ImageImageImage

Will KG pull a Willis Reed move

Moderators: bisme37, Froob, Darthlukey, Shak_Celts, Parliament10, canman1971, shackles10, snowman

Joebiscuit
Banned User
Posts: 3,814
And1: 1
Joined: Aug 18, 2005

Re: Will KG pull a Willis Reed move 

Post#21 » by Joebiscuit » Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:22 am

BeanTownBrawler wrote:I agree there's something fishy going on

Lets look at the facts

We have ZERO video of KG workouts
There have been no media interviews with KG himself regarding the injury
The given quotes have not ruled out the possibility of him playing

We definitely would have heard from an inside source about what was really going on if they werent trying to keep something under wraps. Bill Simmons wrote in his column that he couldnt get in touch with anyone in the organization about the matter. Something is going on here


All this leads me to believe that KG has a serious injury which we will not hear about until the celtics season is over.
User avatar
BeanTownBrawler
Veteran
Posts: 2,659
And1: 121
Joined: Sep 20, 2003
Location: BOSTON

Re: Will KG pull a Willis Reed move 

Post#22 » by BeanTownBrawler » Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:26 am

Joebiscuit wrote:
BeanTownBrawler wrote:I agree there's something fishy going on

Lets look at the facts

We have ZERO video of KG workouts
There have been no media interviews with KG himself regarding the injury
The given quotes have not ruled out the possibility of him playing

We definitely would have heard from an inside source about what was really going on if they werent trying to keep something under wraps. Bill Simmons wrote in his column that he couldnt get in touch with anyone in the organization about the matter. Something is going on here


All this leads me to believe that KG has a serious injury which we will not hear about until the celtics season is over.


Yea basically its either really good or really bad
"I have conflicted feelings right now. I mean its great and all, and no way I'd change it, but does anyone else kinda feel that we got luckier than we deserved to get? It almost feels like we're the benefactor of some NBA conspiracy."
User avatar
canman1971
Senior Mod - Celtics
Senior Mod - Celtics
Posts: 14,949
And1: 8,991
Joined: May 13, 2003
Location: 18 Championship BLVD
       

Re: Will KG pull a Willis Reed move 

Post#23 » by canman1971 » Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:33 am

I am pretty much done with the whole KG injury issue. I there is something wrong, tell us and let it go. They have strung their fans along for whatever reason and it is really annoying. It is not a ploy to "fake" out teams or "psyche" them out for the playoffs. The only rational thing it could be is for ticket sales, which is pretty lame as they would sell out every game anyway. As of today, Garnett is not playing and I am fine with that. I will watch this team and root for them as much as any year. I will not lower my expectations for them; I will not accept anything less than a title. Will I be disappointed? Maybe, but I don't care. I am not that impressed with the rest of the NBA as much as some of the national nuthuggers, so call me a homer, whatever. As Skid Row said in 1989, 18 and Life baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
User avatar
GreenMachine
Head Coach
Posts: 6,416
And1: 998
Joined: Jun 05, 2003

Re: Will KG pull a Willis Reed move 

Post#24 » by GreenMachine » Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:55 am

I don't think they strung anyone along. Injuries are funny sometimes. You get better THEN YOU REGRESS. It Happens.

THE GOOD NEWS IS - Doc and the Cs have No Clue if he will play or not. Doc said himself that "two weeks ago he looked great" now, not so much. So... who knows what it will be two weeks from now. No One. And that is the last I will say about KG til we dispose of the Bulls.
User avatar
BeanTownBrawler
Veteran
Posts: 2,659
And1: 121
Joined: Sep 20, 2003
Location: BOSTON

Re: Will KG pull a Willis Reed move 

Post#25 » by BeanTownBrawler » Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:14 am

GreenMachine wrote:I don't think they strung anyone along. Injuries are funny sometimes. You get better THEN YOU REGRESS. It Happens.

THE GOOD NEWS IS - Doc and the Cs have No Clue if he will play or not. Doc said himself that "two weeks ago he looked great" now, not so much. So... who knows what it will be two weeks from now. No One. And that is the last I will say about KG til we dispose of the Bulls.


wisdom
"I have conflicted feelings right now. I mean its great and all, and no way I'd change it, but does anyone else kinda feel that we got luckier than we deserved to get? It almost feels like we're the benefactor of some NBA conspiracy."
User avatar
Barry Lird
Junior
Posts: 314
And1: 0
Joined: Sep 20, 2007

Re: Will KG pull a Willis Reed move 

Post#26 » by Barry Lird » Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:30 am

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him later in the playoffs. He came back for those 4 games (or however many it was) and looked pretty damned good to me.

