Cap Space for next year?

$mooth · Post #1 » by **$mooth** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:43 am

i was wondering how much cap space the kings are going to have going into the offseason and after they re-sign their players and after they sign their picks.
so basically how much money will they have to sign free agents?

Post #2 » by **pillwenney** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:52 am

Basically about 7millionish, assuming we don't try to re-sign any of our FAs.

cdt3 · Post #3 » by **cdt3** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:48 am

My guess is they might re-sign Diogu for about $4mil (Gooden would have cost near $8) who adds to the core. They may also trade KTexpiring this summer for a $8mil player.

SacKingZZZ · Post #4 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:21 pm

Haha, no way do they re-sign Diogu for 4 million. Depending on the draft they may look to bring him back but I am positive they wouldn't spend that kind of money on him. Speaking of Gooden, look at him, he had a dominant game and then the next day or so he was waived!

SacKingZZZ · Post #5 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:55 am

I change my mind, bring back Ike for whatever it takes!!!! Hahaha.

darkadun · Post #6 » by **darkadun** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:51 pm

lol..yeah I wouldn't mind having him come off the bench for us. But if we get Blake, no real point. We'd need a good backup center to fill in for Hawes. Not sure Ike could play center all the time..

SacKingZZZ · Post #7 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:24 pm

Yeah if we don't get number 1 bring him back!

Smills91 · Post #8 » by **Smills91** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:23 am

IF the Kings renounce the rights to Ike and McCants. Then we'll have roughly 7.2 million. Ike makes 3.95 and McCants ~2.65. I really don't see McCants coming back, and I dunno if Ike does either.

deNIEd · Post #9 » by **deNIEd** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:11 am

Again, if we sign ANYONE we will no longer have cap space for a max free agent next summer.

Although players like 'Bron, Wade, Bosh are unrealistic to sign, a player like Joe Johnson is completely in the range of possibilities.

J. Johnson, K. Martin, _______, B. Griffin, S. Hawes
__________,__________,________,J. Thompson,_____

VeeJay24 · Post #10 » by **VeeJay24** » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:13 pm

deNIEd wrote:Again, if we sign ANYONE we will no longer have cap space for a max free agent next summer.

Although players like 'Bron, Wade, Bosh are unrealistic to sign, a player like Joe Johnson is completely in the range of possibilities.

J. Johnson, K. Martin, _______, B. Griffin, S. Hawes
__________,__________,________,J. Thompson,_____

How about a player like Sessions?

deNIEd · Post #11 » by **deNIEd** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:27 am

Thing is, with Nocioni, Beno, and Garcia on this team, if we sign a guy like Sessions we won't have the money for a guy like Joe Johnson.

If we resign McCants, Diogu, or ANY FA to a deal longer than 1 year this summer, we won't have money for a Joe Johnson, Wade, Lebron, Bosh, etc. etc etc.

It's pretty much quantity or quality....and lately...since our decline...we've been choosing quantity over quality.

Post #12 » by **KF10** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:42 am

I really want Joe Johnson in a Kings uniform. His deal is up in 2010. Knowing the Hawks management, they will likely be screwed over by contract situations.

deNIEd · Post #13 » by **deNIEd** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:32 am

kingsfan10 wrote:I really want Joe Johnson in a Kings uniform. His deal is up in 2010. Knowing the Hawks management, they will likely be screwed over by contract situations.

Any player we sign we will have to overpay for (relative to NY or LA), however some players are simply unrealistic cause everyone will overpay to get them (Lebron, Wade, CP3...)

However, Atlanta has cheap owners, if we throw a max front loaded contract at JJ, we have a verrry good shot at grabbing him.

Now, I'm going to be extremely optimistic for a moment, and say we draft Blake Griffin. Let's say we improve and end up with a pick 5-9 range next year.

PG: J. Johnson/Petrie Vet Signing (Barry, Jackson, Jimmy Jackson, House, etc., etc. etc.)
SG: K. Martin/Petrie Vet Signing
SF: '10 Pick/D. Greene
PF: B. Griffin/J. Thompson
C : S. Hawes/'09 Pick

Now, of course we would have to get lucky and have all the players pan out, but if they do, that could be a legitimate threat.

Big three down low in Griffin/Thompson/Hawes (about 33-35 minutes each)
Perimeter scoring in Johnson and Martin
Clutch outside shot from Johnson

SacKingZZZ · Post #14 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:11 am

If Joe Johnson is the only realistic hope we have at playing the free agency game, I say skip it, and go another route. Has to be trade or draft.

deNIEd · Post #15 » by **deNIEd** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:13 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:If Joe Johnson is the only realistic hope we have at playing the free agency game, I say skip it, and go another route. Has to be trade or draft.

You're right, cause in the past 5 years we've totally been able to trade for an allstar...
or draft one...
or sign one......

Smills91 · Post #16 » by **Smills91** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:51 am

deNIEd wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:If Joe Johnson is the only realistic hope we have at playing the free agency game, I say skip it, and go another route. Has to be trade or draft.

You're right, cause in the past 5 years we've totally been able to trade for an allstar...
or draft one...
or sign one......

No but we haven't had the pieces that typically go for an all-star either = excess draft picks, promising young talents, expiring contracts, even instant cap relief.

We have those pieces now.

How about Etan Thomas/Washington lotto pick for Washington pick.

We move up in the draft and take on Etan's contract for 1 year(hey we gotta get up to 13 contracts somehow)

Washington shed off 6.5 million dollars next season and gets near the projected lux tax threshold while only moving DOWN in the draft.

darkadun · Post #17 » by **darkadun** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:57 pm

hmmm...so smills, your thinking we use ths salary space we have to take on etan's contract to get a extra lottery pick?

If we'd be under the salary cap, I'd do it. If we could get Griffin and Rubio, or Rubio and DeRozan, etc...that'd be pretty sweet.

Sacramento_King · Post #18 » by **Sacramento_King** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:58 pm

Smills91 wrote:How about Etan Thomas/Washington lotto pick for Washington pick.

I'm sure the Kings would love that deal but why would Washington do it? Drop down about 19 spots to move an ending contract. I hear you preach about the value of KT's contract being an expiring and Gasol type deals that could be had so wouldn't the same thought process apply to Washington. Hell, you've proposed Harden and KT for Bosh AND a 10' 1st round pick. Realistically, Songalia and Stevenson would have to be the contracts they take back.

Post #19 » by **KF10** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:48 pm

Yeah, I think Joe Johnson is our actual and legit route for us considering all the factors. For some reason, I just like our chances nabbing him.

SacKingZZZ · Post #20 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:04 pm

deNIEd wrote:
SacKingZZZ wrote:If Joe Johnson is the only realistic hope we have at playing the free agency game, I say skip it, and go another route. Has to be trade or draft.

You're right, cause in the past 5 years we've totally been able to trade for an allstar...
or draft one...
or sign one......

No, it's about putting all your eggs in one basket and playing the percentages. If our one and only legit chance and nabbing a free agent lies with one individual, let alone a player probably around the bottom rung if not lower than the "superstar" plateau, we're in trouble. It would be much wiser to go another route, and that means building up a backlog of assets that will give you the opportunity to determine the moves you make. At this point it's looking less and less like that will be a one step process via free agency.