disagree... Ray's future as a Celtic is still up in the air. No one knows for sure what's going on in Ainge's head. All I'm saying is that Ainge might not have a choice here. He might have to trade Ray. So, I'm saying... Consider that... Think about it: Pierce I believe has an early termination clause in his contract where he can opt out after next season. I think it's safe to say that Pierce won't exercise that option. What other team can he get back that exact salary? Nowhere but Boston if he doesn't opt out. All of the years on Garnett's contract are guaranteed. Therefore, that leave you with Ray's expiring contract as the lone large salary that you can create some flexibility from. Believe me, Ray's one of my favorite players on a short NBA list. But, business is business. I'm not a NBA player and I understand that truth.
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Post#19 » by MyInsatiableOne » Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:39 pm

If we trade Ray and KG sits a year with a long rehab, welcome back to 2006-07...
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Post#20 » by campybatman » Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:44 pm

But, remember the increase in TV ratings when Boston fans thought we'd a serious chance of winning the NBA draft lottery or at worst get the second pick. So, it wouldn't be all bad. No, seriously... I know... But, this still will be the biggest story (Ray's expiring contract) going into next season assuming that Garnett's "OK" by then.

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