They keep saying that there's nothing structurally wrong with his knee. Make it seem as though it's all about pain. Just saying, I'll not be surprised to see him give it another go after a couple more weeks.
User avatar
Dirty Water
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,785
And1: 9
Joined: Jan 29, 2005
Location: The future

Re: Will KG pull a Willis Reed move 

Post#27 » by Dirty Water » Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:54 am

Sever82 wrote:I see a Paul PIerce for KG this year. I honestly feel the injury is BS. The way they came out and said he was unavailable was BS. Even the bulls dont believe it, there's an article on the Suntimes saying that the bulls are still game planing as if Garnett is playing because they dont buy it. If Garnet plays and its on some Willis Reed type stuff, then man this franchise is a joke. I dont know of any franchise that fakes injuries just to be the center of attention. I honestly feel KG will play, he'll probably play off the bench but look for him to come with 5 minutes left in the first, mark my words.


I do agree this whole thing is a bit fishy. It went from will make the last week of the season ---> down to will make the last 2 games ----> down to the last game -----> down to to miss the last game. Now all of a sudden the WHOLE playoffs? Something weird is going on. My gut feeling IS that he will just miss the first round and Doc wants to play an underdog role to get his players hyped up. Then in the second round he'll re-appear. Let's keep in mind this is the SAME injury from end to end --- meaning he at least felt good enough to play a few games in late march/early april. The injury status just seems fishy to me, that's all. Am I prepared to not see KG at all this playoffs? Yes. Am I skeptical that he will miss every single playoff game? Yes. If it's that serious then why isn't there talk of surgery? The Finals would be in June. We know for a fact he's unavailable for a series in June? Seems kind of suspicious to me.
User avatar
Al-Haqq
Starter
Posts: 2,136
And1: 1
Joined: May 30, 2007

Re: Will KG pull a Willis Reed move 

Post#28 » by Al-Haqq » Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:46 pm

A tall glass of 1 percent

Image

WALTHAM, Mass -- "One percent."

That was the answer that came out of Doc Rivers' mouth early Friday afternoon, the number the coach of the Boston Celtics pegged to the possibility of Kevin Garnett's returning to play in this postseason.

Anyone with a fully functioning brain learned before kindergarten that there's a big difference between zero and one, and there's a generation of basketball fans that grew up knowing there's a big difference between what the Celtics will publicly acknowledge and what they'll privately do to gain an edge. In the old days, that meant turning up the heat in the visitors locker room or ensuring only cold water flowed from the showers.

But given that franchise history, it was not all that astonishing Friday to awake and read the news out of Chicago that the Bulls are not believing any of this business that Garnett is being shut down for the entire playoffs, which was the pronouncement Rivers made Thursday and continued to repeat Friday -- albeit with that "1 percent" hedge thrown in at the end.

"I wouldn't buy it, either, but they'll find out on their own. I hope they're preparing for Kevin; that would be terrific because that would be a waste of time," Rivers said. "We're not playing games, we just don't think it's going to happen. But if it happens, listen, I'm all for it. It would be the best news of the day, but just the length [of time] that it's taken, to where he's at now, it doesn't seem like he will."

Garnett needs surgery on his knee to remove a bone spur that the Celtics claim is unrelated to the strained popliteus tendon that is causing his current pain. In fact, Rivers said, Garnett has known since the preseason that he'd need offseason surgery to remove the spur.

So if they're really shutting him down, why not go ahead and do the bone spur surgery now, have a look-see at the tendons and cartilage, and fix whatever needs fixing? There's no shortage of world-class surgeons and hospitals in Boston, and it's not as though Garnett is going to have to wait at the back of the line leading to the operating room. And if they go in there and find something they weren't expecting, the extra two months of recovery time will serve the Celtics well heading into next season, correct?

Correct.

Problem is, taking out the scalpel takes away any chance that Garnett might make a comeback, two, four or six weeks from now (Rivers noted that the recovery time for the bone spur surgery lasts longer than the two-month postseason). The Celtics have tried getting Garnett to heal through exercise and other rehab techniques, and now they're ordering him to cease all physical activity, take a seat at the end of the bench and wave a towel if he feels like doing so.

If rest does the trick, who knows?

"Let's put it this way, the other way hasn't worked," Rivers said before adding that if the medical staff "says he can play, he can play. They also say right now he can't, and they don't think there's a chance."

Glen Davis will replace Garnett in the starting lineup, with Rivers believing his outside game is a better complement than Leon Powe's to Kendrick Perkins' inside game. Powe will be the backup 4, with Mikki Moore the backup center. Additional relief along the front line will not come until Game 3, which is the earliest Brian Scalabrine can return from post-concussion syndrome.

The Celtics defeated the Bulls in two of their three regular-season meetings, but both of those came before Chicago acquired John Salmons, Brad Miller and Tim Thomas at the trade deadline, and the Bulls won a subsequent matchup in which Garnett was sidelined.

Rivers said the coaching staff was pleased with the team's defensive effort over the final five to 10 games of the season, and he was generally optimistic regarding his team's chances of advancing despite the fact the Celtics are going to miss the emotional intensity of their defensive leader.

"It may heal, and we're going to make a long run -- I believe that. But I don't think he'll be a part of it," Rivers said.

It was that type of statement, lacking in absolute finality, that stuck in one's head to such a degree that ESPN colleague Rachel Nichols and myself approached Doc afterward and cautioned that we don't want to mislead anyone or give anyone false hopes, yet we still couldn't get past the fact that immediate surgery has been ruled out as an option.

And until that scalpel slices Garnett's skin, anything is possible, right?

"That's fair to say," Rivers replied.

So, then, what are the chances that Garnett will put on the green and white again this postseason? It's a question that needed to be asked, and it was.

"One percent. I don't know. Maybe 10 percent," Rivers said.

Huh?

Big difference between one and 10, Doc.

"OK. One percent," Rivers said.

And with that, the statement that Garnett is "out" for the entirety of the postseason became measurably less absolute.

There are 17 championship banners hanging at the practice facility (replicas are hung from the rafters at the new Garden, and the originals are displayed here -- the 1965 banner is covered in splatters and stains, and the '63 banner strangely has not yellowed nearly as much as the '62, '64, '65, '66 and '68 banners), and there is a long-held belief that subterfuge and shenanigans helped compile that collection. So it is both natural and advisable to mistrust the Celtics because you never truly know what they'll have up their sleeve on any given game day -- which is why we'll keep that "1 percent" quote in mind for as long as the Celtics stay alive.

After all, one ain't none.

And as long as the chances of Garnett's returning remain anywhere north of absolute zero, we're not counting him as 100 percent out.
User avatar
kmgarnett21
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,868
And1: 398
Joined: Jun 17, 2005
       

Re: Will KG pull a Willis Reed move 

Post#29 » by kmgarnett21 » Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:03 pm

Why not compare KG to willis reed?

I HOPE and have been praying every night he somehow comes back sometime, but I'm tryin to be realistic and have dim hopes for this year's playoffs. Hopefully he can get healthy and everyone next season stays healthy and we win another one next season b/c I think next year is the last shot we have. Our window is closing, fast.
User avatar
cold5
Veteran
Posts: 2,664
And1: 116
Joined: Jul 12, 2007

Re: Will KG pull a Willis Reed move 

Post#30 » by cold5 » Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:34 pm

We're not faking this injury. KG is really hurt and will definitely miss all of this first round. However with that said it seems that everyone is really super cautious about him too. We really don't have an idea of what will happen. Doc probably overestimated his ability to play and now is underestimating it. It's looking bad right now but I wouldn't be surprised that if he comes back late god willing. Can I ask a question without being hounded? (1), why wasn't the full extent of this injury known (at least to the media) about a week ago?, (2) was KG looking bad and tired in practice all that caused Doc to come and do this, (3) how did doc think KG looked good 1 or 2 weeks ago?
User avatar
GreenMachine
Head Coach
Posts: 6,416
And1: 998
Joined: Jun 05, 2003

Re: Will KG pull a Willis Reed move 

Post#31 » by GreenMachine » Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:47 pm

I'm not picking on anyone in particular... but ALL OF YOU.

Have you never had an injury. Sometime you start to get better, and then you REGRESS. IT HAPPENS.

"how did doc think KG looked good 1 or 2 weeks ago?"

Maybe because he DID look better 2 weeks ago. Then regressed. 2 weeks from now... he could be on the court, or he could never play again. We just don't know.
Rocky5000
Analyst
Posts: 3,386
And1: 0
Joined: Jan 15, 2008

Re: Will KG pull a Willis Reed move 

Post#32 » by Rocky5000 » Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:51 pm

I think its also better for the team to not be expecting kg to come back. If they think he' scoming back they might hold back and think kg will be able to show up and save them.
meatball sub
RealGM
Posts: 29,748
And1: 11,228
Joined: May 28, 2004
Location: in your mouth

Re: Will KG pull a Willis Reed move 

Post#33 » by meatball sub » Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:53 pm

I think if we get past Orlando (I'm not worried about the Bulls) KG will be there for game 1 against Cleveland. I do believe that he's injured, but I don't believe anyone will be able to keep him off the court if it really is *just* a knee strain. If there is no structural damage or any need for surgery during the offseason, then I'd be shocked if we don't see KG at least try to give it a go deeper into the playoffs.

Return to Boston Celtics